Just give it a few more days. Even easyD will condemn it, you'll see.
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CBC: "Killing Nazis, fighting religious fanaticism the focus of upcoming video games"
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Just give it a few more days. Even easyD will condemn it, you'll see.
Psychoward
Banned
I'm glad I played Infinite before I got deep in to politics because I doubt I'd enjoy it as much anymore based on my vague memory of it and posts like this...
Bioshock 1 was pretty anti-Rand though so that was nice.
Bad article. Wolfenstein is just "pulp" fiction. Indiana Jones isn't a necessary reminder - Schindlers Liste is. Come on. Who'd need Wolfenstein as a reminder that Nazis are bad?
Don't understand this. Outlandish carricatures are "a good thing" now? Ok with Nazis I can understand this - because they were the pure evil. But who would need a reminder for this? But what is with russians or people from the middle-east? Do those carricatures remind us that they are all terrorists or evil?
A good reminder would be showing the atrocities that happend in the 3. Reich - things like how normal policemen volunteered without force to cleanse a ghetto and shooting hundreds of people also including children and women. I think it is common knowledge that the SS was bad.
Comicbook villains are not a reminder of anything. Neither is Wolfenstein. And if you start to add meaning to videogames - what is with CoD4 Airplay mission? Bombing on civillian houses because there is some made up scapegoat villain. Or "No russian" mission? Better start criticising this than make a shooter where you play as mass murder into something meanfull. One could also argue that turning Nazis and the Holocaust into some sort of popculture funny thing is more dangerous then helpfull.
As a german I really apreciated "Inglorious basterds". There was a controversial discussion in the media here if you could do a "pulp" movie about Nazis.
But I think what Tarantino nailed down was, that it was just not about the people who believed in the Nazi ideology and not only about the Bear-Jew , hunting Nazi-scalps or the pulp stuff.
Hans Landa was it all dooing for his career (he was no convinced Nazi at all - he is no Nazi in the movie - he is an careerist). Which did happen this way. And those career guys did often get away with it. "They were just doing what was legal then!". Fuck them. Judges who never were forced. Many made a career after that.
So this was some really great insight from an american I'd never expected in such a movie.
This added meaning to it, because it did highlight something what was even ignored often in german "sophisticated" movies about this time, althoughthe movie is entertainment at first.
Shooting Nazivillains in videogames - there is nothing to take from it. And truthfact: All Neonazis love Wolfenstein because the Nazis have developed supertech and conquered the US, the moon and whatnot.
There is nothing to take or learn from those games. They are ok, though. It's pulp. Simple fun. But don't read any meaning into them. Read a book or watch a good movie.
Let's keep Wolfenstein and Far Cry as dumb fun. Take meaning from Das Tagebuch Anne Frank, Schindlers Liste and so on. Wolfenstein is unpolitical.
Don't understand this. Outlandish carricatures are "a good thing" now? Ok with Nazis I can understand this - because they were the pure evil. But who would need a reminder for this? But what is with russians or people from the middle-east? Do those carricatures remind us that they are all terrorists or evil?
A good reminder would be showing the atrocities that happend in the 3. Reich - things like how normal policemen volunteered without force to cleanse a ghetto and shooting hundreds of people also including children and women. I think it is common knowledge that the SS was bad.
Comicbook villains are not a reminder of anything. Neither is Wolfenstein. And if you start to add meaning to videogames - what is with CoD4 Airplay mission? Bombing on civillian houses because there is some made up scapegoat villain. Or "No russian" mission? Better start criticising this than make a shooter where you play as mass murder into something meanfull. One could also argue that turning Nazis and the Holocaust into some sort of popculture funny thing is more dangerous then helpfull.
As a german I really apreciated "Inglorious basterds". There was a controversial discussion in the media here if you could do a "pulp" movie about Nazis.
But I think what Tarantino nailed down was, that it was just not about the people who believed in the Nazi ideology and not only about the Bear-Jew , hunting Nazi-scalps or the pulp stuff.
Hans Landa was it all dooing for his career (he was no convinced Nazi at all - he is no Nazi in the movie - he is an careerist). Which did happen this way. And those career guys did often get away with it. "They were just doing what was legal then!". Fuck them. Judges who never were forced. Many made a career after that.
So this was some really great insight from an american I'd never expected in such a movie.
This added meaning to it, because it did highlight something what was even ignored often in german "sophisticated" movies about this time, althoughthe movie is entertainment at first.
Shooting Nazivillains in videogames - there is nothing to take from it. And truthfact: All Neonazis love Wolfenstein because the Nazis have developed supertech and conquered the US, the moon and whatnot.
There is nothing to take or learn from those games. They are ok, though. It's pulp. Simple fun. But don't read any meaning into them. Read a book or watch a good movie.
Let's keep Wolfenstein and Far Cry as dumb fun. Take meaning from Das Tagebuch Anne Frank, Schindlers Liste and so on. Wolfenstein is unpolitical.
Chmpocalypse
Blizzard
Part of it is this, because it's clumsy at best and regressive at worst.
Part of it is that the game wasn't what was promised by a long shot, and suffers a lot for it.
davepoobond
you can't put a price on sparks
Is this from the new Mass Effect game?
AuthenticM
Member
Messofanego
Banned
Wolfenstein is plenty political, that's why its story is talked about a lot compared to other Nazi killing videogames. You're taking meaning from Inglorious Basterds because of one careerist character, but not from Wolfenstein when it depicts concentration camps? People can find meaning from videogames just like they can from a book or a movie.
What about when intimate stories from the Nazis' point of view are mentioned? Like a commander's wife being pregnant, who you have to kill. One Nazi is overworked from interrogating prisoners for sixteen hours straight and can't deal with these all-nighters.
Or how Nazi propaganda over your missions are detailed in the newspapers.
I don't think any simple Nazi killing videogame would bother detailing "deviants" like the disabled, LGBT, and other minorities being hunted down like in documents found in Wolfenstein, and how one of them talks about how mothers are encouraged to rat out their boy children for wearing makeup. Or how there's a whole forbidden lesbian relationship detailed through a side character, Annette.
Or how Blazko's patriotism is called into action as being a puppet of the man and how he looks like the racist lynching type back home.
There has been plenty of discussion about Call Of Duty's AC-130 mission, how it depicts aerial warfare as cold and calculating. So has the nuke moment. Plenty of people took meaning from these moments from Call Of Duty.
If Wolfenstein was unpolitical, none of those details would be in the first game. They wouldn't bother having KKK being buddies with the Nazis in the second game. They wouldn't invoke black panthers in the characters.
legacyzero
Banned
I'm perfectly OK with senselessly murdering hate groups in my video games. I'd like more of that pls
QuantumZebra
Member
I'm ready
Indeed.
toddhunter
Member
In before the religion stuff in FC5 is just the very first mission.
You then kill the leader which takes you into 70 hours of taking down the real threat which was ethnic drug lords using religion as a front for their drug/tower building enterprise.
You then kill the leader which takes you into 70 hours of taking down the real threat which was ethnic drug lords using religion as a front for their drug/tower building enterprise.
The Greek Freak
Member
I've never felt closer to a protagonists mindset than Mafia3.
thefragrance
Member
Theres nothing more cathartic
Hashmal_Bringer_of_Order
Member
Shooting Nazis is great and all but when it said religious extremists I assumed ISIS. It's not like ganking them is out of style.
Remember when every fps and military game villains were Islamic terrorist
Or are they still I'm out of loop
Tale as old as time.
Forerunner
Member
The New Order and The Old Blood were really good. So I'm excited for The New Colossus.
FC5 on the other hand looks meh. I'm pretty much tired of the FC gameplay loop.
Gnome Scat
Member
The CE should have came with a Nazi scalp.I only have one request for everyone gonna play these games.
Chaos2Frozen
Member
Please stay tuned for opinion pieces of "Are Nazis just misunderstood in games?"
Seductivpancakes
Member
I can't wait for the angry white supremacists to cry about Nazi's being killed in video games.
ThoseDeafMutes
Member
The gameplay being worse, the level design more linear and the plot being all over the place didn't help much either.
ThoseDeafMutes
Member
Wolfenstein II: The New Colossus [OT] So Much For The Tolerant Left
Wolfenstein II: The New Colossus [OT] The Man In Castle Wolfenstein
I have to admit, the timing was a little off in its launch date, but in light of recent events in America, Mafia III is now eerily relevant.
BoosterDuck
Banned
the more news reports and alt-right mentions this game gets the more publicity Bethesda receives for it
so keep it up 😸
so keep it up 😸
ThoseDeafMutes
Member
SarcasticRedRover
Member
It wasn't even a week ago someone was arguing that in the thread about the Charlottesville protest iirc.
Is Ubisoft publishing it in your region or what?
Killa Sasa
Member
Can't wait for inglorious basterds to be mandatory high school watching.
Fuck Nazis. It's weird that it needs to be said this is the norm, but that's people I guess
Fuck Nazis. It's weird that it needs to be said this is the norm, but that's people I guess
ThoseDeafMutes
Member
He means Far Cry, which has a crazy religious cult in the United States as the enemies.
I vote this one.
TetraGenesis
Member
This this this. A thousand times this. There is no better option.
Wolfenstein II: The New Colossus [OT] Alt-Reich
Wolfenstein II: The New Colossus [OT] Aryan Resurrection
Ditto.
I still feel wrong when i kill other people in videogames. Dunno, all the violent and military glorification of the US has created so many victims in the actual world that i can't see a lot of games/movies/Tv show as nothing but propaganda machines anymore.
Wars have no winners.
I don't know, I think Rome would disagree with you. Also the Allied Nations, General Franco, the North Vietnamese, the Chinese Communist Party...
jakonovski
Member
The new Wolfenstein is pretty good, but hailing AAA video games as politically good fills me with despair. Because they're guaranteed to be 99% intellectually vacant and anyone taking thoughts out of them will be dumber as a result.
Who would disagree? The common family whose father and sons left for the war to never return? The soldiers who killed and suffered PTSD for the rest of their lives? The people in power who could claim they governed more land that they probably never visited anyway in their lifetime?
Wars looks good to people only on history books.
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