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Dark Souls II (PS3/360/PC) - Edge Magazine details (Prepare yourself)
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It's probably more like,
Namco: You have to work on project X
Miyazaki: I know, I sure wish I could work on Dark Souls 2
Namco: You can watch or something.
Miyazaki: Okay
Miyazaki doesn't work for Namco, he works for From Software. Whatever game he is working on next might not have anything to do with Namco.
Yeah, that too.
Kneejerk reactions aside, I'll try to remain cautiously optimistic about this.
hydrophilic attack
Member
That is Atlus's own damn fault for not having offices in Europe.
Especially with Atlus's recent stand on region locking, I would have hated for them to go with Atlus.
And it's not like Namco didn't do anything for Demon's Souls. They did for Demon's Souls in europe what Atlus did for it in America.
Phonomezer
Banned
I couldn't imagine playing it in public, crimes would be inadvertently committed.
Not to say that DS was flawless, but i bet some of those "flaws" in enemy behaviour were deliberate.
The level design in the Capra Demon stage HAS to be made that way, so you can try and play around with his AI.
I think this is a big part of what makes Dark Souls actually not that a frustrating game, yes it's punishing if you don't pay attention, but you can still work around a lot of systems to become untouchable.
I think it's a cool thing.
Hmmmmmmm I'm a bit worried about this. The subtlety of the story was something I liked best about both Demon's and Dark Souls - it actually allowed me to use my imagination. I'm also really concerned about it getting dumbed down. Certainly some things could be less tedious (like item management), but the gameplay is absolutely perfect. It's engaging, intelligent, and one of the few games where there's not a single cheap moment.
True enough.
I imagine it's somewhat likely though, with both Souls and AC having Namco Bandai involvement. We will find out eventually I suppose.
? the OP says the directors have nothing to do with MonHun.
The Return of
Banned
Interested in seeing how the game turns out. Don't really care too much about them trying to top Dark Souls, but just want something good
Sir Ilpalazzo
Member
The Shibuya who's directing Dark Souls 2 is not the Shibuya who worked on Monster Hunter. Even if he was, the Monster Hunter Shibuya was from a studio hired to do art and probably never came near game design.
decoyplatypus
Member
What are the chances we eventually get the details behind the decision to push Miyazaki aside?
"There is another Tomohiro Shibuya on Mobygames who is a graphic artist at D.A.G., a studio Capcom contracts for graphical work on some of their games. He is not the same person. "
Ah, confusion indeed. Was just going on the initial reports, but at least that is now cleared up.
Well, I guess we just have to wait and see, but I seriously doubt From will shit all over what they have established. They can make certain aspects easier to understand and add a bit more of a story without ruining the gameplay, and I will trust them until I see evidence that proves otherwise.
Edge is full of shit about the graphics, unless that in-game screenshot we have is misleading.
Pie and Beans
Look for me on the local news, I'll be the guy arrested for trying to burn down a Nintendo exec's house.
I have such a terrible feeling about this. It makes me sad GAF. Really sad
There is still hope, but I am hearing way too many wrong things. I hope they don't take one of few hardcore games left away from the audience it found and succeeded with.
Maybe Miyazaki is working on Demon's Souls 2/Vita eh!
There is still hope, but I am hearing way too many wrong things. I hope they don't take one of few hardcore games left away from the audience it found and succeeded with.
Maybe Miyazaki is working on Demon's Souls 2/Vita eh!
Yeah, I think it's going to come down to how competent of a director this guy is. I've never played or even seen footage of an ACE game (and I'm assuming a lot of this fan base hasn't either) so I have no idea what to expect.
Whatevs though, I'm not invested in this franchise anymore. I'm an old From Software fart anyway. I still prefer Demon's Souls to Dark Souls. I preferred it when From didn't know what they had on their hands (Demon's Souls). They made a game that they wanted to make and that was it. Now they've got all of this pressure to one up the big boys and it's just tarnishing the whole scene for me. I know a lot of people divorce themselves from this sort of shit, but I can't. Dark Souls did a lot right and it's a cool game, but I'm just not liking how this is all playing out. This shit is getting too big for its own good. If From messes up, they'll mess up.
Visualante2
Member
I mean they admit they played it on a laptop, yet their 1313 coverage said that it was running on a high end PC with 3 high end graphics cards.
Leona Lewis
Banned
Oh, didn't know Namco published the first one in Europe.
The whole business side of this series is such a hilarious series of missed opportunities, heh. Good thing it worked out this way though. More exposure = bigger audience = more Souls.
lolz, he could have been making those ACE games for 500 years and I would not care.
Now...Miyazaki being forced off the franchise is worrisome. I guess Dark Souls had a disappointing performance compared to Namco's expectations.
startyourengine
Member
MidnightCowboy
Member
Namco is going to fuck this up for everyone
I always thought it was sad that Namco did the publishing. If From couldn't handle it themselves I'd have had rather them stuck with Atlus. I've actually never been sure why they didn't. I'm less concerned with From messing it up than Namco. I wouldn't call Namco incompetent this generation, but I think Atlus has been far superior in the overall quality of released titles.
Hydrophilic Attack said:
Oh, interesting. Didn't know that. Thanks for the clarification.
Ghost_Protocol
Member
This is the only thing that worries me:
The fuck is this? FFXIII?
The fuck is this? FFXIII?
It could just be a somewhat extended version of how Demon's Souls started. Like maybe an hour or so before the main game, in a journey leading up to it. It's much better than dumbing down the whole game or adding an easy mode.
Best thing they could have done is just kept quiet on wanting to make some aspects less cryptic and let the footage and eventual hands-on previews speak for the game. Now, the doom and gloom snowball effect will keep on rolling until the game is out, and then we will have the inevitable backlash from people who had the seeds of "it's just not going to be the same" sown in their mind from day one.
"God's Beard!"
Member
For people complaining about accessibility changes, how many of you understood the covenant system without ever looking at wikis or someone telling you about them? Purely from gameplay. How many of you that played Demon's Souls thought world tendency was a good idea that added to their gameplay without ever looking up what it did?
aka the DmC effect
aka the DmC effect
Ghost_Protocol
Member
Where's the best place to pick up this issue of edge in stores?
All the characters will be replaced by annoying as fuck emo teenagers. At one point you'll fight a giant undead zombie mother who births an unending string of dead babies. She'll talk trash to you before you fight her and will say "moms are tough!"
By the way is it me or does Dark Souls have the best dead baby joke of any videogame?
Auto_aim1
MeisaMcCaffrey
I don't mind the things they've done to make the game more accessible, but I hope they don't change the core formula too much. The "action oriented" part in the OP worries me a bit; maybe they removed Miyazaki from the project because his design choices weren't compatible with what Namco had in mind? I guess I'll wait for some more info.
a secret-boss
Banned
Sounds like corporate decided who will helm this game.
I'm not optimistic.
I'm not optimistic.
Or maybe he just wanted to make something new. That's the silver lining here I guess.
It's all a matter of how much they will streamline it, ofcourse.
BUT for me part of the fun actually came from that community wanking that was going on with the game, discovering things together, made it resonate more with me and it was actually the only enjoyable and fun thing that i ultimately took off of Lost (the TV show), discussing it week after week, although the show itself was rather lame.
They can provide a more clear storyline and game in general without destroying it, i wouldn't argue against that, but to remain vague was, for me, part of what made it fun and eerie.
Not understanding everything on the first 2 or so playthroughs etc.
All covenants but Nito's are fairly straight forward.I agree if they can have something like word tendency in Dark Souls 2 and explain it better.Another thing that can be explained better wen you hit the select button on the stats menus is a better example of what it does rather than "this parameter boost strength" " etc etc
I don't understand. Why call it Dark Souls 2 if you want it to be something different? I understand brand recognition, but it's like if Sony made the Playstation 4 one of those speak and spell game machines. Dark Souls wasn't called Demon's Souls 2.
Thus I will give them the benefit of the doubt.
Thus I will give them the benefit of the doubt.
Auto_aim1
MeisaMcCaffrey
Well duckroll's post above mentions that Miyazaki was a bit sad about not being able to work on this game.
Looks like a forced move to me. Hope it all works out but it seems to me that with the addition of new directors and the "action oriented" approach, they are targeting the wider market this time around. I'm a bit worried tbh.
DR2K
Banned
In FFXIII you never experienced a Final Fantasy.
good, hopefully no fixes will be needed this time
Those details sound great. As long as they don't completely ruin some of the subtle charm of the Souls games, I'm up for them making certain things more accessible and straight-forward. The covenant system needs some in-game explanations so I don't have to keep going on the wiki.
I trust the Dark Souls team and I'm sure they won't ruin the core mechanics that make the game so good.
I trust the Dark Souls team and I'm sure they won't ruin the core mechanics that make the game so good.
GotchaForce
Member
I put about 30 hours into both before getting super lost/frustrated. Better graphics and easier to understand? I'm excited!
I believe Sony owns the Demon's Souls brand which is why they couldn't use it since they wanted to go multi-platform.
this. Now that Dark Souls is a brand, marketing is going to dicate game design. They will have their charts, focus groups, sales projections, blah blah. And it usually works. Far Cry 2 took risks and didn't pander, and many hated it. Far Cry 3 does all the things players seem to want (giant hud for dummies, no confusion, make player feel powerful, challenge free combat, in your face dumbass story, etc), and the reception to fc3 was way better.
I'm of the school though, that thinks the best gaming experiences are from games that take risks and where a developer has some kind of vision of what he wants to make and the freedom and $ to do it. Demon's Souls was special for that reason.
SatelliteOfLove
Member
Anyone else get the icky feeling Scamco (hey, it's that term again!) dropped a whooooooooole lot of dough on From's table with caveats?
Avarice is an never-satisfied hunger, ladies and gentlemen.
Avarice is an never-satisfied hunger, ladies and gentlemen.