blame space
Banned
there was a ton of old people in my showing. I hope they liked it. it was cute, they were all standing together and talking about it afterwards. remember that?
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Dunkirk |OT| You can practically see it from here...home.
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Psychoward
Banned
Also yeah this made no sense to me either, and I couldn't even tell what Mr. Something (thanks dialog mixing) said to the boys when they left thanks to the dialog mixing.
lastplayed
Member
Yeah they even had Hardy and Lowden in the back of a two seater Yak made to look like a Spitfire.
Psychoward
Banned
I don't care if you disagree with me but you could at least say why instead of quoting my wall of text and postint a low effort reaction gif.
I never even said I didn't like the movie, I just think it's not as good as it could have been, especially from the guy who brought us Memento (which was a much better example of time-altering editing) and The Prestige. It is his best movie since Inception though.
M.W.
Member
Yep, will be the best film the rest of the year, no doubt.
Jack Scofield
Member
Yeah, I was wondering about this, too. I thought the Germans didn't even know that there were people hiding in there? I get that it was target practice at first, but after awhile they were clearly trying to shoot the soldiers inside.
I almost wish that song made it into this newer film, even if it made no sense to do whatsoever.
Psychoward
Banned
Also is there a practical, real-life reason why the ships in this movie used AA guns like... once?
lastplayed
Member
I guess the screaming and shouting and banging from inside the boat kinda gave them away.
Merchandise
Member
I have tons of dumb questions I could ask. Here's a couple
When
When
lmao
When
they're pulling up the people covered in oil onto the Moon-something boat, one kid lands on his back and says a quick line - what is it? Take me home or something? IDK
When
Rylance tells the blonde pilot that "they knew where you were," who was "they?" Who was he pointing to?
lmao
M.W.
Member
Weird, huh?
Psychoward
Banned
Yeah the shouting gave it away and I wasn't confused about that, I was confused at how the Germans were shooting at them for as long as they were.
Oh also I couldn't hear a fucking word the ginger guy said before the shooting even started because of the sound mixing. Christ. 3 movies in a row with the same issue.
"they" are the soldiers whom were witnessing the dog-fighting in the sky before he got shot down.
You claim to have a good understanding of Memento (which is incredibly difficult to follow until you piece all the pieces together in the last 10 minutes) and Inception (which has it's own challenges) but you're troubled with three very simple stories, woven together a few times throughout a 90 minute war film?
Three stories.
Land. It takes place over 7 days.
Water. It takes place of 24 hours.
Air. It takes place over 60 minutes.
Like, it's so simplistic...I cant quite fathom why it was hard to follow. Everytime your saw Tom Hardy in a plane the story was picking up from the last time you saw Tom Hardy in a plane.
Every time you saw you Harry Styles you were picking up from where you left off with Harry Styles.
EXCEPT when he was aboard the boat for the 10 minutes of the film...
Land takes place over 7 days. Day 1 is the day they arrive in Dunkirk and Day 7 is the day they arrive in Woking.
DecoReturns
Member
I'm actually surprise people are having trouble with the time skips.
Nolan actually spelled it out for the audience this time at the beginning of the movie. Memento and The Prestige were much harder to follow considering it had tons of dialouge to keep up with.
Also, the critical praise isn't really hard to understand. Not gonna be everyone's cup of tea, but I think it has earned its praise
Nolan actually spelled it out for the audience this time at the beginning of the movie. Memento and The Prestige were much harder to follow considering it had tons of dialouge to keep up with.
Also, the critical praise isn't really hard to understand. Not gonna be everyone's cup of tea, but I think it has earned its praise
Merchandise
Member
Ah. Thanks.
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Anybody got a favorite shot?
the plane gliding against the backdrop of the town
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I don't see how anyone could have trouble with the time of the sea / the air, but the mole I can absolutely see. Where are those seven days? From when Tommy gets to the beach to when he gets to England it seems like at most two and a half days pass? Was Kenneth Branagh really standing on the pier for seven days?
The first scene. The soldiers running through the streets of Dunkirk in 70mm IMAX is insane. It fills the whole screen and the whizz-pops of the bullets is deafening.
DecoReturns
Member
Mine is
Hardy being taken away by the Germans. Beautiful shot and still can't see the enemies face was a nice touch
the shot of the single soldier trying to swim to home
lastplayed
Member
Probably when the three soldiers were sitting on the beach all depressed and defeated about being back on the beach again, then watching that dude just strip off and walk into the surf. I think the music helped, but man that said so much without having to say anything.
I also loved that random moment early on when George calls out that British bomber fly over (I think it was a Bristol Blenheim).
I also loved that random moment early on when George calls out that British bomber fly over (I think it was a Bristol Blenheim).
FantasticMrFoxdie
Mumber
My favorite shot was
My most memorable shot/scene that i can't get out of my head is
it's my favorite Nolan movie now too.
Jeez everything about this movie was top-tier.
Bane in the Gliding Plane. Goddamn what a good shot.
My most memorable shot/scene that i can't get out of my head is
the destroyer capsizing. That shot where everything turns sideways and everyone on board adjusting.
it's my favorite Nolan movie now too.
Jeez everything about this movie was top-tier.
Vault Dweller 111
Member
The navy people were definitely in the civilian boats.
And Rylance said he didn't want to not be captain of his own ship, or something to that effect.
"Take me home"
The people on his boat who saw him in the dogfight against the fighters and bomber.
FantasticMrFoxdie
Mumber
Also a reference to
how the Royal Air Force was hated on for not being supporting soldiers at Dunkirk.
In reality, most of the dogfights were away from the shore where the stranded soldiers could not see.. Because of that the stranded soldiers were have said to have been angry at the RAF.
that line where they say something like "Where the hell is the air force?!"
In reality, most of the dogfights were away from the shore where the stranded soldiers could not see.. Because of that the stranded soldiers were have said to have been angry at the RAF.
that line where they say something like "Where the hell is the air force?!"
YesNOnoNOYes
Member
this movie takes its time to sink into my mind long after I actually saw it :>
it's just very lovely to me :>
can't pick one single favourite scene, but there were very many pretty ones. many, many.
it's just very lovely to me :>
can't pick one single favourite scene, but there were very many pretty ones. many, many.
ronaldthump
Member
I bought the atonement book after watching the movie. It's pretty amazing
Now. Would people go ga-ga over Dunkirk if they didnt know it was a CN movie?
I was bored watching this - quite often I was like this is dull.
Primethius
Banned
Yes? What a dismissive question.
Psychoward
Banned
Huh? I never said it was hard to follow, I was referring to the dogfighting for that. I just think the time skipping was poorly done and jarring.
FutureLarking
Member
Saw this in 70MM IMAX yesterday and... I really have no idea what everyone is raving about.
For starters, it's far too clean to properly represent the realities and chaos of war. They say they're evacuating 400,000 men but everything seems so incredibly small scale you don't get a sense of that. The flotilla that comes you could be mistake for thinking there was just 20 boats. Because that's pretty much all you see on screen. A few hundred men and a few handles of boats.
Did the IMAX showing add anything extra? Not really. There wasn't any extra detail to be captured in the vast expanses of empty ocean or fairly empty beach. The soundtrack did it's best to be needlessly bombastic and tension building but the pace of the film is so slow the tension of small scenes gets dragged out for faaaaaar too long.
Quite honestly I was bored in a lot of moments, overwhelmed by the obnoxiously loud soundtrack (although they worked well for the gunfire and explosions at the start, towards the middle and the end it was just getting pointlessly loud for no reason).
The dogfights were all drawn out in my opinion, considering the lack of variety presented in them. Be forgiven for thinking they just repeated the same shots for all the variety they had.
Honestly it wasn't really what I was expecting from the trailers - and chaotic war film of evacuation. Instead it's a slower, much smaller scale film with far less action than one would assume with a lot more tension building - and a feel like if Nolan had headed more down a route of action he could have achieved something more special.
Plus, too many water shots that looked like obvious clean water tank shots, and the explosions on the beach at the start? No blood, no beach craters or scorching afterwards. Just some bodies randomly flying in the air (where no bombs actually were? unless I missed something. It made it look like landmines or something rather than stuff dropping from the sky).
It's not a bad film by any accounts, but I can't get on board with the critical acclaim it's getting. And I don't think it does the Dunkirk operations the greatest justice it could have. It was a very clean, Hollywood-ised interpretation to me.
For starters, it's far too clean to properly represent the realities and chaos of war. They say they're evacuating 400,000 men but everything seems so incredibly small scale you don't get a sense of that. The flotilla that comes you could be mistake for thinking there was just 20 boats. Because that's pretty much all you see on screen. A few hundred men and a few handles of boats.
Did the IMAX showing add anything extra? Not really. There wasn't any extra detail to be captured in the vast expanses of empty ocean or fairly empty beach. The soundtrack did it's best to be needlessly bombastic and tension building but the pace of the film is so slow the tension of small scenes gets dragged out for faaaaaar too long.
Quite honestly I was bored in a lot of moments, overwhelmed by the obnoxiously loud soundtrack (although they worked well for the gunfire and explosions at the start, towards the middle and the end it was just getting pointlessly loud for no reason).
The dogfights were all drawn out in my opinion, considering the lack of variety presented in them. Be forgiven for thinking they just repeated the same shots for all the variety they had.
Honestly it wasn't really what I was expecting from the trailers - and chaotic war film of evacuation. Instead it's a slower, much smaller scale film with far less action than one would assume with a lot more tension building - and a feel like if Nolan had headed more down a route of action he could have achieved something more special.
Plus, too many water shots that looked like obvious clean water tank shots, and the explosions on the beach at the start? No blood, no beach craters or scorching afterwards. Just some bodies randomly flying in the air (where no bombs actually were? unless I missed something. It made it look like landmines or something rather than stuff dropping from the sky).
It's not a bad film by any accounts, but I can't get on board with the critical acclaim it's getting. And I don't think it does the Dunkirk operations the greatest justice it could have. It was a very clean, Hollywood-ised interpretation to me.
Psychoward
Banned
This is a great analysis and I pretty much agree 100%. Outside of the scene with the flooding grounded ship and the french wanting to board, we never really see any range of emotions.
AuthenticM
Member
Took the words out of my mouth.
Vincent Alexander
Member
Well, it has been a few days since I saw this in IMAX, and I was hoping it would sink in and I would love it more. However, I'm still left thinking "I'll probably never watch this again." I think my number one problem is that I feel absolutely no connection with anyone in the film, and therefore I really don't care about anything that is happening to them.
ronaldthump
Member
agreed.
Nolan goes a bit too far out of his way to fetishize the 'British'-ness of all the soldiers. It borders on national parody. There's an air of romanticism and nostalgia to the whole film. Clearly, there's something about the idea of Britain as 'home' that Nolan is very drawn to.
I saw it on Sunday and I'm still thinking about different scenes, most movies I usually just forget about it the next day.
Here's a good piece with some very valid critique: https://www.theguardian.com/film/fi...-empty-christopher-nolan-dunkirk-left-me-cold
The lack of stuff on screen doesn't bother me. Time skips so much that I am quite comfortable thinking that the few seconds we saw a wave of 10 civilian ships was just a few seconds within a week of them being on the beach. Same as only having 3 spitfires flying was just for one hour during the week. We don't see the scale of the entire thing because it's presented as momentarily vignettes and flashes of info told from the three most important angles. We just see parts of the grander whole, there's no attempt to squeeze it all into one perfect photograph that represents the entire evacuation.
Vault Dweller 111
Member
Yea it was personal stories among a bigger event. I'm surprised that ruined the movie for some people.
I just think a lot of people weren't fans of what the movie was. It wasn't really similar to anything else. Which is fine. But this was definitely exactly the movie Nolan was trying to make. And he pulled off what he was trying to do beautifully imo.
I just think a lot of people weren't fans of what the movie was. It wasn't really similar to anything else. Which is fine. But this was definitely exactly the movie Nolan was trying to make. And he pulled off what he was trying to do beautifully imo.
Psychoward
Banned
The movie is called Dunkirk and even says in the opening there were 400,000 people on the beach.
Great review, as always, from Richard Brody at the New Yorker. Really summed up my feelings on the film.
'A war movie about patriotic ciphers'
"The sensory overload of ”Dunkirk" is also an anti-intellectual barrage that effaces the actual differences that were overcome with difficulty in pursuing the war—not just personal ones but also skepticism of bureaucracy, resentment of military discipline and hierarchy, social and political conflicts—the full spectrum of public discord that may have been muted in the midst of the war but that were detailed afterward by journalists, historians, and artists. (George Orwell's wartime writings also give a sense of it.) ”Dunkirk" seems, rather, like one of the self-censoring exhortations of wartime itself. Nolan's sense of memory and of history is as flattened-out and untroubled as his sense of psychology and of character."
I hate to break it to you....
'A war movie about patriotic ciphers'
"The sensory overload of ”Dunkirk" is also an anti-intellectual barrage that effaces the actual differences that were overcome with difficulty in pursuing the war—not just personal ones but also skepticism of bureaucracy, resentment of military discipline and hierarchy, social and political conflicts—the full spectrum of public discord that may have been muted in the midst of the war but that were detailed afterward by journalists, historians, and artists. (George Orwell's wartime writings also give a sense of it.) ”Dunkirk" seems, rather, like one of the self-censoring exhortations of wartime itself. Nolan's sense of memory and of history is as flattened-out and untroubled as his sense of psychology and of character."
I hate to break it to you....
Like that reviewer my fear going in was that it was an event movie like Gravity. That had to be watched in two specific formats for the true experience: IMAX 3D. This movie has a lot more going for it than Gravity in terms of stuff under the surface so I can't agree that it'll be "nothing at all" outside of the big screen. To me, that describes "best picture" winner Gravity.
The rest of that review is him telling us point-by-point what the film is. Then says it's not very good because of the things it isn't. Where are the Nazis? Where is the back story? Where are all the things that there aren't?
I don't get it.
Just for fun I looked up what he had to say on 13 Hours, the most absurdly patriotic movie I'd seen in recent years.
And while he didn't review it, he calls it "resolutely apolitical" and then tells us this one is full of bombast patriotism.
Nice one bruv.
The rest of that review is him telling us point-by-point what the film is. Then says it's not very good because of the things it isn't. Where are the Nazis? Where is the back story? Where are all the things that there aren't?
I don't get it.
Just for fun I looked up what he had to say on 13 Hours, the most absurdly patriotic movie I'd seen in recent years.
And while he didn't review it, he calls it "resolutely apolitical" and then tells us this one is full of bombast patriotism.
Nice one bruv.
Shooting the fuck out of the British soldiers from beginning to end.
In our brains. We all grow up on the story of Dunkirk. Our family members died, were captured or rescued from that beach.
Psychoward
Banned
After sleeping on it, I think my biggest issue with the movie by far isn't the movie itself but the godawful dialog volume. I should not have to use subtitles to understand peaceful conversations in a movie theater if I don't have hearing issues :/
Same issue with TDKR and Interstellar. What's going on?
Same issue with TDKR and Interstellar. What's going on?
13 Hours isn't patriotic. It's jingoistic nonsense.
Brody's argument is that 13 hours isn't 'about' anything, while Dunkirk is about the cultural British identity (as opposed to WW2, the actual events at Dunkirk, etc. etc.)
You disagree?