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Gunslinger
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(06-19-2017, 06:57 PM)
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Originally Posted by bobawesome

I don't know, does it?

Even mkx on iPhone looks better than this.
I-hate-u
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(06-19-2017, 06:57 PM)
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Originally Posted by nillapuddin

1. Take same amount of money
2.Re-balance UMvC3
3. Profit

ftfy
BiggNife
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(06-19-2017, 06:58 PM)
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Originally Posted by robot



Don't worry guys, Ono's gonna fix the graphics.

As a friend of mine said, "Weird how people who have the most to gain from a product being successful are the ones endorsing it"
yukimeans_snow
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Seems very low budget. It was apparent in the first story trailer

Originally Posted by Platy

I really hope because doing an HD version of Tatsunoko vs Capcom would look better than this game

man, how come this hasn't happened yet
Spman2099
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(06-19-2017, 07:00 PM)
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Originally Posted by Gunslinger

Even mkx on iPhone looks better than this.

What are you talking about? That is a screen shot from MKX on the cellphone, isn't it?
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Originally Posted by ViviOggi

Huh? Didn't they still outsource entire character models for SFV?

Full game outsourcing studios (think Eighting, CyberConnect, Ninja Theory), not art assets.
FadedRevolution
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(06-19-2017, 07:01 PM)
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Originally Posted by I-hate-u

ftfy

Shoot it's even easier since pc has done most of the work for them. Also mvc2 would be nice tho even if it's damn near impossible
KingBroly
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(06-19-2017, 07:03 PM)
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Originally Posted by robot



Don't worry guys, Ono's gonna fix the graphics.

Just like he got Pantha Rhei fixed.

Oh wait.
Sephzilla
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(06-19-2017, 07:03 PM)
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Originally Posted by robot



Don't worry guys, Ono's gonna fix the graphics.

Tighten up the graphics on level 3
Sayad
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(06-19-2017, 07:04 PM)
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Originally Posted by mas8705

Not that I doubt Ono, but I'm not holding my breath on it. Especially considering that if "Ono's gonna fix the graphics," you'd think that it would have been done already (or at the very least, have it ready for E3 so that it doesn't leave such a bad taste in people's mouths like it did).

Ono isn't the one you should be doubting there. :D
Sword Of Doom
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(06-19-2017, 07:06 PM)
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I think it's the art direction more than anything. Game can be low budget and look better than that. And it's chromatic aberration or something on top of the ugly art style that makes it look even worse.


I didn't know people thought MvC3 is ugly. I like the look of that game a lot
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(06-19-2017, 07:07 PM)
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Like everything they've been pumping out. It definitely looks low budget.

From SFV to Resident Evil 7, this just looks offensively low budget.
JayEH
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(06-19-2017, 07:09 PM)
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Originally Posted by Sephzilla

Tighten up the graphics on level 3

Aselith
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(06-19-2017, 07:10 PM)
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Originally Posted by kewlmyc

Probably a mix of low budget and lack of time.

Weird, since you would think Marvel would give them a pretty good check to do this with, but I guess not.

The gameplay better be good because I doubt they can turn around and make the game not look like crap before it releases. I guess kinda like a KOFXIV situation where the gameplay holds up the crappy artstyle and graphics.

GIVE them a check? Hahaha.
Sanctuary
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(06-19-2017, 07:10 PM)
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Originally Posted by ScottSullivan

MVC2 and SF4 are such good looking games, not sure what they were thinking

LOL, what? Don't get me wrong, I love a lot of the sprites Capcom has made, but MvC2 is anything but a "good looking game". Or at least, it's inconsistently good looking. It's a collection of sprites across multiple fighting games that came out prior, with relatively few that are actually new. The animations of the older sprites were not updated either, so they come off janky compared to the newer ones, and the backgrounds don't look good at all to me. Pretty bland 3D backgrounds + mismatched sprites. Better to look at than listen to though I guess (thank god for custom discs). Love the game, but I don't find it all that good to look at. Although in regards to MvC3 and Infinite...I guess I agree at least that I think it looks better.

I prefer sprites over the Tatsunoko/prerenderedwhatever look MvC3 had going on, but I wouldn't actually call it "ugly". At least it was consistent throughout. Infinite though? It looks almost like some game that was made with Unity. It's not Capcom's typical quality at all.

Originally Posted by Azure J

But Marvel vs. Capcom 3 was gorgeous... It's one of a rare few games that co-opts "comic book shading/presentation" for the absolute better especially considering half of its source materials' roots.

For the particle and hit effects maybe, but the characters looked too "waxy" like how so many prerendered games do, regardless of whether or not they actually were prerendered. It was almost like looking at Clay Fighter.
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Artanisix
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(06-19-2017, 07:12 PM)
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how can you hate on art
BadWolf
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(06-19-2017, 07:12 PM)
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Originally Posted by Artanisix



how can you hate on art

Dante had a hard life.
Dahbomb
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Most of the budget probably went on their god awful 3 hour story mode.

I don't even think this is an issue of budget... it's a lack of artistic coherence and talent. Some models look better artistically land technically than others. I think someone else's theory is on point with this, they are having a bunch of different studios work on the visuals/models and then they bring together the assets and stitch them together.

Like I don't believe for a second that Captain Marvel and Chun Li were made by the same group of people.
SoRuffShoNuff
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(06-19-2017, 07:13 PM)

Originally Posted by ScottSullivan

I'm leaning towards bad art direction and style, just like MVC3
MVC2 and SF4 are such good looking games, not sure what they were thinking

MVC2 isnt a good looking game because Capcom planned it, they just mashed up every sprite they had and put it in a game. Some of those sprites are downright janky compared to others. The only reason you would think its a good looking game is because you prefer the look of sprites to begin with.
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(06-19-2017, 07:22 PM)
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Originally Posted by Artanisix



how can you hate on art

"Not even once."
The End
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(06-19-2017, 07:24 PM)
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It seems odd that if they're severely budget constrained they wouldn't just rip Ryu/Chun models from SFV and the Donte model from DmC as they're all UE games.

That being said, coming up against INJ2/T7 and with DBFZ looming next year, whatever budget/production problems MvC:I has look significantly worse.
TRUE ORDER
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(06-19-2017, 07:26 PM)
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Originally Posted by Gunslinger

Even mkx on iPhone looks better than this.

I'll have nightmares countless times with how Chun Li looks.
I'll pray for a miracle to see her face being changed.
Forward
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(06-19-2017, 07:28 PM)
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Based on the game, I would say absolutely. But I do not have detailed information as to how numerous and deep management's pockets are. Maybe it is like Uni.
BadWolf
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(06-19-2017, 07:31 PM)
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Originally Posted by TRUE ORDER

I'll have nightmares countless times with how Chun Li looks.
I'll pray for a miracle to see her face being changed.

Hopefully she will have better luck with miracles than Ken in SFV :p
Son Of D
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(06-19-2017, 07:32 PM)
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Originally Posted by yukimeans_snow

man, how come this hasn't happened yet

I believe Capcom struggled to get the rights for all the characters outside of Japan (because Tatsunoko rights were split outside of Japan). A HD remaster would require getting the rights again.
LelouchViBritannia
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(06-19-2017, 07:33 PM)
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its a rushed low budget game. Capcom mess up yet another fighter.
Madness
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(06-19-2017, 07:35 PM)
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Probably. The fact they needed Sony's help and money to release a mainline Street Fighter game shows Capcom is not where it used to be where it could launch games back to back to back easily. It is probably also why they've focused so heavily in mobile.
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Originally Posted by TRUE ORDER

I'll have nightmares countless times with how Chun Li looks.
I'll pray for a miracle to see her face being changed.



I think people are still praying that Ken's face got a makeover too... Mind you if it already did, it took a while for that to be done. Also apologies for not finding a better "Ken's face" picture. This was the best I could find that didn't cover Ken in bananas.
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(06-19-2017, 07:37 PM)
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I don't really think any of them have looked right since they moved away from the original 2D art, I was so disappointed when the new one was announced and it didn't have Guilty Gear Xrd Rev2 style rendering.
Gunslinger
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(06-19-2017, 07:37 PM)
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Isn't arksys games are pretty low budget too? By a small dev team? If they can make games look like that Capcom got no excuse.
jg4xchamp
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(06-19-2017, 07:38 PM)
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Yeah, Capcom's low budget game has been obvious for awhile with their other games. Company is definitely hurting for money these days. Shame, because what I've seen of the 1v1 demos at E3, the game is looking tight. But visually disappointing.
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(06-19-2017, 07:39 PM)
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Originally Posted by ScottSullivan

I'm leaning towards bad art direction and style, just like MVC3
MVC2 and SF4 are such good looking games, not sure what they were thinking

MvC3 had bad art direction ?

It looked like a live comic book...What...
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Originally Posted by ScottSullivan

I'm leaning towards bad art direction and style, just like MVC3
MVC2 and SF4 are such good looking games, not sure what they were thinking

SF4 looks like ass.. Some stages looked good and animations we're good, but models and art style looked bad. Later character models got better though...
dbztrk
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(06-19-2017, 07:39 PM)
The game is butt ugly especially after looking at the beauty that is Dragon Ball Fighter Z.

Capcom should have use the graphical style of MVC3 but with more detailed textures and it would have been fine.
Lulubop
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It's clear Marvel/Disney wants this game to have a certain aesthetic, and capcom isn't up to snuff. A stylish filter or shader would do wonders
UnemployedVillain
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(06-19-2017, 07:40 PM)
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Originally Posted by Poster#1

I expected Capcom to show some respect and care for the title but it doesn't seem like it.

BadWolf
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(06-19-2017, 07:40 PM)
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Originally Posted by jg4xchamp

Yeah, Capcom's low budget game has been obvious for awhile with their other games. Company is definitely hurting for money these days. Shame, because what I've seen of the 1v1 demos at E3, the game is looking tight. But visually disappointing.

According to Nirolak's posts, they are fine financially and are sitting on a decent pile of money. It's just that they seem to be really unwilling to take any risks, which is hurting their growth.
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Originally Posted by ScottSullivan

I'm leaning towards bad art direction and style, just like MVC3
MVC2 and SF4 are such good looking games, not sure what they were thinking

Lol what is this? These are like the two ugliest fighters capcom has ever made and yes sf4 is uglier than this
ElFly
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(06-19-2017, 07:44 PM)
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dunno if they are reusing content from umvc3. they may be reusing _designs_ but maybe they are redoing everything from scratch while looking at the old models as guidance

which is hella wasteful, but the content pipeline changed a ton since 2011 to now so I dunno if the old models were at all usable with the latest techs
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Originally Posted by Gunslinger

Isn't arksys games are pretty low budget too? By a small dev team? If they can make games look like that Capcom got no excuse.

Capcom still thinks people will buy their games off the name alone. Someone should tell them it isn't the 90's anymore.
LinkAndEpona
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It isn't just due to being a demo?
BadWolf
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(06-19-2017, 07:46 PM)
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Originally Posted by LinkAndEpona

It isn't just due to being a demo?

Not this close to release.
HeelPower
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(06-19-2017, 07:47 PM)
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Originally Posted by Gunslinger

Isn't arksys games are pretty low budget too? By a small dev team? If they can make games look like that Capcom got no excuse.

These guys must have extraordinary talent.

Dragon Ball is bonkers. It actually looks better than the fucking anime. It looks nearly flawless.

Something very special is going on in the visual department of that studio.
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The reveal trailer felt rushed. The character animations had a very start/stop movement. There was almost a rigid feeling to them.

I don't think the further reveals felt any more refined. I told someone that Capcom must have spent a bulk of their budget on the Marvel license with some rolled up $20 bills leftover to actually make the game.

They may very well be under the clock and have to meet milestones to satisfy Marvel and a time table to get this thing released and enough time to accumulate sales before the contract expires (depending on how things were renegotiated) ... MvC3 wasn't available after 2-3 years until they rereleased it recently.
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Originally Posted by Poster#1

I'd be shocked if this game cost more than MvC3. It just doesn't make sense.

Capcom used to put out quality games. I don't know what happened to them this gen :(

They tried to make a next gen engine which fell through completely coupled with the shock of some of their most expensive projects ever either flopping, (RE6), or not bringing in a large enough profit, (DmC).They've been recovering for the last four years.
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The style is definitely quite unfortunate, but it's not a result of a low budget. I think it's an attempt to make every character look equally at home, but it ends up looking kinda bland across the board.

Comparing ANY of Capcom's games to Injustice 2 is a tall order. That's more a clash of where performance capture is at in general in the gaming market. As slick as a Yakuza or a Metal Gear looks, it's a bit of a plasticky, stylised video game affair - however appealing - next to the western often-uncanny valley.
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(06-19-2017, 07:51 PM)
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Originally Posted by LinkAndEpona

It isn't just due to being a demo?

Originally Posted by BadWolf

Not this close to release.

That's the biggest problem here. Back when it was first shown off towards the end of last year, you could argue that since it was the "First time" we have seen the game in action, visual can improve. At this point where the game is less than a few months out, you'd think that graphics would start getting finalized or at the very least, visuals on characters would be good to go to be shown off at E3 (to which in terms of the Marvel side, you can say that they look good, but then on Capcom's side we have the issues that we are currently discussing here)
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Originally Posted by ScottSullivan

I'm leaning towards bad art direction and style, just like MVC3
MVC2 and SF4 are such good looking games, not sure what they were thinking

I think SF5 looks way better than SF4 in art style. I hate the overly buff style they love to do lately. Then again I only played SF5 for like 15 minutes.
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Originally Posted by ImTheJudgeandJury

I think SF5 looks way better than SF4 in art style. I hate the overly buff style they love to do lately. Then again I only played SF5 for like 15 minutes.

Nothing new for the series.

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Originally Posted by BadWolf

Nothing new for the series.

Everyone looked buff in their old sprite art style, men and women alike. I LOVED that look, but it seems that in 3D it hasn't really translated over well, aside from SF5 (most characters look awesome)

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