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GI: Inkopolis In Splatoon 2 Is Drowning Out Hate With Trans-Positivity
- Thread starter WrenchNinja
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Trans positivity is great! The issue is is some ignorant people cant see that and feel happy for others whose lives have no negative effects on their own and decide the obvious solution to this is to spam hateful shit. The spammers of the bad stuff are the big issue, not the trans positivity.
One day we'll reach a point where such trans positivity will not be needed and itll be inherently implied by an accepting society, but for now trans people are not accepted and positivity like this should be encouraged.
One day we'll reach a point where such trans positivity will not be needed and itll be inherently implied by an accepting society, but for now trans people are not accepted and positivity like this should be encouraged.
I think it's actually fantatic that a wave of support and pride can be expressed and wash out the initial hate. Showing inclusivity and acceptance is wonderful thing, especially considering the typical state of online game community and discourse. There are LGBT kids playing this game too, after all. There's still a lot of actual, real life places in America where being open is simply not an option.
I'm curious about all the people bothered by it. If it really is an issue, all you really need to do is wait. It'll probably go back to art posts and memes within a week or two. Making a stink about it just kinda makes you look self-centered. Let them have this time.
Yeah, he can say he doesn't care all he wants, but the fact that he liked a message mocking the concept and then starting whining about the most benign post imaginable makes it pretty clear that he's talking out of his ass. One wonders how many dumb "two genders" jokes he's passed by without a second thought before he got all bothered by the sudden LGBT support..
I'm curious about all the people bothered by it. If it really is an issue, all you really need to do is wait. It'll probably go back to art posts and memes within a week or two. Making a stink about it just kinda makes you look self-centered. Let them have this time.
Yeah, he can say he doesn't care all he wants, but the fact that he liked a message mocking the concept and then starting whining about the most benign post imaginable makes it pretty clear that he's talking out of his ass. One wonders how many dumb "two genders" jokes he's passed by without a second thought before he got all bothered by the sudden LGBT support..
and you can't see how that's not a topic for a place for six-year old's?
When did I say it made me uncomfortable or that it's taboo for children? I don't think either of those things. I desperately hope you quoted the wrong guy because the fact that I've spent this thread mostly fending off claims of being secretly transphobic when I've repeatedly stated that it's the drowning out of normal posts that I have a problem with is very depressing.
NO FOR FUCKS SAKE IT DOESNT MATTER HOW OLD THEY ARE, TRANS PEOPLE EXIST
what the hell is your problem
SuperBlank
Member
You're equating the necessity of political discourse between a extremist political rally and resulting counterprotest with an apolitical video game...
But to answer your question, first because is if something is completely apolitical I don't generally desire politics infused in it from any direction and second because if I hadn't people would've assumed I was solely targeting the pro-trans posts.
I normally skip the town square(Inkopolis) and go straight into the modes I want, so I couldn't care less what people do with their doddle bubble.
However, if I was to choose between people spreading hate of any form, and people spreading positivity, even ignoring the cause of all this, I would definitely choose the latter. It's important to remember that the positivity was a response to the hate messages.
When the good guys keep quiet, it doesn't send the message that these hateful people are wrong, it reinforces their view that they are in the majority, when they already spend their time in their hateful echo chamber most of their day, it is twice as important to make sure that they are reminded that they are in the minority, that we do not welcome their disgusting views and opinions. Or do we need more tiki torches burnt before we can finally learn that we shouldn't just ignore hate?
However, if I was to choose between people spreading hate of any form, and people spreading positivity, even ignoring the cause of all this, I would definitely choose the latter. It's important to remember that the positivity was a response to the hate messages.
When the good guys keep quiet, it doesn't send the message that these hateful people are wrong, it reinforces their view that they are in the majority, when they already spend their time in their hateful echo chamber most of their day, it is twice as important to make sure that they are reminded that they are in the minority, that we do not welcome their disgusting views and opinions. Or do we need more tiki torches burnt before we can finally learn that we shouldn't just ignore hate?
CheesecakeRecipe
Stormy Grey
Yes! A lot of complaints over trans pride (and gay pride - basically anything that deviates from the 'gender binary' and their own heteronormative comfort zones) use "I just want to play my game" or "I just want to live my life without all of this" as qualifiers for their opinions. Which is funny, because that's all LGBTQ people want to do right now, too. You want the issue to go away? Help push for equality so they can live their lives just as freely and without consequence as you do. Simple as that.
"Think of the children!" is a very tired excuse that has lost a lot of validity over the years as we've come to understand that children are smarter than they were given credit for by previous generations. What's the issue with them learning about what other people are? The earlier they can be exposed to these concepts in a positive fashion, the sooner some may come to understand that they, too, are LGBTQ, and save themselves years of pointless suffering.
Ban Puncher
Member
If you like a post, give it a 'Yeah!'.
If you do not like a post, report it and it will disappear from your square and in-game.
If you do not like a post, report it and it will disappear from your square and in-game.
Or those who aren't can hopefully learn at an early age to be accepting of those who are LGBTQ.
Kids are pretty accepting of the idea of gay and trans individual, even if they're initially unfamiliar with it. I mean, there are kids out there with gay or trans parents. Do you think their life is filled with bafflement and confusion?
Kids might not be educated, but they're not dumb. Being gay or being trans isn't some super-complex concept that people think it is. It took my parents about 10 seconds to tell me what gay meant, and I had no issue understanding it.
SuperBlank
Member
It certainly is when it's posted in a place filled with contentious debate surrounding that very issue my friend. But I guess we can just disagree on the matter.
And as for the second part, nowhere in that quote did I say they were stopping me from playing. Read again I suppose. I know you want to villainize me, but I don't have any issue with trans people playing Splatoon. The more the merrier. I just don't care about reading trans-related posts in Inkopolis. I also wouldn't care if someone were to discuss the current state of the economy, international relations between countries or the topic of immigration, etc.
Just because there is hate speech being posted doesn't make it a debate. LGBT is not a political stance, unless you consider opposition to any kind of inequality a political stance. Comparing it to those political issues like you do is straight up insane.
Tosh. The world is a place filled with contentious debate surrounding my very existence. This does not mean expressing pride in who I am is an "opinion" or a "stance".
You do not need me to explain to you that saying "I just want to play the game, but <x>" implies that <x> is impacting your ability to do so, and you very well know it. Else you can feel free to rephrase that, because of course it comes across that way.
starchild excalibur
Member
SuperBlank
Member
I consider any issue that is being politicized as related to politics.
Unless you guys just plug your ears any time a societal or LGBT-related question is asked of a politician. It's pretty inane to suggest the two exist devoid of each other.
But you're right, it's not really a debate. It's more people just shouting their view of things.
Saying you respect trans people is 'shouting your view of things', and is the same as what the bigots are posting? What?
both sides!
I wonder how Nintendo of America reacts whenever NoJ sends them a feature outline for a game that includes a social feature that allows a bit of expression in a game
Whenever you have an open forum to post stuff, you're inviting shitlords to be shitty, and for some reason the density just seems thicker on this side of the ocean.
I'm kinda surprised they allow as much freedom as they do, considering how some games handle things. The Souls series still uses that pre-fab message system.
Whenever you have an open forum to post stuff, you're inviting shitlords to be shitty, and for some reason the density just seems thicker on this side of the ocean.
I'm kinda surprised they allow as much freedom as they do, considering how some games handle things. The Souls series still uses that pre-fab message system.
A Link to the Past
Banned
It's no more a debate than it was when people were advocating for the humanity of black people during the Civil Rights era.
Garrett Hawke
Member
this one got me cus it's so true
Pfft, it's politics tho.
My squid is gay and there's nothing anyone can do about it.
Garrett Hawke
Member
the secret is
theyre all gay.
I think the way Switch handles regions he only has to change his country settings on the console but probably everything will be in japanese.
Does reporting things hurt the posters though? I dont want people to get banned or punished just because I'm trying to escape from reality when I play video games. I actually do want to report all non art or meme posts cuz I just wanna see pretty pictures lol, but I don't wanna screw people over cuz they tryin go against hate ya know what I mean?
----EDIT----- More info on why I say what I say.
My issue is that I unfortunately immediately think of all the bad joo joo that's been happening when I see these kinda posts. My train of thought kinda goes like this:
1. See trans related post (postive or hateful)
2. Think of trans ban
3. Think of general hate thats been going around
4. Think "Hate has risen cuz of GOP n shit"
5. GOP = Trump
6. I get bad vibes
This is the reason i dont wanna see these kinda posts. I admit its just me being very overtly anxious, but that's something that's out of my control for a number of reasons which I don't expect other posts to know, but thats more reason not to arbitrarily throw labels like "bigot" around when someone doesn't like what you like.
I hope this explanation gives some posters in here some insight as to why I or others don't wanna see these kinds of posts, and would rather prefer the pretty pictures that were being drawn by various artists a while ago.
These topics are just stressful cuz they can remind you of a lot of negative stuff. It doesn't automatically make you a bigot, sexist, racists or w/e. Jumping to those kinds of conclusions just because someone doesn't like something you like is pretty hateful imo.
---EDIT 2---
Also for those taking issue with the "children argument" let me put it this way. If I were a dad, and had a 6year old child, I dont wan't my kid asking me about gender yet. They are 6. I shouldn't have to have a sex talk with them yet. They can be w/e gender they want to be, but at the age of 6 its not something I want to have a talk about yet, and it's not something they should have to even think about. If they are 10 or 11 sure. If they come asking me what trans mean then I'll gladly explain everything, and tell them they can be w/e they want to be and love whoever they want to love. I'll tell em the whole shebang, but again...at the age of 6 or so they should just enjoy playing games, learning basic math, playing with friends etc.
I am not saying that because of this others should not be allowed to post this stuff. Anyone can post anything as long as Nintendo is chill with it. All I'm saying is that this is the reason why some bring up kids as an argument, and it is certainly a valid reason not to like these posts in splatoon. Let me be clear, it is not a reason to censor these posts (There is no reason to censor these pro trans posts), but it is a valid reason as to why they don't like the posts. It doesn't mean they are a bigot.
How else would they be so stylish tbh
D.Lo
Member
No, Splatoon has a specifically Japanese region version.
Games can be played across regions, we still get Japanese players in Australia.
Puberty and starts at around eight to nine years. There's special hormone therapy to delay puberty for about ten year olds so they can delayand try out which gender they want to ago adopt when others start becoming teenagers.
It's literally childrens topic and you can't assume consent with the parents to talk about it with children anyway.
titiklabingapat
Member
You equating it to being both sides being the same is exactly the problem.
It's not both sides. Never has, never will.
Being trans and being proud of it being reduced to 'its just politics' is just a convenient reductionism.
No idea, but that's the risk they took when they posted their 1-bit memes.
You certainly wouldn't want to learn the opinion of an anti-gay Christian activist about your parents.
Which still would be a valid christian opinion (afaik?) and if Nintendo allows expressing the one they invite the other, meaning putting children in the midst of a culture clash with no positive side because they don't act on sexual stereotypes yet anyway.
Yeah, I know. Still bums me out, I think there would have been potential there.
I would bring my Switch with me more often, to be honest.
SuperBlank
Member
Yes to the first. People in Inkopolis are shouting their viewpoints. Would you prefer the word posting? Or saying? Because regardless of the verb, it's still their POV on the topic.
And it's the same in how it's being posted, sure. The content and message is obviously different.
If you go back to my post you'll see "but I just want to play the game" was in reference to me getting anything out of the trans posts, which I don't, like I've said, not being somehow prohibited to still play the game because of them.
It's impacting my ability to get anything extra from the messages, not impacting my ability to play the game. Read again.
Well, not when it comes to Splatoon, because again... what's happening in Inkopolis isn't really a debate. But in general I agree.
A Link to the Past
Banned
This is the kind of logic people use to argue that being gay or trans should be a crime. Exposure to pro-trans rhetoric does not harm children.
Wrong. The only "problem" is hate speech.
There's absolutely nothing wrong with making Inkopolis what players want it to be. That's the entire point.
Seriously dude, just....walk away from the keyboard and stop. You're only digging yourself deeper.
This.
I don't get you at all? What is deemed normal post in splatoon? Funny pics etc? If you want to see those why not you make something and post and if it's fresh enough it will catch on. Don't blame others if what you post is not fresh enough
KratosEnergyDrink
Member
Why?