statham
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Epic Reveals Samaritan Processing Requirements: 10x 360 at 1080p, (4.4x 360 at 720p)
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mugurumakensei
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AMD guy said the GPU for Wii U was ~1 TFlop
Chittagong
Gold Member
Shit just got real
We have now a proxy for next gen graphics in Samaritan. Wii U will be able to do Samaritan in 720P as it is over 1 TFLOPS. good lord, think of what 720 and PS4 will be able to do then
No wonder Epic is hyped!
Hype
We have now a proxy for next gen graphics in Samaritan. Wii U will be able to do Samaritan in 720P as it is over 1 TFLOPS. good lord, think of what 720 and PS4 will be able to do then
No wonder Epic is hyped!
Hype
LowEndTorque
Member
Siri huh?
Hmm, I wonder if the ipad is going to kill consoles just like smarphones have killed handhelds =p
The ipad 3 is rumored to have some pretty nice specs after all. =)
StudioTan
Hold on, friend! I'd love to share with you some swell news about the Windows 8 Metro UI! Wait, where are you going?
Assuming you had perfect eyesight on a 40" TV you would have to be sitting 5 feet or less from it to fully resolve 1080p. That's REALLY close. 7 1/2" is where you would fully resolve 720p.
The point though is not whether a 1080p image will look better than a 720p image if both had the same IQ processed applied, because it WILL given the other factors we mentioned. The question is, on a finite amount of processing power, would a 720p image with full IQ processing look better than a 1080p image with half the quality? I definitely think so.
"Like water on fish."
Death Dealer
Member
Console exclusives are too good to pass up. I couldn't imagine missing out on a next gen Souls game, if there isn't a PC release.
Something about this reveal leads me to think he could be dropping a hint. Are we to guess they know 4.4x 360 is around the Wii-U specs, and 10x is the next-xbox ? It would be great if it can handle that in 1080p/30 and Wii-U can do Samaritan at 720p or just slightly sub-HD.
That is simply not possible for several reasons. Like the size of the Wii U. And it wouldn't even be necessary. Just look at how many people here are saying they don't want the next gen in 2012 or even 2013, they are happy with 360 graphics. Nintendo will do a console for the casual again. This time for the casual that have bought an HDTV. The Wii U will be profitable for them and it will be at most $250. Why should Nintendo change what worked so great for them this gen and release a powerful console? When was the last time the most powerful console was also the market leader? Not in the last decade. Price is important. And strategy. Nintendo still believes in those short 5 year cycles whereas Sony and Microsoft prefer ten year cycles.
Oh and why would they be so shy about their performance if it was that good? Their key selling point at E3 was "you can easily port titles from 360 to Wii U".
mugurumakensei
Member
Then we still get Samaritan at 720p.
Chittagong
Gold Member
Doesn't matter really since it seems Wii U is pulling a PS2
Realtime SSS is ray tracing. At least I thought it was.
You do realize you can easily port genesis games to a PS3 right? now think on that a bit.
Very true. But if you chop out the hardware barrier it is all gravy on top. I guess the disappointment is that we are still constantly see-sawing on achieving HD quality. And we are looking at 2012 minimum to kick off the initiative.
It is just sort of odd that we are getting 1080p media from all over yet consoles still have trouble meeting the minimum HD standard. And next generation, we are now talking about "finally" achieving that standard while other media are looking at 4K.
I think you'll be disappointed. In a way, it will, because it'll mean people start putting forty million dollars into games designed to be high end, but in terms of performance, I don't see it happening.
EDIT: People talking about the WiiU, is it required to use the second screen? If that's the case, you have 720p at this level to go between both screens.
Better art, textures, and clever implementations, but those will ripple up to PC games. Compared to PC games today, I'm sure some of the stuff put out by Naughty Dog will look great.
But things are different than last generation. PC video cards have gotten bigger, hotter, and use tons of power. That's going to limit how much can go into a console. I don't think we'll see high end PC cards in consoles at release, but something 50% of say a 7950.
We can only hope!
AceBandage
Banned
No...
In case of WiiU and X720 maybe, but i holding mu hope that PS4 will be graphical beast.
If they manage to release it as one of the first devices that uses stacked chips, it has potential to blow competition away. But that ain't coming for ~2 years minimum.
Chittagong
Gold Member
Ok this poses a serious question, based on what we know of Wii U now, is it even feasible for PS4 or 720 to be 2-3x more powerful compared to Wii U?
Because if yes, that's 2.2 - 3.3 TFLOPS, more than enough for Samaritan in 1080P, and if they go 720P then we will see absolutely mental graphics.
And if no, that means that next gen starts this year and there is no reason not to go Wii U, as it will be in the same power league as PS4 and 720
In any case, Nintendo undersold Wii U horribly last E3. Just think of the EAD/Retro games you can do with a Samaritan powered console. This will be a GameCube scale jump.
Because if yes, that's 2.2 - 3.3 TFLOPS, more than enough for Samaritan in 1080P, and if they go 720P then we will see absolutely mental graphics.
And if no, that means that next gen starts this year and there is no reason not to go Wii U, as it will be in the same power league as PS4 and 720
In any case, Nintendo undersold Wii U horribly last E3. Just think of the EAD/Retro games you can do with a Samaritan powered console. This will be a GameCube scale jump.
funkystudent
Member
so are we back to talking about how many Flops the next gen consoles will have?
Ahhh yeah. I'm getting all nostalgic for 2004/05 now.
I hope we get some actually info soon. All these hints and winks and nods from developers is getting crazy.
Also I hope Epic do a better job making keeping the engine as equal as they can across platforms. I know epic and Microsoft or super close best buddies and that will probably continue next gen but it would have been nice if the playstation 3 version of Unreal had some form of Anti Aliasing. its been 6 years.... even the iPad version of Unreal has games with AA. I dont think any ps3 games using the engine ever had any.
Also hopefully UE4 looks like Samaritan. Early UE3 demos looked damn impressive with loads of dynamic lights/shadows/objects but when it finally came to release games most of that stuff demoed was ether not there or paired back considerably. I guess thats just what happens with tech demos.
Ahhh yeah. I'm getting all nostalgic for 2004/05 now.
I hope we get some actually info soon. All these hints and winks and nods from developers is getting crazy.
Also I hope Epic do a better job making keeping the engine as equal as they can across platforms. I know epic and Microsoft or super close best buddies and that will probably continue next gen but it would have been nice if the playstation 3 version of Unreal had some form of Anti Aliasing. its been 6 years.... even the iPad version of Unreal has games with AA. I dont think any ps3 games using the engine ever had any.
Also hopefully UE4 looks like Samaritan. Early UE3 demos looked damn impressive with loads of dynamic lights/shadows/objects but when it finally came to release games most of that stuff demoed was ether not there or paired back considerably. I guess thats just what happens with tech demos.
I cannot think of any current games that come close to the Samaritan demo visually. It's a huge leap above what we have now.
Sony would go bankrupt if they tried to fit a 7970 into a console in 2012-early 2013 with a 450 W PSU and some massive cube like shape to push air through it fast. It would sell at a huge loss and they're already broke.
statham
Member
like what?
perfectnight
Banned
Samaritan for next gen? I'll believe it when I see it.
Dope if true.
Dope if true.
Unfortunately, we don't have public benchmarks of the actual hardware's performance of the Wii U, so no one who isn't a developer with a final development kit can give a truly serious answer to this.
By June though, we should have leaks with enough technical detail to answer this question adequately.
LOL, the iPad 2 has about 3 Gigaflops. Xbox 360 is at 350, next gen will be at 3000. Power consumption is what is holding back mobile devices and they will never make up for that. Developers can work around the limitations to make things look pretty but it's really no competition to consoles.
Death Dealer
Member
I agree. The next gen game engines will be more efficient than the Samaritan demo. PC development has been severely hampered by the old consoles. When the new hardware hits, even if it's not any more powerful than today's high end GPUs, the games will end up looking far better than anything current PC devs have accomplished with equivalent silicon.
And I don't want Epic to dominate the franchise game engine market again next gen. I'd like to see Id put up some competition. It could only improve them both.
Phonomezer
Banned
I never doubted that the next-gen consoles would be beasts.
statham
Member
why do anyone think sony or MS will go for the beast again? MS went for it with xbox and lost a ton of money, sony went for it with PS3 and lost a ton of money, hell even 3do went for it and we saw how that went. after wii you can be successful without the beast! just make a fun system that improves on what we already got.
Is UE3 on 3DS?
If all the difference is coming out a year later, at the same price, but not having to subsidize a tablet, they'd significantly out perform it without any intention of making 'beasts'.
If all the difference is coming out a year later, at the same price, but not having to subsidize a tablet, they'd significantly out perform it without any intention of making 'beasts'.
McHuj
Member
10x improvement over the 360 (as defined by flops here) isn't a beast of a machine. It's a very upgrade, imo, but not extravagant or unrealistic.
funkystudent
Member
I think that Splinter cell launch game was running on a version of Unreal but I dont think epic officially support the platform.
statham
Member
both will be 720p beast after the COD beast @600p
Yeah, I'm pretty sure they undersold Wii U with Ghost Recon Online PC footage because people would freak out and actually want to buy the console if they knew how powerful it truly was. If Wii U was powerful they would've shown the Samaritian demo running on it instead of that flying bird in UE3 that Epic made for their presentation.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gVKMMYFbVgk
Phonomezer
Banned
We want better tech; better performance, better IQ, better physics, better lighting, better framerates, better resolutions, better AI.
Mild improvements in 2012-2014 on 2004 technology just isn't going to cut it as far as I'm concerned.
I think most of the public would agree with this sentiment, whether they realize it or not.
So hang on a second here:
Modern Warfare 3 also uses those 0.25 TFlops for rendering at 1024*600 at 60 FPS. (assuming it uses all power, which it does not, but let's pretend)
If we use his calculation down there, then the only unknown variable is calculations per pixel.
1024 * 600 * 60 * X = 0.25 * 10^12
=> X = 10^12 / 60*600*1024 = 27 126.7361
If we use that variable to render MW3 at 1080p at 60 FPS...
1920 * 1080 * 60 * 27 126.7361 = 3.375 * 10^12 => 3.4 TFlops
Can you do that? Can you say that Samaritan at 720p and 30 FPS is comparable to roughly 1.3 Modern Warfare 3s at 1080p and 60 FPS? Because that's not crazy at all.
Modern Warfare 3 also uses those 0.25 TFlops for rendering at 1024*600 at 60 FPS. (assuming it uses all power, which it does not, but let's pretend)
If we use his calculation down there, then the only unknown variable is calculations per pixel.
1024 * 600 * 60 * X = 0.25 * 10^12
=> X = 10^12 / 60*600*1024 = 27 126.7361
If we use that variable to render MW3 at 1080p at 60 FPS...
1920 * 1080 * 60 * 27 126.7361 = 3.375 * 10^12 => 3.4 TFlops
Can you do that? Can you say that Samaritan at 720p and 30 FPS is comparable to roughly 1.3 Modern Warfare 3s at 1080p and 60 FPS? Because that's not crazy at all.
Chittagong
Gold Member
Sony will have to. They have no other eaningful differentiation. Xbox has Kinect, and however horrid we think it is, casuals buy into it enough for them to be able to do a Wii U+. sony on the other hand has jack shit. No casual controller, no new media format to bail them out. The question is, can they afford it or simply bow out?
The lighting in that demo alone was incredibly impressive; like night and day compared to current gen stuff.
statham
Member
no, thats a beast that only a $500 card only can provide and is very unrealistic.
The gpu lacks the ability to use programmable shaders, since it doesn't have the correct APIs for UE3 Epic will not provide official support.
Epic didn't make that demo...and who said that was in UE3...?