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MMA |OT2| - Thread of Athletes, Fighters, Personalities, and Sports Entertainment
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TheKaeptain
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Chamber said:
No should ever listen to French Hip-Hop.
dream
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TheNatural
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tass0 said:
That's total horseshit, Fedor has not beaten any top 10 Heavyweights since 2005. I don't give a jack fuck what the rankings said *at the time* - the fact they've all been fighting in trash organizations with clusters of 4, 5 fight losing slumps shows they weren't top 10 heavyweights.
JDS beat Werdum, something Fedor couldn't do. They both beat Fedor's two best opponents in Big Nog and Cro Cop, not in their primes, but they can't help that. And it's not like they're all decrepit either, so that's no excuse, Nog and Fedor are 34, and Cro Cop is 36 - the same age as Anderson Silva. And all still way younger than Dan Henderson.
Lost in all this is they're not even that old, but Nog has done mediocre against UFC competition, Cro Cop has been destroyed by it, and Fedor got his ass kicked by two guys that Dana didn't even think were worth keeping around in the UFC.
TheKaeptain
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Tony Parker is a disgrace to my last name.
CaptYamato said:
Something we can finally agree on.
But it's impossible to discuss Fedor on the internet rationally, you have die hard supporters on one side, and the haters on the other. Just leave it be. There is no reason to continually beat a dead horse into the ground.
Sinatar said:
You don't even want to see the thread if I was trolling. I'm saving the good stuff for UFC 137. GSP fanboys are so vindictive.
TheNatural said:
They're in the rankings for a reason.
Let's say JDS beats Velasquez, then Cain goes on a losing streak and leaves the Top 10.
Would you consider Cain a Top 10 win for JDS? Of course you would.
I don't see how this is any diffrent.
And Andrei Arlovski was ranked #2, the second best in the world, coming off a 5 fight winning streak (three UFC, two outside UFC) when Fedor KO'd him.
But hey, that win totally doesn't count as Top 10, even though he was #2, because Fedor cracked his chin and he loses all the time now lol.
TheKaeptain
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yacobod said:
We also agree that GSP has the best doubles and singles in MMA.
Can we make a pact to set each other to ignore during that card?
TheNatural
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tass0 said:
If Cain goes on a losing streak and ends up fighting in some gym in Hawaii against some dude off some local McDonald's employee, yes I wouldn't consider it a top 10 win. The fact that they not only lost, the fact that most of the fighters lost on their way out of the UFC, and ended up for some small ass local promotions shows how bad they were. Mark Hunt has a fucking losing record and the guy was putting that as a top 10 win, WTF?
TheKaeptain
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There is a chance that Diaz is going to get his ass beat big time or he lands a lucky punch.
CaptYamato said:
1. sure.
2. after 7 or 8 years on here, i've never had anyone on ignore. why start now? i'm not going to let a french canadian with a propensity for shooting for takedowns in the opening moments of a round, ruin my enjoyment of discussing mma with my peers. don't let my dissenting opinion ruin the circle jerk in a few months
TheKaeptain
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And if Rampage wins I will be getting kicked off of SD because the trolling is going to be insane.
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tass0 said:
He got his ass handed to him twice by Tim Sylvia, and then stepped down in competition after that. His last UFC win was over almighty Jake O 'Brien. He did what any fighter does getting handled and dropped down in competition. Then after Fedor, he lost 3 more in a row and KO'ed twice.
Rankings are just opinions, they mean jack shit, you use them as some sort of validation that the guy was awesome when he fought Fedor, and then magically just sucked afterwards.
i'd just like to repeat something from the OP again:
Just give the Fedor thing a rest. He's in the legends section where he belongs. He's no longer relevant. If he wins a few fights in a row over good competition, or joins the UFC and cleans house we can revisit things. The guy was wildly entertaining in his heyday in Pride. Even if you dislike his competition since the Pride fallout, he's given the fans some cool moments. The Arlovski knockout was a thing of beauty. I mean look at those souless eyes, and tell me that's not beautiful.
The way he timed the punch on the flying knee was awesome. If Machida didn't violently knockout Rashad, I think the Fedor/Arlovski KO would have been my favorite of the past few years, but the Rashad KO face was priceless.
He also dispatched tim sylvia like he was fucking zuluhino within 30 seconds, which was awesome. It's hasn't been all that bad. Losing to bigfoot silva is nothing to be ashamed of. Antonio is going to be a top heavyweight in the ufc. And lets stop talking about Dan Henderson like he's a welterweight. Dan said himself that he would prefer to fight at 205 now. He can't get back down to 185 now that he's pumped up on TRT.
Just give it a rest dude. You can disregard the quality of anyone's competition with hindsight. I did it for GSP's last 5 or 6 opponents in this thread. I was going purely by wins and losses after their match, so you can't even argue with those numbers.
And people can always question the quality of competition that Anderson has faced, but the fact is that he KOs or submits the guys that they line up in front of him. That's all you can ask for.
The sport is still relatively in it's infancy to get all crazy about legacies. People are talking like there is a 100 year history to draw from like boxing, baseball, or football.
yacobod said:
Just give the Fedor thing a rest. He's in the legends section where he belongs. He's no longer relevant. If he wins a few fights in a row over good competition, or joins the UFC and cleans house we can revisit things. The guy was wildly entertaining in his heyday in Pride. Even if you dislike his competition since the Pride fallout, he's given the fans some cool moments. The Arlovski knockout was a thing of beauty. I mean look at those souless eyes, and tell me that's not beautiful.
The way he timed the punch on the flying knee was awesome. If Machida didn't violently knockout Rashad, I think the Fedor/Arlovski KO would have been my favorite of the past few years, but the Rashad KO face was priceless.
He also dispatched tim sylvia like he was fucking zuluhino within 30 seconds, which was awesome. It's hasn't been all that bad. Losing to bigfoot silva is nothing to be ashamed of. Antonio is going to be a top heavyweight in the ufc. And lets stop talking about Dan Henderson like he's a welterweight. Dan said himself that he would prefer to fight at 205 now. He can't get back down to 185 now that he's pumped up on TRT.
TheNatural said:
Just give it a rest dude. You can disregard the quality of anyone's competition with hindsight. I did it for GSP's last 5 or 6 opponents in this thread. I was going purely by wins and losses after their match, so you can't even argue with those numbers.
And people can always question the quality of competition that Anderson has faced, but the fact is that he KOs or submits the guys that they line up in front of him. That's all you can ask for.
The sport is still relatively in it's infancy to get all crazy about legacies. People are talking like there is a 100 year history to draw from like boxing, baseball, or football.
Chamber said:
136 + 137, SO AWESOME.
yacobud, I found a wrestler you can get excited about. 3 time state champion and all-american 155'er Justin Gaethje. Just made his pro debut a few weeks ago. Here's a sample.
TheNatural said:
But Cain is so good because he faced mighty competition such as Ben Rothwell, Denis Stojnić, Brad Morris and... Jake O'Brien.
A few of these guys got TKO/KO'd by AA, and lost to LHW's.
Cain got the title shot by beating Zombie Nog, and won it by beating a WWE superstar (who is 5-2 in MMA), so that -totally- makes Cain's legacy greater than Fedor.
Just look at how many times Cain defended his titl- .. uh wait
And he almost got KO'd by Kongo lol
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tass0 said:
Cain has never lost 3 fights in a row, and neither has JDS. When they lose 3 fights in a row, get back to me.
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TheNatural said:
Cain also hasn't won 30 fights in a row.
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CaptYamato said:
.... yet
dream said:
shane makes up for skill with steroids
AstroLad said:
well it could be a lot of things. the top of 155 is so cluttered with guys who want a crack at the title. a tournament would be the best thing, but that's not the way ufc rolls, so they are giving melvin a fight to keep active, a very winnable fight to keep him in "title contention", and the zuffa train keeps rolling. You figure Bendo, Guida, Melvin, Pettis, and w/e else are going to want title shots. If BJ ever drops back down in weight he will be a top contender as well.
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yacobod said:
I want Slampage to return so much.
TheKaeptain
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Bendo will be champ by the end of 2012 and I will fuck hate it.
CaptYamato said:
you know i used to be pretty down on him, but he really impressed me when he dismantled the ultra vanilla miller brother. and i always get a kick out of someone exhibiting actual violent ground and pound. he just put a beating on miller in the 3rd round. i still think if jackson can keep melvin away from the blow he's the next champ at 155.
i think and hope guillard can take him.CaptYamato said:
lw is funny b/c there are so many guys and yet i never even think of gray and frankie since they haven't fought anyone but each other in so damn long. i like the frankie underdog story but i seriously wonder if either guy is even top 5 at this point
i'd take guillard & bendo over either guy easily at this point.
i think you could at least make good arguments for cerrone and guida being much improved and competitive against those two.
bunch of guys below that that are up and down but talented enough that i'd say it's plausible
no way of knowing really until those guys finally rejoin the rest of the division already in progress
i think you could at least make good arguments for cerrone and guida being much improved and competitive against those two.
bunch of guys below that that are up and down but talented enough that i'd say it's plausible
no way of knowing really until those guys finally rejoin the rest of the division already in progress
sien916 said:
i can't wait to see him in the octagon as well, BUT i'm going to reserve judgement until he fights someone good. he looked very impressive against kawajiri, but i don't know how to extrapolate that into the ufc. aoki and kawajiri wouldn't even be top 20 in the ufc. the only reason they are hyped is because they fight in japan, as unpopular as my opinion is, deep down in your heart of hearts you know its true. japanese fighters typically have no success in the states, and the level of competition since pride folded is abysmal.
yacobod said:
Yeah, I find Aoki and Kawajiri to be overrated when compared to the UFC elite. That said, Gil has the tools and style to be very successful in the octagon. The idea of Gil versus someone like Edgar or Guillard might give me insomnia.
On the subject, Melendez vs. Masvidal is going to be one hell of a scrap.
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