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I-hate-u
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(06-19-2017, 06:20 PM)
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I at least hope the character select screen is not final.
JeTmAn81
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(06-19-2017, 06:25 PM)
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I didn't like mashing when they added it to UMVC3, but I'll miss it now. It gives you something to do during hyper combo animations :/
Neonep
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(06-19-2017, 06:26 PM)
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Why does this game look like it has some weird filter over it.
Keits
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(06-19-2017, 06:31 PM)
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Originally Posted by JeTmAn81

I didn't like mashing when they added it to UMVC3, but I'll miss it now. It gives you something to do during hyper combo animations :/

You have a million things to do during your hyper combo animation in MvCi. Tag cancel and go nuts with combos or setups.
Ryce
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(06-19-2017, 06:35 PM)
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Originally Posted by Neonep

Why does this game look like it has some weird filter over it.

Because it does. Chromatic aberration ruins everything, and I don't know why devs are so in love with it.

Here's an exclusive pic from the next trailer:


So cinematic!
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Risero
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(06-19-2017, 06:36 PM)

Originally Posted by Keits

You have a million things to do during your hyper combo animation in MvCi. Tag cancel and go nuts with combos or setups.

Oh yeah I didn't even think about this. With the tag system mashing would be irrelevant anyway because you can tag in for extra damage
Dahbomb
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(06-19-2017, 06:45 PM)
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Originally Posted by Doctrine Dark

So it seems like mashing for additional damage is gone.

What's everyone's opinion on this?

Good that its gone and it defiintely does not fit into Marvel Infinite because you are actually going to be doing something during Hyper combo animations.


Alex Valle on Marvel Infinite:

https://youtu.be/GVq37fC3QN4?t=30m32s

Damn Capcom even got Papa Valle on board with the shilling!
Keits
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(06-19-2017, 06:52 PM)
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Originally Posted by Risero

Oh yeah I didn't even think about this. With the tag system mashing would be irrelevant anyway because you can tag in for extra damage

By the end of Sunday, MasterStef was ending a combo in Dante guns super, tagging in Strange, and during the super he'd set up 3 strange orbs, a full size eye of agamoto, push that at me, and teleport for 2 mixups, into a 3rd mixup if needed, which he could tag and turn into a 4th mixup.
That Dude John
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(06-19-2017, 07:00 PM)
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Originally Posted by Keits

By the end of Sunday, MasterStef was ending a combo in Dante guns super, tagging in Strange, and during the super he'd set up 3 strange orbs, a full size eye of agamoto, push that at me, and teleport for 2 mixups, into a 3rd mixup if needed, which he could tag and turn into a 4th mixup.

I kinda like this, but then again there's a part of me that doesn't like that you can get all of that set-up for a single bar.
christiankid7
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(06-19-2017, 07:00 PM)
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nearly 3 months ago would connect the file leak to the E3 build, wouldn't it? Can we assume this build is from March 27 2017?

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Dahbomb
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(06-19-2017, 07:02 PM)
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Originally Posted by That Dude John

I kinda like this, but then again there's a part of me that doesn't like that you can get all of that set-up for a single bar.

Dante's super is kinda unique like that, it's way too much of a lock down for this game, probably the highest right now.

This is why I think there is no way Dante does not see play in this game. His toolset is perfect for this kind of system.

Dormammu would be pretty strong in this game too if they just do a direct port on him. Being able to stock up spell during other character's animations is really buff. Not only that but you can use tags to do power ups in the middle of combos or neutral tags.
2n2
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(06-19-2017, 07:06 PM)
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Originally Posted by Ryce

Because it does. Chromatic aberration ruins everything, and I don't know why devs are so in love with it.

Here's an exclusive pic from the next trailer:


So cinematic!

I dunno, man. Look how much more cinematic UMvC3 could have looked:

IntelliHeath
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(06-19-2017, 07:15 PM)
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Originally Posted by christiankid7

nearly 3 months ago would connect the file leak to the E3 build, wouldn't it? Can we assume this build is from March 27 2017?

That actually make sense now since someone probably have an access to the demo database.

Originally Posted by 2n2

I dunno, man. Look how much more cinematic UMvC3 could have looked:

Yikes. Staring at the picture just hurts my eyes.
Risero
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(06-19-2017, 07:40 PM)
Have any interviewers asked about the Xmen/leak yet?
Neoxon
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(06-19-2017, 07:47 PM)
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Originally Posted by Risero

Have any interviewers asked about the Xmen/leak yet?

Past interviews asked about the X-Men, but neither Marvel or Capcom ever really directly answered the question. The closest we got was "the legacy isn't lost" from Marvel or something like that.
Risero
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(06-19-2017, 07:52 PM)

Originally Posted by Neoxon

Past interviews asked about the X-Men, but neither Marvel or Capcom ever really directly answered the question. The closest we got was "the legacy isn't lost" from Marvel or something like that.

"Yes the legacy isn't lost that's why we've cut all Xmen from the roster and refuse to acknowledge them by name in or outside the game"
DR2K
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(06-19-2017, 07:55 PM)
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Originally Posted by Neoxon

Past interviews asked about the X-Men, but neither Marvel or Capcom ever really directly answered the question. The closest we got was "the legacy isn't lost" from Marvel or something like that.

The legacy was so lost that Naughty Dog had to make a game about it.
Neoxon
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(06-19-2017, 08:34 PM)
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Originally Posted by Risero

"Yes the legacy isn't lost that's why we've cut all Xmen from the roster and refuse to acknowledge them by name in or outside the game"

It's probably a pretty shitty situation for Capcom to be stuck in. I'd imagine that TT is also having to deal with the X-Men backlash for Lego Marvel 2.
JeTmAn81
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(06-19-2017, 08:41 PM)
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Originally Posted by Keits

You have a million things to do during your hyper combo animation in MvCi. Tag cancel and go nuts with combos or setups.

Hello Mr. Keits. I guess you're right, mashing doesn't really have much of a place in MVCI. Great job with Combo Breaker, btw.
shaowebb
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(06-19-2017, 08:48 PM)
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Okay I need to know...did someone do a frames of lag test on MVCI demo or something? I'm seeing on fighting game groups on facebook all kinds of talk about 6.1 frames of lag in Marvel and I need some receipts on this or some shit. It just seems a bit early for this sorta thing to be real.
JayEH
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(06-19-2017, 08:50 PM)
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Originally Posted by shaowebb

Okay I need to know...did someone do a frames of lag test on MVCI demo or something? I'm seeing on fighting game groups on facebook all kinds of talk about 6.1 frames of lag in Marvel and I need some receipts on this or some shit. It just seems a bit early for this sorta thing to be real.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EPFCD4uVHrc
shaowebb
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(06-19-2017, 09:08 PM)
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Originally Posted by JayEH

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EPFCD4uVHrc

Oh god no. Please fucking why no. No fucking no nonononononononono....
Keits
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(06-19-2017, 09:10 PM)
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Originally Posted by JeTmAn81

Hello Mr. Keits. I guess you're right, mashing doesn't really have much of a place in MVCI. Great job with Combo Breaker, btw.

Hey there. I actually don't run Combo Breaker, I just consult and help out on site. TheHadou aka Rick Tarnation, runs that wonderful event. He was my right hand man on the UFGT series and I passed the event on to him when I stepped away to do game dev, and now he has surpassed our old events in every way.



Re: 6.1 frames of input delay. This is a pretty good number. 5 frames of input delay is as low as you can reasonably expect to get on a modern day console.

I played like 6 hours of MvCi at CEO and it felt responsive. I had no issues antiairing or blocking rather disgusting mixups.
zewone
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(06-19-2017, 09:12 PM)
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Why did they decide to make all the human characters look like Gears of War rejects?
Dahbomb
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(06-19-2017, 09:13 PM)
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Originally Posted by shaowebb

Oh god no. Please fucking why no. No fucking no nonononononononono....

It's 6.1, it's not that bad. Still better than SFV.
Doctrine Dark
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(06-19-2017, 09:14 PM)
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Sup Keits.

Overall, did you enjoy the game? Could you see yourself playing it in the future?
Dahbomb
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(06-19-2017, 09:16 PM)
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Marvel Infinite option selects:

https://youtu.be/MSfkeBbB07k
shaowebb
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(06-19-2017, 09:17 PM)
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Originally Posted by Dahbomb

It's 6.1, it's not that bad. Still better than SFV.

But KI has way more going on in its game graphically and it still only clocks in at like 4.9. Heck Skullgirls is 3.5.

Is this really as good as it can get for MVCI already considering its not even done implementing all its shader and lighting work yet (hopefully)?
paolo11
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(06-19-2017, 09:20 PM)
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Originally Posted by Dahbomb

It's 6.1, it's not that bad. Still better than SFV.

I heard SF V is 5frame lag after update. Is this true?
Dahbomb
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(06-19-2017, 09:21 PM)
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It's probably not a graphics issue as it's a console issue + game design thing to make it closer to online play.

Wouldn't be surprised if the input delay was lower on other consoles/PC.
Keits
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(06-19-2017, 09:22 PM)
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Originally Posted by Doctrine Dark

Sup Keits.

Overall, did you enjoy the game? Could you see yourself playing it in the future?

I had a great time with it. Fun is really all that matters to me for the purchase, so I'm getting it for sure. Where it goes down the road, who can say? I'll play until I'm not having fun anymore.

I'm not sure if I'll ever compete again, in anything, though I did have very competitive matches with some very strong players at CEO that made me feel pretty good about how much I've grown as a player even after I stopped competing 4-ish years ago.
Karsticles
(06-19-2017, 09:23 PM)
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Originally Posted by Keits

Hey there. I actually don't run Combo Breaker, I just consult and help out on site. TheHadou aka Rick Tarnation, runs that wonderful event. He was my right hand man on the UFGT series and I passed the event on to him when I stepped away to do game dev, and now he has surpassed our old events in every way.



Re: 6.1 frames of input delay. This is a pretty good number. 5 frames of input delay is as low as you can reasonably expect to get on a modern day console.

I played like 6 hours of MvCi at CEO and it felt responsive. I had no issues antiairing or blocking rather disgusting mixups.

Grats on getting a Steam release of KI. I have been wanting to play for years, and now I get to. KI has more attractive zoners than most games. I usually have trouble deciding between the lesser of lames, not the greatest of goods.
direct_quote
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(06-19-2017, 09:24 PM)
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Originally Posted by Dahbomb

It's probably not a graphics issue as it's a console issue + game design thing to make it closer to online play.

Wouldn't be surprised if the input delay was lower on other consoles/PC.

Well some netcode adds input lag on top of normal input lag to reduce rollbacks. Injustice does this without allowing user to choose how much extra input lag to add. Could be SFV wants to have parity between online and offline.. I think Tekken on PC is 6.2f..
shaowebb
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(06-19-2017, 09:25 PM)
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Originally Posted by paolo11

I heard SF V is 5frame lag after update. Is this true?

No clue. I remember when Skullgirls made a joke ascendhigher mode about the improved 6.5 frames though . Made Skullgirls play at 6.5 frames instead of its 3.5
kusanagi1777
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(06-19-2017, 09:31 PM)
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Originally Posted by paolo11

I heard SF V is 5frame lag after update. Is this true?

There's two people that I know that regularly test input lag in fighting games one is https://twitter.com/noodalls/status/843664351126929408 and the other is display lag https://displaylag.com/video-game-input-lag-database/ both have it around 6 or below.
Skab
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(06-19-2017, 09:57 PM)
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Do these input tests really mean much considering how old the build is?
lucebuce12
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(06-19-2017, 09:58 PM)
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Originally Posted by Skab

Do these input tests really mean much considering how old the build is?

Most likely not.
Risero
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(06-19-2017, 09:58 PM)
How many frames of lag does umvc3 have?
lucebuce12
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(06-19-2017, 10:00 PM)
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4.6 - 4.7 frames on X360. I remember it being .1 or .2 higher on the X1.

6.0 - 6.1 frames on PS4.

EDIT: Here's a source. https://displaylag.com/video-game-input-lag-database/
Dahbomb
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(06-19-2017, 10:01 PM)
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Originally Posted by Risero

How many frames of lag does umvc3 have?

360 - 4.6
PS4 - 6.1
XB1 - 4.8
Mr. Smiley
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(06-19-2017, 10:03 PM)
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whups
Neoxon
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(06-19-2017, 10:15 PM)
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Originally Posted by paolo11

I heard SF V is 5frame lag after update. Is this true?

Some say 6.5 frames, some say 5.3 (more or less).
Turbanator
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(06-19-2017, 10:28 PM)
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Originally Posted by christiankid7

nearly 3 months ago would connect the file leak to the E3 build, wouldn't it? Can we assume this build is from March 27 2017?

As if we didn't already have enough reasons to believe it.
Newniverse
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(06-19-2017, 11:34 PM)
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Been on the board but kinda been just watching here and there. So basically we got even more reason to believe that file leak?
Neoxon
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(06-19-2017, 11:37 PM)
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Originally Posted by Newniverse

Been on the board but kinda been just watching here and there. So basically we got even more reason to believe that file leak?

It got the Grandmaster & one of the MH monsters right, both of which were featured in the story trailer.

Also, the files were from 3 months ago, which lines up with what we were told at E3 about said E3 build being 3 months old.
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(06-19-2017, 11:37 PM)
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Repost from FGHQ:
I finally got to play the MvCi demo. I thought wavedashes felt fine for the characters I did it with. Air dashes felt normal. I think the graphics are fine, and the issues are generally with animation. The facial expressions during cutscenes were off-putting.

I only plan on playing the demo once since it had zero characters I am interested in. The story mode lines were SFV-esque in quality. I love Thor's new hammer throw. I like this Chris more than the last. Some inputs felt off, and hopefully they can fix that.

Why isn't anyone talking about the addition of short hops to Marvel? That's a huge boon for jumpers like Captain America. He felt much better to play than before just because of this.
Dahbomb
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I think we talked about short hops when we first found them.

Definitely a buff to ground based characters because it can allow them to go for tricky overheads.
Newniverse
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(06-19-2017, 11:39 PM)
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Originally Posted by Neoxon

Also, the files were from 3 months ago, which lines up with what we were told at E3 about said E3 build being 3 months old.

Thanks!

This is was what I missed.
NotLiquid
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(06-19-2017, 11:42 PM)
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The more I watch footage of this game the more it's irking me how the characters jitter so uncharacteristically when they're being juggled. I hope it's fixed before release.
JAXXX
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(06-19-2017, 11:43 PM)
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Not sure if this was post here but this is a post from Marvel Live podcast host Raid on reddit...


MvCI Demo Impressions @ CEO 2017 from a UMvC3 player's perspective

submitted 4 hours ago * by lolraid


Hey guys

I've noticed a lot of concern and questions about MvCI from a bunch of people in the FGC. To be honest, I was having the same concerns and the E3 story mode demo only made things worse. I was lucky enough to try the E3 "versus demo" at CEO and there's a lot to process but I can definitely say the versus demo and the story demo are two completely different experiences. I played around 30-40 matches of MvCI throughout the weekend and there are a couple of things that stand out:


ROSTER SIZE AND CHARACTER USAGE:

The roster is still small compared to most other VS games, but in general, it did not feel small considering it's a 2v2 game and not 3v3. I'm curious to see the rest of the initial roster and season 1 DLC, but it's currently not as big of a deal as I imagined it to be. The most used characters at the demo setups were X, Thanos, Ultron, and the least used being Hulk, Dr. Strange and Chun-Li.


GRAPHICS:

THEY DO NOT LOOK BAD IN MOTION. The game actually looks beautiful when you play it. Strange's projectiles have the same aesthetics as they do in the Dr.Strange movie. X's projectile BS looks faithful to the Megaman games. The stages (specially Valkanda) look AMAZING. Nova, Iron Man, and other "shiny" characters look as good as I'd imagine they should look. Some characters like Chun-Li, Spencer and Chris look weird sometimes, but it's not something that ever distracted me while playing. I will agree that the story mode cutscenes and some character art look ATROCIOUS... but the game in motion is great. The game would look amazing if they decide to revamp some character models, add a shader or two, and fix the damn cutscenes in story mode. It doesn't affect me as a competitive player but it's not that exciting as a casual player...


CONTROLLER LAYOUT:


Every UMvC3 player I talked to disliked the control scheme, but every "OG"/other FG players didn't seem to mind the layout. Several people compared the layout to MvC2. I wonder if there's a layout that works more comfortable for UMvC3 players but we'd need some training mode time with the game before that happens.


EARLY GAME META:

Most players agree that the reality gem is the strongest gem right now considering it tracks your opponent, it's safe on block (I think?), gives you a decent lockdown "assist" and the infinity storm for it is great for lockdown.

Some top players think that the team composition is centered around having a rushdown character and a zoning character and switching them in and out depending on the situation. Other players also think that team composition would consist of having a decent rushdown character on point to get the hit and your anchor being the combo character that does most of the damage.

The neutral game is very exciting right now. You basically have two options: Use your meter to do any lockdown-style super and tag in for free and do a bunch of high-low mixups to open your opponent up, or fight it out with "marvel footsies" to get a clean hit and use the meter that you have for more damaging combos.

Doom/Ammy players in UMvC3 will have so much fun with this mechanic. Players like Justin Wong who don't really need assists to get a hit will be able to take out a huuuuge chunk of your health because of the meter they'll spend. There are no one-touch kills in the game (yet).

COMBOS/EXECUTION:
I'd say that it's too early to tell if combos are easier or harder than UMvC3. The game definitely has an execution barrier that, although nowhere as deep as UMvC3, will still prove to be a challenge early on when learning the game. There are no ground plinkdash, only when you're in flight mode. You can wavedash but you have to let the dash itself rock a little longer, similar to how you would wavedash with Wolverine in UMvC3 to avoid activating berserker slash. You need to hit the tag button to bring in your next character and manually position yourself if you want to DHC. Grabs in the game work the same as UMvC3 with the exception that if you break the tag both characters essentially get pulled apart from eachother at full screen distance.

FINAL THOUGHTS:

If you like UMvC3, and can get over the new controller layout, you'll probably love MvCI. If you're a SFV player and you're frustrated with the monotony of the game and are looking for something that can help you express your playstyle more and be more creative, you'll probably love MvCI. If you're a casual gamer getting into the genre and you're looking for cool graphics and a nice story, MvCI is probably not the game you should be looking at right now. I hope to see everyone try out this game and form an opinion by themselves though. No one that played the demo at CEO had anything negative to say about the game, although I understand that the crowd at CEO is more concerned about the competitive aspect than the "video game" aspect. I honestly haven't had that much fun with a fighting game in a long while.

The things written in this post are obviously not set in stone, as this is just a demo and not the full release. 3 months is a short time though so I don't imagine much will change other than minor graphical details or some gameplay tweaks. Thanks for reading this block of text and we'll see what's up on September 19!

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