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Very Berry Sunday
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(11-14-2017, 08:03 AM)
https://help.ea.com/en/contact-us/?p...battlefront-ii

Thanks to Reddit for the awareness. Why pre-order from EA?

Originally Posted by Typhares

-Progression based lootboxes are in the game.
-Takes a lot of grinding to unlock anything.
-The lootboxes allow you to get star cards that have a direct consequence on gameplay, meaning someone on the same skill level as you if they paid money will win (at similar game time).
-The thing that really sent this in a shitstorm was that it took 40 hours of grinding to unlock ONE hero (Luke or Vader) and that is if you don't spend the currency on lootboxes to get the previously mentioned cards.

-EA now reduced the cost of heroes by 75%
-Seems like they cut the campaign reward by 75% too
And I'd recommend reading this:
https://www.reddit.com/r/StarWarsBat...tell_you_what/

Xaero Gravity
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(11-14-2017, 08:13 AM)
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Nah.
JaffeLion
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(11-14-2017, 08:18 AM)
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done. thanks
llien
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(11-14-2017, 08:53 AM)
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@OP
Context for those who missed major news about BF2?
Very Berry Sunday
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(11-14-2017, 08:59 AM)

Originally Posted by llien

@OP
Context for those who missed major news about BF2?

It’ll take 40 hours of gameplay or $260 worth of loot crates to unlock one of the main characters in Star Wars.
golfham
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(11-14-2017, 09:02 AM)
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Why on earth would anyone buy an EA game? They only make shit these days. They’ve destroyed so many good gaming companies and franchises. I will never buy their games ever.
Typhares
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(11-14-2017, 09:04 AM)
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Originally Posted by llien

@OP
Context for those who missed major news about BF2?

-Progression based lootboxes are in the game.
-Takes a lot of grinding to unlock anything.
-The lootboxes allow you to get star cards that have a direct consequence on gameplay, meaning someone on the same skill level as you if they paid money will win (at similar game time).
-The thing that really sent this in a shitstorm was that it took 40 hours of grinding to unlock ONE hero (Luke or Vader) and that is if you don't spend the currency on lootboxes to get the previously mentioned cards.

-EA now reduced the cost of heroes by 75%
-Seems like they cut the campaign reward by 75% too
And I'd recommend reading this:
https://www.reddit.com/r/StarWarsBat...tell_you_what/
Rated-Rsuperstar
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(11-14-2017, 09:24 AM)
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Keeping my preorder. If people wanna waste their money on loot boxes. That's their choice.
Gamezone
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(11-14-2017, 09:32 AM)
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I never preordered it. What should I do?
jadedm17
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(11-14-2017, 09:36 AM)
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Originally Posted by Rated-Rsuperstar

Keeping my preorder. If people wanna waste their money on loot boxes. That's their choice.

Agreed, but this isn't funky color gun lines Gears of War 4, this is stuff that directly makes someone of similar skill and more money much harder to defeat; It's a monetary edge.

For comparison my $30 of "loot boxes" in Destiny 2 have netted me some fun colors and silly dances, nothing that helps kill anyone easier.

If you still think you'll get your money's worth I won't judge you, but the current system is insanely broken: The best part is even at 10 hours to unlock you have to not buy any other thing.
JaffeLion
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(11-14-2017, 09:40 AM)
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Originally Posted by Rated-Rsuperstar

Keeping my preorder. If people wanna waste their money on loot boxes. That's their choice.

the problem is, that the changed the same so that the game is basically forcing you to buy those loot boxes, unless you love farming for 40 hours.
Neff
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(11-14-2017, 09:46 AM)
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I can't believe it's taken people this long to get vocally pissed off with pay to win.
JSoup
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(11-14-2017, 09:47 AM)
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Originally Posted by Gamezone

I never preordered it. What should I do?

Pre-order it, post here to let us know, then cancel it.
bourgeois
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(11-14-2017, 09:49 AM)
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Originally Posted by golfham

Why on earth would anyone buy an EA game?

Because Battlefield is still great.
Rated-Rsuperstar
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(11-14-2017, 10:03 AM)
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Originally Posted by jadedm17

Agreed, but this isn't funky color gun lines Gears of War 4, this is stuff that directly makes someone of similar skill and more money much harder to defeat; It's a monetary edge.

For comparison my $30 of "loot boxes" in Destiny 2 have netted me some fun colors and silly dances, nothing that helps kill anyone easier.

If you still think you'll get your money's worth I won't judge you, but the current system is insanely broken: The best part is even at 10 hours to unlock you have to not buy any other thing.

Battlefield and battlefront are primarily objective based games. So someone paying lots of money for a random chance to maybe get a better star card doesnt mean much to me when kdr doesnt matter. And I'm gonna spend a majority of my time running around as a stormtrooper with a blaster. All these unlocks don't send me into a rage like it does with most people posting on gaming forums. Dice is a good developer. Battlefield 1 is an excellent game that only keeps getting better. If battlefront has balancing issues, or other problems dice has been good at addressing them.

Hell if loot boxes is this games biggest problem I'd say that's a win. Cod ww2 has been out for 2 weeks and matches are basically unplayable because the biggest franchise in the world can't bother to have stable netcode.

Edit - Upon thinking more. I'm not gonna deny that there's an off chance someone can drop 5 bucks on a crate and get a legendary luke Skywalker with better stats. But its still random. You have to ask yourself, how many people out there would spend a substantial amount of money for the off chance of a random good drop. You can't just go on there and buy the best gear for a set price. And dice have even said you have to play the game and level up before you can even use certain stuff.
Shifty.
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(11-14-2017, 10:04 AM)
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Originally Posted by Typhares

-EA now reduced the cost of heroes by 75%
-Seems like they cut the campaign reward by 75% too
And I'd recommend reading this:
https://www.reddit.com/r/StarWarsBat...tell_you_what/

That whole 'outdating the outrage' idea is really insidious, and pretty much exactly what I'd expect from EA or any other AAA that has a vested interest in anti-consumer bullshit.
TwiztidElf
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(11-14-2017, 10:09 AM)
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Originally Posted by golfham

Why on earth would anyone buy an EA game? They only make shit these days. They’ve destroyed so many good gaming companies and franchises. I will never buy their games ever.

Yep. All I can recall is fishing Titanfall2 and PVZGW out of the bargain bin.
I think my last full price EA game was NHL09.
DaleCooper
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(11-14-2017, 12:18 PM)
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Originally Posted by Xaero Gravity

Nah.

This. With gamerclub and some certificates and coupon for trading old battlefront in the game will cost me 5 bucks. Can't wait
royox
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(11-14-2017, 12:25 PM)
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Nah, gonna blast all the scrubs that need to pay to even stand a chance against me.
Rhetorical Question
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(11-14-2017, 12:29 PM)
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I am so happy that there isn't a single EA game out there, or even in development, that I care about. I need to preorder that game, just to cancel it.
Memorabilia
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(11-14-2017, 12:39 PM)
Unfortunately, I feel kinda stuck with my BB pre-order bc I bit on the trade-in bonus for an extra $10 in addition to the trade-in value of my copy of Battlefront 1. If I cancel, I only got $2.40 trade-in value which I'll get back on a gift card. Lol With the extra $10 that's $12.40 trade-in which isn't half bad considering I only paid $15 for BF1. With GCU + $10 pre-Oder bonus and the $12.40 trade-in that drops the purchase price to like ~$27 or so. Which isn't too bad. I figure if I tire of it quickly I just trade it in at Gamestop or something and probably at least break even.
Doctor Strange
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(11-14-2017, 12:41 PM)
I'm keeping my preorder because I'm not going to blindly follow a mob. EA will continue to tweak the user experience overtime based on player feedback. This is a nonissue.
Nipo
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(11-14-2017, 12:42 PM)

Originally Posted by Rated-Rsuperstar

Keeping my preorder. If people wanna waste their money on loot boxes. That's their choice.

If you enjoy wasting your time farming items more power to you. Time=money.
wolgoen
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(11-14-2017, 12:42 PM)

Originally Posted by Shifty.

That whole 'outdating the outrage' idea is really insidious, and pretty much exactly what I'd expect from EA or any other AAA that has a vested interest in anti-consumer bullshit.

This exists in every industry across the globe, every day.

Money makes the world go round. Plus it gets the fat cats their yachts, holiday homes, flash cars etc etc etc etc etc etc etc etc etc etc etc
Mr Moose
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(11-14-2017, 12:44 PM)
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I cancelled my pre-order during the beta, but I'll re-pre-order and cancel it again to show my er... Support.
royox
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(11-14-2017, 01:10 PM)
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Originally Posted by Nipo

If you enjoy wasting your time farming items more power to you. Time=money.

Wait wait wait...so now it's bad seen to have to PLAY a game to unlock stuff?
DonF
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(11-14-2017, 01:26 PM)
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Originally Posted by royox

Wait wait wait...so now it's bad seen to have to PLAY a game to unlock stuff?

Jackfrags, who in the past has been paid to promote multiple EA games, made a video about the progression system.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BXwe0garDsE

Basically, you have to play a considerable amount of time (not skill dependent) to unlock emblematic heroes of the franchise, like luke and darth vader.
Then heroes, classes and vehicles have upgrades that you also have to unlock with more play time, these upgrades are CLEAR improvement to the character, with no downsides.
People have calculated that just to unlock Luke, you had to play close to 40 hours, now the credits requirement has been lowered, but that means that to unlock Luke you have to play close to 10 hours, just to unlock him, thats another 10 hours for Vader.
Then you have to play lots more hours to unlock their upgrades.
Or...you can always pay.
Thats the thing, the progression system is more akin to f2p models, in a $60+ game. The game is clearly designed to veer people to pay more, pay for microtransactions.

Other clear giveaway, you can only earn 500 credits per day in a certain mode (arcade I think) that would mean you would have to play for 20 days just to unlock Vader.

And lastly, the requirements to unlock heroes were lowered, but now the rewards for playing the single player were lowered in the same percentage.

So no, its not like old COD progression, where you have to play to unlock things, its designed so that you PAY to unlock things or play way too much time.
royox
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(11-14-2017, 01:33 PM)
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Originally Posted by DonF

Jackfrags, who in the past has been paid to promote multiple EA games, made a video about the progression system.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BXwe0garDsE

Basically, you have to play a considerable amount of time (not skill dependent) to unlock emblematic heroes of the franchise, like luke and darth vader.
Then heroes, classes and vehicles have upgrades that you also have to unlock with more play time, these upgrades are CLEAR improvement to the character, with no downsides.
People have calculated that just to unlock Luke, you had to play close to 40 hours, now the credits requirement has been lowered, but that means that to unlock Luke you have to play close to 10 hours, just to unlock him, thats another 10 hours for Vader.
Then you have to play lots more hours to unlock their upgrades.
Or...you can always pay.
Thats the thing, the progression system is more akin to f2p models, in a $60+ game. The game is clearly designed to veer people to pay more, pay for microtransactions.

Other clear giveaway, you can only earn 500 credits per day in a certain mode (arcade I think) that would mean you would have to play for 20 days just to unlock Vader.

And lastly, the requirements to unlock heroes were lowered, but now the rewards for playing the single player were lowered in the same percentage.

So no, its not like old COD progression, where you have to play to unlock things, its designed so that you PAY to unlock things or play way too much time.

But important stuff like weapons and epic star cards can only be adquired by crafting or completing archievements. I don't see anything wrong with that.

I mean...of course i don't like lootboxes and this stuff...but it's much better than releasing a 60€ game and then a 50€ season pass with new maps, heroes and weapons. At least in BF2 they won't split the players.
Nipo
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(11-14-2017, 01:35 PM)

Originally Posted by royox

Wait wait wait...so now it's bad seen to have to PLAY a game to unlock stuff?

Overwatch gets it right. Classes, characters and weapons unlocked from the start cosmetics earned by playing. Otherwise skill isn't the deciding factor it is who can waste more time unlocking something or who is willing to spend more to unlock it.
Woo-Fu
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(11-14-2017, 01:37 PM)
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Originally Posted by Rated-Rsuperstar


Edit - Upon thinking more. I'm not gonna deny that there's an off chance someone can drop 5 bucks on a crate and get a legendary luke Skywalker with better stats. But its still random. You have to ask yourself, how many people out there would spend a substantial amount of money for the off chance of a random good drop. You can't just go on there and buy the best gear for a set price. And dice have even said you have to play the game and level up before you can even use certain stuff.

They're not going to drop $5. They're going to drop as much as it takes to max out the stats/abilities of whatever class they prefer.

Anybody who doesn't do that will be at a competitive disadvantage, indefinitely. It is disgusting.

They've said they'll try to matchmake the whales with each other but when they don't have enough some poor suckers are going to be chosen to fill out that match. They're obviously not going to make their highest paying customers have higher queue times than the people who simply bought the game and expected a level playing field.

I usually don't go in for full boycotts but in this case I'm never buying another EA game until they decide providing a level playing field is important. They've crossed a fairly significant line on this one. If the average consumer is OK with it then look forward to a future where every competitive game from a large publisher is pay to win from day one.
ShirAhava
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(11-14-2017, 01:37 PM)
Loot crates aside I'm still in shock the gunplay is worst than the first game

I was gonna get a PS4 Pro and the most expensive edition of the game if
they only kept the gameplay the same

At least my wallet is happy
Carlius
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(11-14-2017, 01:46 PM)
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Originally Posted by Xaero Gravity

Nah.

I see. You support this kind of bs. I see.
royox
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(11-14-2017, 01:47 PM)
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Isn't people overreacting a bit about the game? I mean...a guy just posted this on a famous spanish forum


Poco mas de 9 horas de trial en mi juego sin pagar un duro:

Transl: "a bit less than 9 hours of trial without paying anything"



https://www.elotrolado.net/viewtopic.php?p=1744830557

Guy has an epic card, 2 level 3's, almost 20k credits and lvl19 on this class.

MAYBE, just MAYBE, it's not AS BAD as we think?


edit: sigh I feel like I am the "EA defense force" but i'm just a star wars fan that wants to blast droids T.T
Carlius
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(11-14-2017, 01:48 PM)
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Originally Posted by Doctor Strange

I'm keeping my preorder because I'm not going to blindly follow a mob. EA will continue to tweak the user experience overtime based on player feedback. This is a nonissue.

Oh so you support this kind of bs and believe ea rather than the "mob"? Lol
JONEZZEEonGAF
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(11-14-2017, 01:49 PM)
I played for 1 hour this morning before work and i have 12k credits.
Carlius
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(11-14-2017, 01:50 PM)
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Originally Posted by Rated-Rsuperstar

Keeping my preorder. If people wanna waste their money on loot boxes. That's their choice.

Maybe ull make a thread about it when ppl who pay to win kill you all over cause they have an advantage.
Einhandr
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(11-14-2017, 01:58 PM)
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Originally Posted by JONEZZEEonGAF

I played for 1 hour this morning before work and i have 12k credits.

And with the reduced credit cost you’ve almost enough credits to unlock Luke or Vader.
Lancelot
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(11-14-2017, 01:59 PM)
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Just done too, thanks for saving me time.
Woo-Fu
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(11-14-2017, 02:04 PM)
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Originally Posted by royox

Isn't people overreacting a bit about the game? I mean...a guy just posted this on a famous spanish forum

Guy has an epic card, 2 level 3's, almost 20k credits and lvl19 on this class.

MAYBE, just MAYBE, it's not AS BAD as we think?


edit: sigh I feel like I am the "EA defense force" but i'm just a star wars fan that wants to blast droids T.T

Looks just as bad to me. Doesn't matter how much time he spent, the people who pay to win spent a hell of a lot less and got a hell of a lot more.

Pay to win systems are inherently wrong with respect to competition.

Oh, and they know you are a Star Wars fan and that there are lots of them out there who will put up with anything to get their Star Wars fix. That's why they're using this game to firmly step across the pay to win line. If they tried it with any competitive game that didn't have a firmly established fanbase the game would be dead on arrival.
Woodchipper
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(11-14-2017, 02:08 PM)
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Originally Posted by golfham

Why on earth would anyone buy an EA game? They only make shit these days. They’ve destroyed so many good gaming companies and franchises. I will never buy their games ever.

.
royox
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(11-14-2017, 02:13 PM)
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Originally Posted by Woo-Fu

Looks just as bad to me. Doesn't matter how much time he spent, the people who pay to win spent a hell of a lot less and got a hell of a lot more.

You can't get epic cards from lootboxes and you only can craft them after reaching some kind of rank.
You can't get most of the weapons from lootboxes. They require an specific rank and archievements unlocked.

I mean...it's bad but not as bad as I thought it would be after reading some tantrum threads.
BANGS
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(11-14-2017, 02:20 PM)
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Originally Posted by Gamezone

I never preordered it. What should I do?

Buy a physical copy and then return it, sealed...
BANGS
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(11-14-2017, 02:21 PM)
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The worst part of this all is that shitty players get the same amount of points per game as good players, meaning there is no incentive to actually git gud... Just sit back and collect your loot boxes for 4000 hours...
DonF
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(11-14-2017, 02:22 PM)
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Originally Posted by royox

But important stuff like weapons and epic star cards can only be adquired by crafting or completing archievements. I don't see anything wrong with that.

I mean...of course i don't like lootboxes and this stuff...but it's much better than releasing a 60€ game and then a 50€ season pass with new maps, heroes and weapons. At least in BF2 they won't split the players.

The same EA + respawn did titanfall II. TF II had free maps (although way less maps than TF1's paid DLC) and no loot boxes, but paid cosmetics. The bad thing is that TFII launched close to cod and bf1 and wasn't as successful.
They should've stuck to TFII progression and microtransactions model, but no, they are doin the door in the face thing. They designed a bad system, they showed the people a worse system, and then dial it back to the bad system, and people feel like they won something.
Typhares
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(11-14-2017, 02:37 PM)
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My main issue is that they are pushing the boundaries using the same strategy as always.

-Make something that everyone thinks is outrageous
-Everyone complains
-Make a small tweak but leave the actual system in place
-People calm down
-Now the system is accepted as 'normal'
-Makes something even more outrageous on top

Rince and repeat!

It started with cosmetic stuff, DLC, cheat codes, most people were against all this being paid for instead of unlockable like it used to. Who knows where it will end.
BANGS
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(11-14-2017, 02:40 PM)
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Originally Posted by Typhares

My main issue is that they are pushing the boundaries using the same strategy as always.

-Make something that everyone thinks is outrageous
-Everyone complains
-Make a small tweak but leave the actual system in place
-People calm down
-Now the system is accepted as 'normal'
-Makes something even more outrageous on top

Rince and repeat!

It started with cosmetic stuff, DLC, cheat codes, most people were against all this being paid for instead of unlockable like it used to. Who knows where it will end.

And sadly the same shills have been defending it the whole time despite it getting objectively worse over time...

But yes this is the strategy. Make it look like they did us a favor by toning back slightly on the bullshit...
Fuz
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(11-14-2017, 03:27 PM)
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Originally Posted by Typhares

My main issue is that they are pushing the boundaries using the same strategy as always.

-Make something that everyone thinks is outrageous
-Everyone complains
-Make a small tweak but leave the actual system in place
-People calm down
-Now the system is accepted as 'normal'
-Makes something even more outrageous on top

Rince and repeat!

It started with cosmetic stuff, DLC, cheat codes, most people were against all this being paid for instead of unlockable like it used to. Who knows where it will end.

Gamers never learn.
b0bbyJ03
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(11-14-2017, 03:55 PM)
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I wish i had preordered just so that I could cancel. lol.
RoboFu
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(11-14-2017, 04:00 PM)
I only want to play the single player game and so far that has been great. So nope keeping my preorder.
Formula12
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(11-14-2017, 04:10 PM)
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Originally Posted by DonF

Jackfrags, who in the past has been paid to promote multiple EA games, made a video about the progression system.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BXwe0garDsE

Basically, you have to play a considerable amount of time (not skill dependent) to unlock emblematic heroes of the franchise, like luke and darth vader.
Then heroes, classes and vehicles have upgrades that you also have to unlock with more play time, these upgrades are CLEAR improvement to the character, with no downsides.
People have calculated that just to unlock Luke, you had to play close to 40 hours, now the credits requirement has been lowered, but that means that to unlock Luke you have to play close to 10 hours, just to unlock him, thats another 10 hours for Vader.
Then you have to play lots more hours to unlock their upgrades.
Or...you can always pay.
Thats the thing, the progression system is more akin to f2p models, in a $60+ game. The game is clearly designed to veer people to pay more, pay for microtransactions.

Other clear giveaway, you can only earn 500 credits per day in a certain mode (arcade I think) that would mean you would have to play for 20 days just to unlock Vader.

And lastly, the requirements to unlock heroes were lowered, but now the rewards for playing the single player were lowered in the same percentage.

So no, its not like old COD progression, where you have to play to unlock things, its designed so that you PAY to unlock things or play way too much time.

I agree with him i don't believe the pay to win advantage you receive from crates is larger enough to stop buying the game. People forget the season pass is gone so kind of have to accept a minimal downside. If someone can prove the pay to win advantage is massive only then will i join the club against this.

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