Updated graphics with true 4K and HDR and preferably 60 frames per second gameplay. We are going to need larger hard drives too. I for one have no issue paying $599 for something that's quite powerful at launch. I'm also in no rush for the Next Generation to begin, I think there is years left in the tank with the Pro and the One X.
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What do you expect for a PS5 / NEXTBOX?
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Jonathan20022
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The dumbest part of this 4k trend is that people are now going to expect that from the next gen consoles. And this thread is evidence of it.
1440p with 30-60fps as a standard is FAR more realistic. My computer with a Ryzen CPU + SLI 1080GTX cards can barely keep up with games in 4k atm between medium/high settings in games at a consistent 60fps. Expecting a console to do what a $2k+ computer is barely able to do is so naive.
What I'm hoping for, but know won't happen. Is instead of just releasing a $3-400 console then releasing the souped up version for $5-600, I think we should just circumvent this and release a console starting at the higher price range with the higher end parts. People are all about affordability and that's great, but you can always wait until the price of the console drops years after it's release and buy it for the price that you think is fair. But people need to have higher standards if they keep having these 4k 60fps pipe dreams.
1440p with 30-60fps as a standard is FAR more realistic. My computer with a Ryzen CPU + SLI 1080GTX cards can barely keep up with games in 4k atm between medium/high settings in games at a consistent 60fps. Expecting a console to do what a $2k+ computer is barely able to do is so naive.
What I'm hoping for, but know won't happen. Is instead of just releasing a $3-400 console then releasing the souped up version for $5-600, I think we should just circumvent this and release a console starting at the higher price range with the higher end parts. People are all about affordability and that's great, but you can always wait until the price of the console drops years after it's release and buy it for the price that you think is fair. But people need to have higher standards if they keep having these 4k 60fps pipe dreams.
I wish for a VR-centric platform from both Sony and MS.
VR is a game changer and the use of the hardware for 4K/90fps on VR will be much more appreciated than better graphics on a flat screen.
Although for that to work the HMD should be wireless, have at least two 4K OLED screens and use advanced sensors (like the HTC vive). Unfortunately it will probably take about 8-10 years until VR will take over the flat screen - in other words I'm waiting for the PS6.
VR is a game changer and the use of the hardware for 4K/90fps on VR will be much more appreciated than better graphics on a flat screen.
Although for that to work the HMD should be wireless, have at least two 4K OLED screens and use advanced sensors (like the HTC vive). Unfortunately it will probably take about 8-10 years until VR will take over the flat screen - in other words I'm waiting for the PS6.
I think that the cpus will have the biggest leap, and 60fps+ in all games. And between 7-10 tflops gpus that can handle in most cases native 4k. Microsoft (and maybe Sony) will most certainly have a backup plan to beef up components so they have the most powerful system after the other have revealed their specs.
Horsemama1956
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3-6k 70 fps graphics and 24x AF would be sweet
Sosokrates
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Both PS5 and next box launch nov 2020
CPU:8 core ryzen mobile variant
GPU : 12-14 TFLOP AMD
RAM: 24GB (4 for OS)
HD:2TB HYBRID
LAUNCH PRICE : $499
Both the pro and X1 will continue to be supported by 1st parties.
CPU:8 core ryzen mobile variant
GPU : 12-14 TFLOP AMD
RAM: 24GB (4 for OS)
HD:2TB HYBRID
LAUNCH PRICE : $499
Both the pro and X1 will continue to be supported by 1st parties.
jobrro
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I think 2019 is too early, we just got the Pro and even more recently the X. These console were meant for people who would otherwise simply change over to PC. In 2008 the nVidia 9600GT launched and ran rings around the PS360 for a very low price, they are worried about the low end PCs having a significant advantage.
2020/2021 seems more likely. I'd like to see at least ~15TF GPUs, something akin to a 2017 Ryzen and maybe 32GB RAM. Hard to know about RAM capacity, 8GB seemed huge when this gen was announced and was a 16x leap over last gen, but I guess we will see what is affordable.
I don't see either console going far above $399. Factor in inflation and it could go higher than $399 but that seems to be the sweet spot recently. There might be a premium version for a bit more, but there will certainly be a console at $399 or close to it from both makers.
2020/2021 seems more likely. I'd like to see at least ~15TF GPUs, something akin to a 2017 Ryzen and maybe 32GB RAM. Hard to know about RAM capacity, 8GB seemed huge when this gen was announced and was a 16x leap over last gen, but I guess we will see what is affordable.
I don't see either console going far above $399. Factor in inflation and it could go higher than $399 but that seems to be the sweet spot recently. There might be a premium version for a bit more, but there will certainly be a console at $399 or close to it from both makers.
Rayderism
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The way the gaming industry is going, I wouldn't be surprised if they removed the optical disk drive in favor of a credit card slot and required a credit card just to power up the freaking system. Then require an hourly rate to play the games, on top of paying full price to initially buy the game (digital purchase only, naturally), and don't forget the greedbox/suckertransactions on top of that. Of course, that also means being always online, even for the single-player games. How else would they validate/bleed your credit card?
Oh but wait a minute, maybe I shouldn't be giving them any ideas. Ahem.
Oh but wait a minute, maybe I shouldn't be giving them any ideas. Ahem.
Dee Dah Dave
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Wait for 7nm tech to become established. That's probably going to put it at 2020 or maybe 21.
Low end Ryzen CPU - probably 2 - 3x better than the current Jaguars
AMD Navi GPU 12 - 15TF depending on release year, maybe slightly higher
16 - 24GB GDDR6 RAM. Any higher amount is going to be too costly for a console.
Some chance that MS go the year after Sony. Their Scorpio has a bit more legs to survive a year of the PS5. Sony get a head start but MS get to come in with better hardware again. Them beating Sony in marketshare is a long shot anyway so perhaps better to aim at the bigger spenders for hardware, digital ownership, subs, DLC etc.
Low end Ryzen CPU - probably 2 - 3x better than the current Jaguars
AMD Navi GPU 12 - 15TF depending on release year, maybe slightly higher
16 - 24GB GDDR6 RAM. Any higher amount is going to be too costly for a console.
Some chance that MS go the year after Sony. Their Scorpio has a bit more legs to survive a year of the PS5. Sony get a head start but MS get to come in with better hardware again. Them beating Sony in marketshare is a long shot anyway so perhaps better to aim at the bigger spenders for hardware, digital ownership, subs, DLC etc.
Sosokrates
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The backlash would be huge.
Remember the backlash from the policies of always online and not being able to sell your games the xbox one was going to implement!
Xenobureido
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Well, ideally Sony would make PS5 a VR-centric system. Whatever specs that involves. 
Wolfgunblood Garopa
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Augmented Reality will be the new thing for next gen. AR glasses will come bundled with the console. One of the uses will be to remove the in game UI from being be displayed on the TV, menus will 'pop out' around the TV and be contextual if you look directly at one of them. The idea is to expand the game beyond the TV without isolating the player from others in the room like VR does. This will open up all new types of games and experiences. A popular use will be to have Twitch or other TV content playing in windows that don't obstruct the game/TV, like a multiple monitor setup.
TLZ
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I would actually like to see devs give us both 30 and 60 Fps options in every game like many pro and x games have now. Make that a standard and give us choice; prefer resolution or Fps.
Velius
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Personally, I find that the most riveting (and potentially profitable) nuance to come out of the last generation or so is the abandoning of the unspoken agreement between the three companies.
It's like up until now they had this silent arrangement to start the next generation at the same time. Not anymore. Switch came out early this year. Is XB1X a new console? I mean, it seems like it. Sony will likely make sure to come out with a beast in an attempt to make it decade-proof.
In short-- what even IS the ninth generation?
It's like up until now they had this silent arrangement to start the next generation at the same time. Not anymore. Switch came out early this year. Is XB1X a new console? I mean, it seems like it. Sony will likely make sure to come out with a beast in an attempt to make it decade-proof.
In short-- what even IS the ninth generation?
Sosokrates
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Well, ideally Sony would make PS5 a VR-centric system. Whatever specs that involves.
They should do VR when
1.there is zero sickness/nausea
2.its wireless
3.its comfortable and is as easy to setup and play as normal gaming
They should not bother pumping more money into VR just to do a public R and D.
I expect next gen to be the first big step towards mainstreaming virtual reality. The Oculus Rift, HTC Vive, PSVR, and others are all great, but they are still niche when compared to the overall console and PC gaming markets. I expect the next generation will bring many, many more people into the VR fold, with thrilling, AAA VR games present on both the next Xbox and Playstation. I also expect that by that time, VR standards will be better fleshed out, and there will be cross-platform VR games that release simultaneously on PC, Playstation and Xbox.
Beerman462
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Well, ideally Sony would make PS5 a VR-centric system. Whatever specs that involves.
In what way?
Pack-in VR headset? Kinect says hi.
Built in proprietary connectors?
Power? I would hope they pack as much power in as can for the price.
If you are thinking specialized VR rendering techniques, then NVIDIA and AMD are both working on those and it will be part of the future GPUs.
So really the only way to make it VR centric is with a pack-in head set and that would be DUMB
You are dreaming if you think they will have anything close to 1TB of bandwidth
LOL. a 7 to 10 TFlop GPU is something I'd expect if Sony were doing a "PS4 Ultra" in 2018 to take the performance crown back from Microsoft and run all PS4 games in native 4K.
I do not see that happening. That's not enough for a next generation console (which Sony believes in), thus PS5.
Mark Cerny said he believed an 8 TFlop GPU would be the minimum to push native 4K, in the context of the current gen (PS4) and PS4 Pro's 4.2 TFlop GPU with heavy reliance on checkerboard rendering (plus the ability to do double rate fp16) was what they went with in 2016 for the same $399 price OG PS4 launched at.
PS5 in Fall 2020 - at least a 12 TFlop GPU, coupled with a mobile version of the Zen 2 CPU and 24-32 GB GDDR6 RAM is the minimum I think we'll see.
Paulxo87
Member
You all can forget about your 60fps games. It's been possible to have 60fps since psone(omega boost comes to mind) at the expense of visual fidelity and openness of the world.
With the next generation you are going to see games target 4k resolution at 30fps with absolutely incredible fidelity. I really think that come 2020 we are going to be absolutely shocked at what the first batch of exclusive games will look like. We are going to be crossing a threshold into a more filmic CGI look which will completely change the way they feel when played
I don't think VR will be a built in thing. Like a fad it came and is already passing us by.
Blu ray drives will still be involved in both systems.
I don't see anything exotic at all about these systems. No tacked on gimmick. Just an evolution of what we have now and is that really a bad thing? I don't think so
Overall power? Probably ten times
With the next generation you are going to see games target 4k resolution at 30fps with absolutely incredible fidelity. I really think that come 2020 we are going to be absolutely shocked at what the first batch of exclusive games will look like. We are going to be crossing a threshold into a more filmic CGI look which will completely change the way they feel when played
I don't think VR will be a built in thing. Like a fad it came and is already passing us by.
Blu ray drives will still be involved in both systems.
I don't see anything exotic at all about these systems. No tacked on gimmick. Just an evolution of what we have now and is that really a bad thing? I don't think so
Overall power? Probably ten times
I expect we'll see them both in 2020/21
I expect the prices for both of them will not be for cheapskates and people expecting $399 consoles launches are out of luck. High premium and power, but the PS4 Pro and XB1X will still be supported.
Sony has a hard decision to make if it builds it's next console around VR. They have their own VR solution so why would they let Oculus or VIVE on their system?
I was surprised MS didn't take the bait and release their own solution, instead they let every and any potentially work on the XB1X. One of the more smarter decisions the company has made. In a gen where it began with plenty of bad ones.
I expect the prices for both of them will not be for cheapskates and people expecting $399 consoles launches are out of luck. High premium and power, but the PS4 Pro and XB1X will still be supported.
Sony has a hard decision to make if it builds it's next console around VR. They have their own VR solution so why would they let Oculus or VIVE on their system?
I was surprised MS didn't take the bait and release their own solution, instead they let every and any potentially work on the XB1X. One of the more smarter decisions the company has made. In a gen where it began with plenty of bad ones.
In a sense, I'd be completely satisfied with FF XII CG cutscene quality visuals in gameplay with tons of characters in motion, lots of post-processing effects and copious amounts of AA, always running at 60fps at 1080p.
(mild spoilers?) https://youtu.be/xC8i4jkmi5E?t=3m59s
I'd love to see some devs take that route with certain games on PS5/Xbox Next.
(mild spoilers?) https://youtu.be/xC8i4jkmi5E?t=3m59s
I'd love to see some devs take that route with certain games on PS5/Xbox Next.
JareBear: Remastered
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I mean, that would be great, but are those graphics capable on current mid-range PCs? Is the next gen gonna be that much more powerful than current mid-range PCs?
Assuming the goal is to spend 500 or less I think we may need to temper our expectations a bit
With all due respect physical media will NOT be on its deathbed. Physical media will always exist in some way shape or form.
JareBear: Remastered
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Agreed. Seeing advancements in mobile GPU and CPUs are much more exciting at this point. With a limited amount of battery capacity, processing power balance is always interesting to see and more efficient designs are the result. I think the switch 2 will see the vision that Nintendo and Nvidia has for their mobile tech fully realized.
Exactly.
I fully expect PS5 and NEXTBOX to both use BDXL drives, and Blu-ray discs with 128GB capacity. That's almost a no-brainer.
HTK
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PlayStation 5
- Native 4K
- 60FPS for majority of titles
- All games will be 4k w/ HDR
- 16GB of RAM
- 1 or 2TB HDD 7200 RPM (No SSD)
- AMD CPU 7nm x86
- 12TF GPU (AMD Radeon based graphics)
- FreeSync enabled
- Output will still be at 60hz
- USB Type C for DualShock 5
- DualShock 5 will keep all of the current buttons except the trackpad, with a new ergo design.Overall it will be very similar to DS4 and not a drastic departure.
- BC with all PS4/Pro games
- No Bluray UHD Drive like the PS4
- Likely to use new version of HDMI over DisplayPort
- Bluetooth 5.0
Side Note: 1st party titles that release 2qt of 2017 and in 2018 will be the last developed for PS4 in mind. Everything going forward will be with PS4/PS5 in mind. There are probably titles in development now for PS4/PS5.
Release Holiday 2019 or 2020 for $499
- Native 4K
- 60FPS for majority of titles
- All games will be 4k w/ HDR
- 16GB of RAM
- 1 or 2TB HDD 7200 RPM (No SSD)
- AMD CPU 7nm x86
- 12TF GPU (AMD Radeon based graphics)
- FreeSync enabled
- Output will still be at 60hz
- USB Type C for DualShock 5
- DualShock 5 will keep all of the current buttons except the trackpad, with a new ergo design.Overall it will be very similar to DS4 and not a drastic departure.
- BC with all PS4/Pro games
- No Bluray UHD Drive like the PS4
- Likely to use new version of HDMI over DisplayPort
- Bluetooth 5.0
Side Note: 1st party titles that release 2qt of 2017 and in 2018 will be the last developed for PS4 in mind. Everything going forward will be with PS4/PS5 in mind. There are probably titles in development now for PS4/PS5.
Release Holiday 2019 or 2020 for $499
llien
Member
If adored.tv is right, 7nm is closer than we think:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KEU6gk8N5yc
Yes please, with HDR becomming norm (don't care about resolution that much, my feeling is, they push more pixels at the cost of effects).
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KEU6gk8N5yc
Yes please, with HDR becomming norm (don't care about resolution that much, my feeling is, they push more pixels at the cost of effects).
Klik
Member
I think 16gb of RAM in total shared between OS,video memory and games is just on the borderline. You need 4gb for OS,6gb for VRAM so you left with just 6GB of ram for games. I think 12GB of ram for games,6gb for VRAM and 2-4gb for OS would be perfect for next generation of consoles considering it needs to last till about 2028. But i feel like,in the end, we won't get more than 16gb in total😐
Yeah no way Sony waits til 2021. Not later than November 2020.
Your Xbox ideas sound like an absolute mess. (maybe that's the intent?) After a gen where MS has been on the back foot from the off. They now have a more focused company line.
Can't really see them quitting the HW market. They've just made an excellently designed and balanced console and are working on it's successor.
There whole play anywhere thing means they don't need to get into steamboxes as PC gamers can build their own machines to suit their own power needs and budgets.
Xbox consoles will remain as more people will still want a console experience.
So in effect they get the best of both worlds. PC players who want the latest graphic cards and upgrades in their machines, but want to tinker with things and Console gamers who want power but also just want a plug and play solution.
If anything people should be asking why Sony games aren't on PC. Although I think PS Now on PC was them testing the waters to allowing actual DL Sony games to be used...
12Dannu123
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I disagree. I think that's an accurate thing to say other than XB getting out of hardware business. We will see some MS games other than Minecraft come to other platforms though. But I find it likely we will see Windows 10 PCs become XB consoles that can play XB software from the MS Store. We'll likely see dedicated Consoles as well from MS and OEMs.
Goalus
Member
I could imagine MS games on PS5 if it is possible to log into XBL from there, otherwise it won't happen. As long as Xbox is a thing, MS will never quit the hardware business. The success of the Surface line came with powerful and desirable hardware, and it will be no different with Xbox. That means that MS have to do it themselves.
EverydayBeast
thinks Halo Infinite is a new graphical benchmark
If not next gen than the gen after that I think we can expect a digital only, (no disc trey) console.