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Microsoft's Windows 10 "Game Mode" is bullshit and actually makes games perform worse
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Bingo.
calavera_jo
Neo Member
SwiftDeath
Member
Every couple of years I go look for one of the posts here that go into intricate detail of all of
Microsoft's PC Gaming "Efforts" just to remind myself of how poorly they've handled what should be one of the biggest boons of their OS product.
It really is like no one there has any idea what to do for gamers and that no one cares to try and improve it.
Microsoft's PC Gaming "Efforts" just to remind myself of how poorly they've handled what should be one of the biggest boons of their OS product.
It really is like no one there has any idea what to do for gamers and that no one cares to try and improve it.
Osx is basically dead as gaming platform. And being a perfect example of a walled garden, i hope it stays that way. Linux still has hope though.
Wowfunhappy
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calavera_jo
Neo Member
I also would like Linux to gain more traction with gaming, but I don't know why you say that MacOs is a walled garden. You can install non-appstore apps on it too. Unless I don't understand what you mean by it.
You can even run non-signed code
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Deleted member 1235
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It's being rolled out slowly... Because of issues like this. Expect to see patches. For me to get creators I had to run a tool (that a link under windows update offered)
God had MS threads are really fucking horrible.
That said, literally every major win10 update blue screens me and ks.sys is the culprit. Prayer generally buys me a lucky boot to download the latest nvidea driver which makes the issue go away.
It seems like ms has had video driver difficulty for YEARS, I wouldn't be surprised if a video driver needing an update was a source of the shit results
sixteen-bit
Member
Yikes, what were they thinking?
macOS would be a weird example of a walled garden, let alone a 'perfect' one. Aside from the hardware restrictions, what makes it a walled garden any more than Windows?
Seriously. Those two back to back posts were random as hell lol.
Why? What is your reasoning for thinking he fucked up testing?
Wowfunhappy
Member
I'd assume he's referring to hardware rather than software. There's no way to mix and match components, and even very expensive top-of-the-line Macs are severely lacking in the graphics department. My solution was to build a Hackintosh, but that's obviously not something the platform was designed for.
On the software side, there's also GateKeeper and System Integrity Protection, but both can be disabled with a couple of terminal commands.
PleaseDontBanMe
Banned
Has digital foundry done a test video yet?
Night.Ninja
Banned
Ricerocket
Member
Expect same shit. Benchmarkers run things at ideal situations. That means running benches on fresh OS install and run more than once due to stutters from 1st run. Linus crew aren't idiots when it comes to PC stuff but they do say that it's possible that the config they have weren't the target and there are so many out there so who knows.
whalleywhat
Member
Yeah, those guys are out of the Matrix.
finalflame
Gold Member
"Aside from what makes it a walled garden, what makes it a walled garden?"
The hardware restriction is a big one, and the fact DirectX is highly favored and optimized for as a graphics API and will never come to macOS.
thechristoph
Sir!
It would be less of an issue if Apple's OpenGL implementation wasn't horribly out of date and didn't suck. They could also implement Vulkan but they only want to support Metal, so the best you're going to get is Vulkan games through a Wrapper or ios mobile ports.
dr_rus
Member
The worst part in everything which surrounds Game Mode is the continuing lying by MS on what it does, even now, after several publications called them on this:
That's a Windows blog post from yesterday and the bolded part is just a straight up lie again.
https://blogs.windows.com/windowsex...ows-10-tip-get-power-windows-10-pc-game-mode/
That's a Windows blog post from yesterday and the bolded part is just a straight up lie again.
"They" did. Well, "they" being PC World, and "lower end" being a $2600 Surface Book ( http://www.pcworld.com/article/3187...akes-unplayable-games-playable-sometimes.html ).
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It's true for certain machines (laptops, tablets, non-gaming desktops) in certain use cases (heavy background programs).
calavera_jo
Neo Member
Direct X won't go to MacOs because Microsoft is using to lock users into their windows ecosystem.
The former isn't really a walled garden situation though. it's something else - not saying that makes it better or worse - just that a walled garden usually means something fairly specific in regards to what a user can access from within that platform (or what they can bring into the platform) - the platform being the operating system. It can include hardware, e.g. the iOS walled garden extends beyond software into hardware, as to make lightening peripherals for the iPhone - you have to license through Apple.
Regarding the latter, Microsoft have similar things these days - as long as they remain optional and configurable - I don't think we can necessarily call either macOS or Windows walled gardens.
If the hardware restrictions make it a 'perfect example of a walled garden', then... I have no idea what we'd classify actual walled gardens like iOS - if macOS is already a perfect example of it.
Walled gardens in the software world are almost entirely defined by the restriction of being able to access or use third party software and services that don't have to go through some sort of gatekeeper. You can't do that on actual walled gardens like iOS, everything that isn't accessible through a web browser has to go through Apple. That is not the case with macOS.
The hardware discussion is only tangentially related to the 'walled garden' discussion.
I have no idea what you're trying to say with the DirectX stuff though.. what does that have to do with the walled garden discussion?
I keep saying why it's bullshit too.
The os reserves 20% of your cpu power by default, max it can be dropped to is 10, Either of these is horrible. They could fix a setting like network throttling which is not gamer friendly to say the least. The same could be said for an abysmal cpu scheduler which be it xbox consumers or pc devices like a desktop/laptop would benefit from a better one. What worse is 10 unlike 8/7 is a huge bloaty pos of crap that runs too much background crap that gets in the way. If its not crap in the background they still have various services like wireless config or base filtering engine that gets in the way of performance and incurs dpc latency overhead or cpu cycles when they decide to randomly run or not play right. You could turn off base filter engine but GG on your internal security. They haven't fixed any of the issues and it's gotten worse since xp despite the power gains we have made on hardware the software nullifies a huge portion of the overall amount and then makes consistent optimal performace a pain if your system is capable of it. The company is a fucking joke when they claim they care about gamers, and the problems exist still on their consoles which use the same kernel but with less ability to turn or fix the problems it creates.
Very little reason for me these days to bother spending the thousands I did on good hardware only to stick on windows and watch as various parts that perform in linux well suddenly turn to crap. I thought using a ram drive and ssd would fix my problems with kernel issues glad I can spread the word they don't, the kernel is crap and gamers under windows pc or console are not really served well by it nor is MS. I'm amazed they have professionals who no next jack about making real consistent improvements to windows or take the time to ensure games run well with little issues. 3 generations of very sub par improvements, the only real note is the cpu scheduler becoming decent it's still a joke to the biggest OS that everyone uses for networking or smartphones.
calavera_jo
Neo Member
related to the wall garden stuff:
https://twitter.com/TimSweeneyEpic/status/859716756931305472
Windows is more likely to turn into a wall garden if they keep doing stuff like this.
https://twitter.com/TimSweeneyEpic/status/859716756931305472
Windows is more likely to turn into a wall garden if they keep doing stuff like this.
LordOcidax
Member
I have the feeling that the Forza Horizon dream patch is going to work like the "Game Mode"... :/
Pathfinder
Member
There Sweeney goes again.
The dude just can't resist an opportunity to claim he was right.
WorldofMiku
Banned
Windows 10 S is not aimed for us though. Pro and Home are still available and up to date for those who hate walled gardens.
Well, he was and is completely right.
As a scientist, the whole idea of locking education of all things into a closed computing platform is just utterly reprehensible.
Sword Of Doom
Member
I haven't used game mode cause I keep my system light anyways but the creator update has slowed my PC down in general and I'm having issues now like my system freezing during boot up. Windows 10 was fine until the anniversary update. Since then it's been getting worse in my experience
Pathfinder
Member
He's really not.
The simple fact of the matter is these cheap educational laptops can easily be unlocked to a Pro version that can run any app under the sun for a tiny fee, if the app they want to run is not yet available in the Store.
In fact, according to TechCrunch...
https://techcrunch.com/2017/05/02/y...de-any-windows-10-s-device-to-windows-10-pro/
It's fun to watch Tim get himself all worked up over nothing though.
Jaguar Victory
Member
You mean what schools actually want because they can't afford a huge IT team to manage policy around the clock. Why do you think Chromebooks do so well in education?
calavera_jo
Neo Member
Say what you will, but there is a tendency for Microsoft to be moving in that direction.
Also, getting students used to Microsoft products gives you coders that can't code without using Visual Studio and people that can't type without using Word. Non-tech-savvy people seem to think that Microsoft IS computing already.
Also, getting students used to Microsoft products gives you coders that can't code without using Visual Studio and people that can't type without using Word. Non-tech-savvy people seem to think that Microsoft IS computing already.
dragonelite
Member
lol hyperbolic much.
justiceiro
Marlboro: Other M
If disable the windows key while at it, i'm willing to give it a shot.
JareBear: Remastered
Banned
Personally I feel like the Fall Update fixed Game Mods. I have a 1070ti, midrange i7, and fun off SSD and since updating windows a couple weeks ago Game Mode has provided slight FPS boosts across the board for me
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Shifty
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lol going against the neogaf narrative
Well shit, quick everyone- get your greaser outfits and start snapping your fingers to make a point like this is West Side Story.
Trogdor1123
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Done a done. Where are we meeting to randomly burst out into song?
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