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Yagami_Sama
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(09-20-2017, 02:42 AM)
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Who will be the other Toro Rosso driver since Sainz is out ? Pierre Gasly is the best bet right ?
FrankCanada97
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(09-20-2017, 02:53 AM)
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Originally Posted by Yagami_Sama

Who will be the other Toro Rosso driver since Sainz is out ? Pierre Gasly is the best bet right ?

Yeah, Helmut Marko isn't particularly impressed with all of the other Red Bull juniors.
Fisico
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(09-20-2017, 04:18 AM)
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Won't Honda have any influence on the matter?
FrankCanada97
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(09-20-2017, 04:22 AM)
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Originally Posted by Fisico

Won't Honda have any influence on the matter?

Unless I'm mistaken, there aren't any Honda backed drivers that have enough superlicense points. Matsushita is the closest in F2, but it looks like he won't finish high enough in the championship to qualify.
Fisico
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(09-20-2017, 05:03 AM)
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Originally Posted by FrankCanada97

Unless I'm mistaken, there aren't any Honda backed drivers that have enough superlicense points. Matsushita is the closest in F2, but it looks like he won't finish high enough in the championship to qualify.

Oh so that thing really is important now?
Matsushita was a F2 driver for 3 years now so I figure he was qualified (not like I want him though)

Is there a ranking of all juniors drivers with enough superlicence points somewhere?

If Matsushita hasn't enough I think there are probably not so many young drivers that can qualify overall (30 maybe?)
FrankCanada97
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(09-20-2017, 05:30 AM)
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Originally Posted by Fisico

Oh so that thing really is important now?
Matsushita was a F2 driver for 3 years now so I figure he was qualified (not like I want him though)

Is there a ranking of all juniors drivers with enough superlicence points somewhere?

If Matsushita hasn't enough I think there are probably not so many young drivers that can qualify overall (30 maybe?)

Here's a list from the beginning of the year of all the drivers in the world who scored superlicense points. You need 40 for a superlicense.

http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/2017/01/2...oring-drivers/

It hasn't been updated up to now.
Fisico
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(09-20-2017, 08:40 AM)
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Originally Posted by FrankCanada97

Here's a list from the beginning of the year of all the drivers in the world who scored superlicense points. You need 40 for a superlicense.

http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/2017/01/2...oring-drivers/

It hasn't been updated up to now.

Thanks.
So 38 and less than half are young drivers
Tempy
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(09-20-2017, 09:10 AM)
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They can get an exception for Matsushita if they really want to.
xrnzaaas
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(09-20-2017, 09:49 AM)
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Some nice 2018 livery concepts with the halo included:
https://www.behance.net/gallery/5596...ivery-Concepts

That Force India (One) looks great.
Elvin Atombender
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(09-20-2017, 10:54 AM)
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Originally Posted by FrankCanada97

Joe Saward is predicting that Lando Norris will drive for Prema in F2. Sean Gelael being the second driver. I will be very disappointed that a team as professional as Prema is takes Gelael.

Wasn't there a rumour that the Gelael-family is buying Prema now that the Strolls don't need it to get Lance into F1 anymore?
Dan27
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(09-20-2017, 11:05 AM)
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Originally Posted by Fisico

Won't Honda have any influence on the matter?

Not without giving additional funding (aka the McLaren money) to the team.
bobnowhere
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(09-20-2017, 11:12 AM)
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Red Bull drivers with the newest member of the junior team, baby Horner.

Funny that the guy that's leaving is in the pic yet Kvyatt is missing.
ElectronicOldMen
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(09-20-2017, 11:25 AM)

Originally Posted by xrnzaaas

Some nice 2018 livery concepts with the halo included:
https://www.behance.net/gallery/5596...ivery-Concepts

That Force India (One) looks great.

The Haas has a kinda Stankonia album art vibe, I dig it.
Rolfgang
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(09-20-2017, 11:43 AM)
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Originally Posted by bobnowhere

Red Bull drivers with the newest member of the junior team, baby Horner.


Funny that the guy that's leaving is in the pic yet Kvyatt is missing.

Why is Sainz wearing Toro Rosso-stuff at a social event? :P
Psychotext
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(09-20-2017, 11:46 AM)
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Originally Posted by bobnowhere

Red Bull drivers with the newest member of the junior team, baby Horner.

lol, that does look like a mix of Horner and his missus. Fair play.
NHale
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(09-20-2017, 11:58 AM)
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Originally Posted by hadareud

We'll see.

In my opinion Vandoorne is hugely overrated.

Did Vandoorne need 4 seasons in GP2 to be crowned a champion?
kiyomi
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(09-20-2017, 12:13 PM)
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I'm praying for Kubica to go to Williams. That team hasn't had a major talent since Rosberg left. We need Massa to leave F1, when was the last really great performance from him? 2009? 2008?

Originally Posted by xrnzaaas

Some nice 2018 livery concepts with the halo included:
https://www.behance.net/gallery/5596...ivery-Concepts

That Force India (One) looks great.

God I fucking hate the halo.

A lot of these don't make much sense but the blue Williams one is nice. Certainly better than their current one which is very boring and stale at this point.
hadareud
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(09-20-2017, 12:40 PM)
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Originally Posted by NHale

Did Vandoorne need 4 seasons in GP2 to be crowned a champion?

Has Vandoorne shown anything this season to suggest he can compete with the best drivers?

He's 25 years old, he's not young anymore. Maybe he'll improve next season, who knows. I just think that considering Stroll is 7 years younger, he seems to have progressed quicker throughout the season than Vandoorne.

Vandoorne is less erratic and more consistent, but you'd expect that considering his age and experience. I believe Stroll has the bigger upside once he has a few more races under his belt.

He's no Verstappen, either, though.
John_B
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(09-20-2017, 12:58 PM)
Best Onboards | 2017 Singapore Grand Prix
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yJ8aCy7qIPI

Good stuff. I feel like the halo will ruin some of the awesomeness of these cars, but I think the FIA made a good case for how well it improves safety (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AYkGjUHstKY).
Dan27
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(09-20-2017, 01:03 PM)
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Originally Posted by hadareud

Has Vandoorne shown anything this season to suggest he can compete with the best drivers?

He's 25 years old, he's not young anymore. Maybe he'll improve next season, who knows. I just think that considering Stroll is 7 years younger, he seems to have progressed quicker throughout the season than Vandoorne.

Vandoorne is less erratic and more consistent, but you'd expect that considering his age and experience. I believe Stroll has the bigger upside once he has a few more races under his belt.

He's no Verstappen, either, though.

To be fair, Vandoorne is in a bucket of shit car. He's doing as good as you can do in that package.

I think he's a very good driver, but he's not a LeClerc. And LeClerc is clearly the brightest talent in GP2 since Hamilton IMO.
ramparter
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(09-20-2017, 01:22 PM)
Vandoorne's teammate is Alonso, Stroll's is Massa. Not even close.
Tempy
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(09-20-2017, 01:35 PM)
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Heidfeld and Rosenqvist staying at Mahindra. I guess no Indycar for Rosenqvist except for maybe the Indy 500?

http://www.gpupdate.net/en/autosport...ld-rosenqvist/
JadedWriter
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(09-20-2017, 01:50 PM)
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Originally Posted by Dan27

To be fair, Vandoorne is in a bucket of shit car. He's doing as good as you can do in that package.

I think he's a very good driver, but he's not a LeClerc. And LeClerc is clearly the brightest talent in GP2 since Hamilton IMO.

The same was said about Hulkenberg though, whom is good, but...well...no podiums is hurting...he did win LeMan's though. He really needs a better car or something.
valkyre
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(09-20-2017, 02:01 PM)
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Originally Posted by xrnzaaas

Some nice 2018 livery concepts with the halo included:
https://www.behance.net/gallery/5596...ivery-Concepts

That Force India (One) looks great.

I still cannot understand how the Halo is not impairing driver's vision... I honestly cant see how it doesnt affect things negatively on this aspect, blind spots etc.

And then it is just a matter of figuring out the % of accidents the introduction of Halo might cause due to vision impairment vs the benefits of protection against debris.

Sure the cars will be safer, but I believe we will have even more accidents.
John_B
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(09-20-2017, 02:09 PM)

Originally Posted by JadedWriter

The same was said about Hulkenberg though, whom is good, but...well...no podiums is hurting...he did win LeMan's though. He really needs a better car or something.

In the same car Perez was on the podium once in 2014, once in 2015 and twice in 2016. I prefer Perez over Hulk but I would say they are comparable on pace. More interesting would be to see both of them up against the top tier of Alonso, Hamilton and Vettel.
Fox Mulder
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(09-20-2017, 02:13 PM)
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Originally Posted by valkyre

I still cannot understand how the Halo is not impairing driver's vision... I honestly cant see how it doesnt affect things negatively on this aspect, blind spots etc.

And then it is just a matter of figuring out the % of accidents the introduction of Halo might cause due to vision impairment vs the benefits of protection against debris.

Sure the cars will be safer, but I believe we will have even more accidents.

Drivers look at apexes most of the time.

The halo is still shit and they are discussing keeping shark fins now for identification because driver helmets are blocked.

It's a done deal, but hopefully is quickly replaced. I just can't believe the halo is the best option they could come up with. How could a screen not work if built into to the chassis rather than being a bolted on after thought.
DBT85
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(09-20-2017, 02:29 PM)
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Originally Posted by valkyre

I still cannot understand how the Halo is not impairing driver's vision... I honestly cant see how it doesnt affect things negatively on this aspect, blind spots etc.

And then it is just a matter of figuring out the % of accidents the introduction of Halo might cause due to vision impairment vs the benefits of protection against debris.

Sure the cars will be safer, but I believe we will have even more accidents.

The central strut will blur out like the aerials and stuff do for the most part.
valkyre
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(09-20-2017, 02:31 PM)
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Originally Posted by Fox Mulder

Drivers look at apexes most of the time.

The halo is still shit and they are discussing keeping shark fins now for identification because driver helmets are blocked.

It's a done deal, but hopefully is quickly replaced. I just can't believe the halo is the best option they could come up with. How could a screen not work if built into to the chassis rather than being a bolted on after thought.

Driver's look at apexes, but when you are following a car bumper to bumper, when there is chaos around you like GP starts when there are bad weather conditions (just think about Singapore start) where cars are all over the place, I seriously cannot see how that thing wont cause issues.
Fisico
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(09-20-2017, 02:45 PM)
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Originally Posted by John_B

In the same car Perez was on the podium once in 2014, once in 2015 and twice in 2016. I prefer Perez over Hulk but I would say they are comparable on pace. More interesting would be to see both of them up against the top tier of Alonso, Hamilton and Vettel.

It's both skill and luck on that particular statistic, (almost?) every time Perez had a podium he had both at the same time, while I can think of a few times where Hulkenberg was especially unlucky on races where he could've get a podium.
Hell last week-end he should've definitely ended up 4th at worst, maybe 3rd was doable? Didn't see the whole race so can't say for sure.
JadedWriter
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(09-20-2017, 03:32 PM)
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Originally Posted by John_B

In the same car Perez was on the podium once in 2014, once in 2015 and twice in 2016. I prefer Perez over Hulk but I would say they are comparable on pace. More interesting would be to see both of them up against the top tier of Alonso, Hamilton and Vettel.

I actually like both, though seem to prefer Hulkenburg these days because he doesn't seem like the type to try to crash out his teammate, but Perez has the stats and seemingly better luck. I mean Bottas can barely handle Hamilton so...what would Hulk's prospects be?
Dan27
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(09-20-2017, 03:44 PM)
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I think the Hulk has done Hulk things in that Renault. He's clearly flattering that car. Palmer really hasn't been anywhere near him in conparison. Vandoorne has shown improvement and is close to Alonso after a shaky start to the year.

Re Halos, I'm only now getting somewhat used to them - although begrudgingly. It's too late for them to can that concept now - were just going to have to tolerate them until we see a more elegant solution.
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(09-20-2017, 03:57 PM)
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Originally Posted by Tempy

Heidfeld and Rosenqvist staying at Mahindra. I guess no Indycar for Rosenqvist except for maybe the Indy 500?

http://www.gpupdate.net/en/autosport...ld-rosenqvist/

Ganassi really wanted Rosenqvist, but apparently he couldn't get out of his Formula E contract. Ganassi is looking to sign Brendon Hartley for this year.
dl77
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(09-20-2017, 04:38 PM)
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Originally Posted by Dan27

I think the Hulk has done Hulk things in that Renault. He's clearly flattering that car. Palmer really hasn't been anywhere near him in conparison. Vandoorne has shown improvement and is close to Alonso after a shaky start to the year.

Is there another F1 series that I've been missing out on?!
Norwegian Rudo
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(09-20-2017, 06:13 PM)

Originally Posted by FrankCanada97

Ganassi really wanted Rosenqvist, but apparently he couldn't get out of his Formula E contract. Ganassi is looking to sign Brendon Hartley for this year.

Last I heard (a few weeks ago) Ganassi needed a driver who brought more money than Felix does. Hartley has also tested for Venturi recently and has stated he wants to continue his relationship with Porsche.
brotkasten
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(09-20-2017, 08:32 PM)

Originally Posted by Dan27

Re Halos, I'm only now getting somewhat used to them - although begrudgingly. It's too late for them to can that concept now - were just going to have to tolerate them until we see a more elegant solution.

If we can get through stepped noses and penis noses, we'll do just fine with a year of halos on the cars.

dubc35
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Haha the duckbill platypi and thatsapenis.gif years. good (read: bad) times...aesthetically and lift and coasting.
JDB
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(09-20-2017, 09:33 PM)
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Originally Posted by brotkasten

If we can get through stepped noses and penis noses, we'll do just fine with a year of halos on the cars.

Aside from the green one those still look miles better than the Halo.
Ark
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(09-20-2017, 09:42 PM)
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Originally Posted by JDB

Aside from the green one those still look miles better than the Halo.

Not even close :l
grandmastashi
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(09-20-2017, 09:45 PM)
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I personally think choice to use the Halo should be down to the individual driver - if they want to run it great, but if they don't no harm no foul.
JDB
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(09-20-2017, 09:45 PM)
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I kinda like the stepped noses.
DBT85
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(09-20-2017, 09:52 PM)
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Originally Posted by grandmastashi

I personally think choice to use the Halo should be down to the individual driver - if they want to run it great, but if they don't no harm no foul.

As with everything, you can't leave it up to the driver. They will more often than not do whatever they need to go faster. If that means dropping xkg of titanium off the car in order to do so they will. That's why this stuff is always regulated and not "well, if you'd like to be safe, do this".
Aiii
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(09-20-2017, 09:56 PM)
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Originally Posted by grandmastashi

I personally think choice to use the Halo should be down to the individual driver - if they want to run it great, but if they don't no harm no foul.

No harm until someone is gravely injured or dead, sure, great idea.
Dr.Phibes
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(09-20-2017, 09:59 PM)
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Originally Posted by Aiii

No harm until someone is gravely injured or dead, sure, great idea.

Yep. And if you really think about it, mandatory helmets are kinda stupid.
grandmastashi
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(09-20-2017, 09:59 PM)
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Originally Posted by DBT85

As with everything, you can't leave it up to the driver. They will more often than not do whatever they need to go faster. If that means dropping xkg of titanium off the car in order to do so they will. That's why this stuff is always regulated and not "well, if you'd like to be safe, do this".

I get that, I just think the whole thing has been so poorly conceived and rushed that this was one scenario where it should be up to the individual as concept is so polarising.
grandmastashi
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(09-20-2017, 10:06 PM)
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Originally Posted by Aiii

No harm until someone is gravely injured or dead, sure, great idea.

And exactly the same can be said if a car overturns on fire and the Halo traps someone inside.
Aiii
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(09-20-2017, 10:10 PM)
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-No, nvm.
Dr.Phibes
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(09-20-2017, 10:19 PM)
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Originally Posted by grandmastashi

And exactly the same can be said if a car overturns on fire and the Halo traps someone inside.

You do know that there are plenty of non open cockpit race cars around, do you?
FrankCanada97
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(09-20-2017, 10:22 PM)
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I'm no safety engineer, but wouldn't a halo give more space to move in the cockpit if a car gets overturned?

Fox Mulder
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(09-20-2017, 10:24 PM)
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Originally Posted by FrankCanada97

I'm no safety engineer, but wouldn't a halo give more space to move in the cockpit if a car gets overturned?

The FIA said it would likely lean one way or the other in their tests or whatever and give drivers room to get out.
Aiii
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(09-20-2017, 10:25 PM)
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Originally Posted by FrankCanada97

I'm no safety engineer, but wouldn't a halo give more space to move in the cockpit if a car gets overturned?

[img]https://images.cdn.circlesix.co/image/2/1200/630/5/uploads/posts/2017/08/ed6e2b16d7595d202b21a7ac21468bba.jpg[img]

I believe in most cases the car will be on an angle on its side, with the halo. It certainly is much less likely to bury itself, or rather the driver, into a barrier

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