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01net: Mario Galaxy originates from an external source
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Shikamaru Ninja
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Both Pikmin and Super Mario Galaxy come from SEVERAL prototypes developed at EAD Technology Development Department. Which is a separate division from the EAD Software Development Department. The roots of the technology origins and development environments can be traced to the Mario 128 demo (tech was reused in Mario and Pikmin), Roll-O-Rama (tech was reused in Super Mario Galaxy), and Super Mario Sunshine (tech was reused in Super Mario Galaxy).
There is an absolute possibility that a programmer witnessed another technology and emulated to some degree. But that is impossible to prove.
There is an absolute possibility that a programmer witnessed another technology and emulated to some degree. But that is impossible to prove.
Error Macro
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MisterHero said:
I bet Nintendo's time machine looks like a warp pipe.
Shocking Alberto will come to tell you that's not really true.Fantastical said:
And Rhod put it better than me regarding Pikmin.
Seriously, even if there might be a hint of truth here (other games did Gravity first like SA2, or NST were indeed working of a RTS) it doesn't mean anything, and all the assumptions and accusations the writer is doing is just embarrasing.
Fantastical
Death Prophet
They at least have some ideas or concepts. Nintendo has pretty much said so. It's no secret that Nintendo has canned many projects that probably got pretty far along. Early Retro is an example of this. It was even rumored (by IGN I believe) that at one time Retro was working on Zelda for Wii. Who knows if that's true though.Yenrot said:
Wait, didn't I just agree with you?Boney said:
It's strange how some people seem so affronted by the idea that Nintendo's development process might not be some magical house of dreams where game concepts spring fullblown from Miyamoto's head in showers of pixie dust, and that such talk might even be "damaging". Damaging how? It's not like the quality of the games themselves would be negatively impacted by the revelation that Nintendo does things the way other companies do.
I guess it's just the rampant fan mythologizing (which the company itself plays up) that bugs me.
I guess it's just the rampant fan mythologizing (which the company itself plays up) that bugs me.
IchigoSharingan
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Nintendo: the secret Valve
CoffeeJanitor
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Pretty much how I feel about it. SMG, even if the gravity idea had been taken from somewhere else (as if Gravity hasn't been done before -- SA2, R&C say hello), is still an extremely imaginative title. It's the absolute polish, endless creativity, beautiful art and perfect controls that make it what it is.Stumpokapow said:
hardcastlemccormick
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Rhod said:Noooo, no no no no. My prototype was shelved! They gave us the idea, saw it realized, and politely moved along! Then a few years later they got EAD Tokyo to do it better
You're supposed to keep your mouth shut and take the praise silly!
(And I think he was just telling you that he's thankful that you inspired the stages in some fashion)
Rhod said:I was responsible for a (shelved) prototype for Nintendo about the idea of multiple copies of a character spawning behind you as you move around a 3D stage, and with which you mustn't collide. That obviously came to be in Mario Galaxy 2 with the shadow marios. Playing that was a weird day
So yeah, they try things out for years and years, all over the place, internal and external.
Was that done at Nintendo or at a different studio which received no credit?
Rhod said:
As I said, I'm not exactly sure what the problem with any of this is. Hell, the part about Pikmin is a clear case of twisting words to fit the narrative. Assuming any of that is true, drawing the mechanics of the game from an external prototype does not preclude Miyamoto from having come up with the thematic usage of those mechanics.
I don't see the problem here. So what if the gravity part of SMG didn't originate from nintendo? SMG and SMG2 are two of the greatest platformers ever, and it wasn't just because of the gravity idea, but the EXECUTION!!! No one could have done what nintendo did with these games.
Same thing with Pikmen.. just because someone was developing an RTS game doesn't mean that Miyamoto wasn't inspired by his garden.
This is just getting silly.
Same thing with Pikmen.. just because someone was developing an RTS game doesn't mean that Miyamoto wasn't inspired by his garden.
This is just getting silly.
More Fun To Compute
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It's like, oh my god, Miyamoto doesn't single handedly come up with all the ideas at Nintendo and they have prototypes of games that could be a lot of fun that never get made? This changes everything. Or maybe not.
He doesn't lie about being the person behind them though. He's the face of Apple, but it's not like he pretends he saw fridge and decided to make an iPhone or something.Xyphie said:
If this news is true, it won't stop some of Nintendo's games being awesome, but it would make me think less of the company.
Stumpokapow
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Rhod said:Noooo, no no no no. My prototype was shelved! They gave us the idea, saw it realized, and politely moved along! Then a few years later they got EAD Tokyo to do it better
Well even if you only had a little bit of influence on the final thing and your prototype was totally remade, the idea is still really cool.
The myth that 3DS price was what it was because it had good consumer reaction is well.. a myth based on poor reading comprehension and paranoia. It was damage control for the stockholders, but to suggest that's why it was priced like it was is just silly.Fantastical said:Wait, didn't I just agree with you?
Lord_Byron28
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I mean in terms of Miyamoto being this magical person who somehow supervises everything, always keeps a close eye on 20 different projects at once, single handedly developing games, etc. I don't believe that. I do believe that he has ideas of games or sees concepts for games and comes up with ideas on what to do with it.
However, this place suggests that they went out bought the prototype for SMG and copied and pasted Mario into it. This I don't believe when there is so much evidence against the contrary. Mario 128 was originaly meant as a sequel to Mario 64, then there was a GCN tech demo titled Mario 128 which featured 128 Marios running around on spherical worlds, later Pikmin is released and Miyamoto confirms that part of the idea came from the Mario 128 tech demo, after that Miyamoto states that the Revolution controller was designed around Super Mario 128(SMG), and finally after SMG releases he confirmes that Pikmin and SMG both evolved from the Super Mario 128 project.
However, this place suggests that they went out bought the prototype for SMG and copied and pasted Mario into it. This I don't believe when there is so much evidence against the contrary. Mario 128 was originaly meant as a sequel to Mario 64, then there was a GCN tech demo titled Mario 128 which featured 128 Marios running around on spherical worlds, later Pikmin is released and Miyamoto confirms that part of the idea came from the Mario 128 tech demo, after that Miyamoto states that the Revolution controller was designed around Super Mario 128(SMG), and finally after SMG releases he confirmes that Pikmin and SMG both evolved from the Super Mario 128 project.
They are doing a 5 day blow out of Nintendo info from a supposedly reliable Nintendo source.Amir0x said:
radioheadrule83
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The claims the article makes offend me much less than the shitty way they're written, presented and opined upon.
This is day 3 of their series of 'shocking' Nintendo revelations, only they've been largely unsubstantiated heresy so far, and it all just strikes me as a cynical ploy for hits following their apparent luck in getting a couple of credible sources on Vita etc.
This is day 3 of their series of 'shocking' Nintendo revelations, only they've been largely unsubstantiated heresy so far, and it all just strikes me as a cynical ploy for hits following their apparent luck in getting a couple of credible sources on Vita etc.
Error Macro
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Osietra said:
So, Iwata is Nixon?
Stumpokapow
listen to the mad man
StuBurns said:
I'm not sure how this news, if true, would put Miyamoto in the position of having "lied". If a developer says "I came up with the idea for Fruit Ninja when I was shopping in the supermarket and saw an evil looking kiwi", it doesn't mean that nothing else ever came to be a part of the idea during the germination.
Let's say they had an unfinished RTS game sitting around and revamped it to make Pikmin. That's totally compatible with Miyamoto sitting in his garden and saying "Hey I want little radish head dudes that you can control and have work together. Oh, some of the stuff from that Bones of Blood: The 10000 Year War prototype would be go with this. And I really like the whole Commander Keen kid-pretending-to-be-a-space-captain thing, so let's incorporate that into the main character's design." Ta-da. Circle squared.
I think there's a big difference between sort of aggregating or simplifying things to give reasonable answers to questions, versus explicitly stealing credit, and even the article in the OP doesn't propose that Nintendo did the latter.
Fantastical
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People suggesting that Ratchet and Clank / Ape Escape have to do with this rumor should read the part about SMG again.
They're saying that Nintendo expanded upon a prototype from an external source that they bought. Not that they stole.
Also, it's hilarious that they act like the development of Super Mario Galaxy was like some sort of machine. Apparently they "tweaked a thing or two". "Here's a prototype, okay add some Mario, Goombas, Bowser, Peach, alright, ship this baby!"
I wasn't really serious anyway.
They're saying that Nintendo expanded upon a prototype from an external source that they bought. Not that they stole.
Also, it's hilarious that they act like the development of Super Mario Galaxy was like some sort of machine. Apparently they "tweaked a thing or two". "Here's a prototype, okay add some Mario, Goombas, Bowser, Peach, alright, ship this baby!"
Ah, okay.Boney said:
I wasn't really serious anyway.
Stumpokapow said:Well even if you only had a little bit of influence on the final thing and your prototype was totally remade, the idea is still really cool.
Yeah, it was super fun times. I can talk about that one because the game featuring it has come out now. I'd really love to be able to show off the original StarFox Command touch control ideas we messed around with (so proud), but they are all added to Nintendo's big vault of game ideas referred to in that article.
Don't want to spend my life in fear of the pimp hand, the nintendo yakuza, and the ninja squad
Rocket Punch
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I guess all those Iwata Asks sessions must all be PR and everyone involved in them is part of a secret conspiracy the center of which is Miyamoto himself.
Lord_Byron28
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Exactly. Who knows what involvement Miyamoto had with projects but he could've seen the RTS concept and said "hey lets have a garden aesthetic to the game and base it around that".Stumpokapow said:
If what Rhod says is true and based upon previous comments about SMG/SM128 it seems like Super Mario Galaxy had a lot of work and different prototypes and ideas worked into the game.
DaSorcerer7
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it all makes sense now.
I honestly don't see the point of the article. Whether it be true or not, they haven't stolen ideas (or so the article tries to imply, I dunno). The site certainly has plenty of negative "info" to share lately...
I give them credit for their article before the Wii U reveal. A bit more substantial info (sources etc) would help these latest articles though...
I give them credit for their article before the Wii U reveal. A bit more substantial info (sources etc) would help these latest articles though...
StuBurns said:
seriously??
It is actually awesome and very smart of them to have all of these prototypes and ideas laying around. They pick and choose several ideas and incorporate them into a game, whenever they want.
And if they ever felt pressured to release a game in the near future, they can reach into this vault of ideas and make a game.
hardcastlemccormick
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JABEE said:
It also doesn't make it a big deal. What have we learned from this website so far?
1. Nintendo works on tons of handhelds and handheld options (some unreleased)
2. Nintendo sometimes has issues to work out before consoles are released
3. Nintendo sometimes uses external ideas in their games, because for some reason they live in the same reality we do and aren't isolated from the world around them (and third party prototypes as well)
The rumors appear to be a big deal, but once you think about the implication, all of them are pretty obvious.
walking fiend
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So Nintendo can add Mario, tweak a thing or two and turn a prototype into one of the best games ever developed? Pretty impressive of them if you ask me.
Fantastical
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When did Nintendo extensively talk about the development of Super Mario Galaxy? It seems like Nintendo is pretty tight-lipped about the behind the scenes stuff until more recently with Iwata Asks and stuff like that.saichi said:
Must of been one hell of a prototype.walking fiend said:
It's a lie of omission. To use the Apple analogy, if Steve Jobs got up and said, "check out the Apple OS, featuring a UI I saw in a dream" (or whatever), and didn't credit the idea to Xerox at all. It's misleading, and to me it seems like simplifying for the express purpose to mislead.Stumpokapow said:
(Can you tell I watched an Apple/MS documentary on YouTube today?)
hardcastlemccormick
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Trojita said:
Nintendo buys them.
StuBurns said:
Nobody is obligated to list every inspiration they use in the development of a game. Or any media, for that matter. And you can bet there were thousands for any single game.
1984 copies the Russian novel We almost to a tee. I think no less of either book.
Besides, Nintendo brings so much of their level design prowess to the process that the prototype probably has nothing to do with the final result.
AbsoluteZero
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BurntPork said:
People hate Nintendo because they makes games that they don't like that go on to sell gangbusters.
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