Oh s** it's unbelievable to still read this kind of comment / reaction for the same kind of somewhat stupid article or so called "study".
Thank you!
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Wii U Speculation Thread The Third: Casting Dreams in The Castle of Miyamoto
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Oh s** it's unbelievable to still read this kind of comment / reaction for the same kind of somewhat stupid article or so called "study".
Thank you!
Well I apologize for my "stupid comment".
I expect Nintendo to at least try to make a $40 - $50 profit per console sold.
With investors breathing down Nintendo's neck, Nintendo will make sure Wii U makes a profit and not just break even on costs.
ColdBlooder
Banned
Hold your horses there! Nintendo usually NEVER gives release dates for new handhelds/consoles on E3. I'm not saying it wont happen. Maybe they will, but they havent in the past, so chances aren't exactly very high for that happening...
Would Nintendo take a modular approach to Wii U later in it's life cycle? Say the tablet controller isn't a hit, which I think is a fair possibility.
Aside from having the Wii remotes being compatible, Nintendo could use the power of the Wii U as the base for their future ideas. I don't think that the fate of the console rests on the shoulders of the tablet.
That sort of led nowhere, but it was on my mind.
Aside from having the Wii remotes being compatible, Nintendo could use the power of the Wii U as the base for their future ideas. I don't think that the fate of the console rests on the shoulders of the tablet.
That sort of led nowhere, but it was on my mind.
Also, at least here in europe, their service is incedible fast.
Send my defect wii out on a monday, had a new one on friday. I was thinking more like two weeks or more. That was a pleasent surprise.
My launch Wii worked perfectly until TLS double layer disc arrived few weeks ago. Cleaning the lens was enough. Really happy about it, honeslty.
Especially considering my disadventures with my two 360s...
About the cost-price: I really hope they avoid the same mistake done with the 3ds, placing the "package" at the right price (to me Wii at 250 with remote-nunchak + wii sport was good, 3DS at the same price, not so good - to me the right price should have been 200 at launch).
I'd prefer a console more powerful than the Wii compared to the future competitors, with a cost of 300 , but I could also accept another Wii-like console (power-wise) at 250 , if there are games supporting it. At 350 probably I'll wait in any case, indipendently from the power or the games.
As I did for the HD twins (I'm not necessarily an addicted of launch-purchase)
Especially considering my disadventures with my two 360s...
About the cost-price: I really hope they avoid the same mistake done with the 3ds, placing the "package" at the right price (to me Wii at 250 with remote-nunchak + wii sport was good, 3DS at the same price, not so good - to me the right price should have been 200 at launch).
I'd prefer a console more powerful than the Wii compared to the future competitors, with a cost of 300 , but I could also accept another Wii-like console (power-wise) at 250 , if there are games supporting it. At 350 probably I'll wait in any case, indipendently from the power or the games.
As I did for the HD twins (I'm not necessarily an addicted of launch-purchase)
I could see it.
axisofweevils
Holy crap! Today's real megaton is that more than two people can have the same first name.
Weirdest thing is, in a IGN test, the Vita's cameras were even worse - same resolution - slightly blurrier - plus, they don't have the 3D gimmick going on.
http://m.ign.com/articles/1166820
And they didn't announce 3DS's launch date or price at E3 because 3DS was not coming out in 2010. They only wanted to focus on stuff coming out for holiday season 2010.
The Wii U is coming out THIS YEAR. Big difference.
ColdBlooder
Banned
The Wii launched 2006. No launch details were given E3 2006...
Every console has a different situation.
I think people shouldn't keep using the Wii as an example of how Nintendo will handle Wii U.
Wii U is under criticism by analysts and more importantly, investors. They need to let the cat out of the bag on all information.
I expect them to handle announcements slightly differently than Wii's 2006 E3.
R
Rösti
Unconfirmed Member
Exactly. Price and launch date were given at the Wii preview event on the 14th of September 2006.
http://press.nintendo.com/object?id=10345
Username: guest
Password: nintendo
One thing I have also noticed about the press site is that it is relatively difficult to find any Wii U information there. There's nothing on front page and E3 2011 doesn't even appear in the event listings (you find it if you search though). Of course there is the press kit supplied at E3 2011, but I don't find any link to that on Nintendo's media server: http://media.nintendo.com/pressroom/E32011/index.html
Ahahahaha.
Hero of Legend
Member
Speaking of Measure Up, people shouldn't measure the Wiimote, because they'll complain that it's not four inches longer.
*shot*
*shot*
AceBandage
Banned
But dev kits are not retail kits. And even then things can change between now and when they start production. Saying they have a BoM now is ridiculous.
blu
Wants the largest console games publisher to avoid Nintendo's platforms.
It's not the resolution.
I agree. Nintendo were seriously taking the piss with those cameras. It was downright offensive tbh.
Plinko
Wildcard berths that can't beat teams without a winning record should have homefield advantage
If they're dumb enough to do it they'll deserve to have another bomba launch.
It's 100% unequivocal bullshit. It's ludicrous to even humor it. Hell, these sorts of BoMs of retail available products are heavily laced with estimation and speculation.
axisofweevils
Holy crap! Today's real megaton is that more than two people can have the same first name.
Here we go again!
http://mynintendonews.com/2012/04/0...ring-detailed-system-to-retail-for-under-300/
To my shame, I didn't realise the exact same rumour was posted above. Facepalm.
http://mynintendonews.com/2012/04/0...ring-detailed-system-to-retail-for-under-300/
axisofweevils
Holy crap! Today's real megaton is that more than two people can have the same first name.
Yeah it still baffles me how MS got away with that bullshit. I would have expected a massive class action lawsuit or the appropriate authorities to nail their balls to the wall but no one did. Especially not journalists. They fawned over it like it was the second coming of the messiah all the while calling Nintendo a bunch of has-beens.
AceBandage
Banned
When?
Also...
Why are people taking this as fact? Some no name site looking for hits makes up a rumor. Whoopty doo.
axisofweevils
Holy crap! Today's real megaton is that more than two people can have the same first name.
Same goes for the abysmal Vita Heaven. The only place where I've seen comments saying it sucked was on NeoGAF. If Nintendo had dared do something similar in Nintendo Direct, there would be hell to pay.
Nah, it's just a rumor. A shitty rumour but eh
axisofweevils
Holy crap! Today's real megaton is that more than two people can have the same first name.
But it's an anonymous source with close ties to Nintendo. It has to be true.
But isn't that how Wii U news goes Ace? Anonymous info is taken for fact and info from public people is ignored? It's the 'new games journalism'!!
bgassassin
Member
Shame on you for not looking a few posts ago.
I think he's referring to Iwata's comment on deciding whether or not they will sell at a loss.
axisofweevils
Holy crap! Today's real megaton is that more than two people can have the same first name.
I just updated my post with an apology to that effect. Sorry.
It's actually believable, though. The worst kind of rumors.
-Pyromaniac-
Member
DON'T BE SORRY JUST DON'T DO IT AGAIN
axisofweevils
Holy crap! Today's real megaton is that more than two people can have the same first name.
Nintendo to make obscene profit from underpowered hardware confirmed!
bgassassin
Member
It happens, no big deal.
Yep. In the end though I still believe that in all it's going be around $350 on Nintendo's end.
Not really. $180 BoM, plus manufacturing, packaging, documentation, logistics, tax and retailer markup -> ~$300 at retail. Seems sound.
ColdBlooder
Banned
I really want to start a rumor about something, let everyone report it and then come out a week later and say: "Haha, it was me! Folled you all!"
Just to prove how easy you can get those "journalists" to report something...
I would spread the rumor that the Xbox720 forces you to use Kinect on its dashboard to save battery on the new controller,. because the HD screen uses so much of it
Just to prove how easy you can get those "journalists" to report something...
I would spread the rumor that the Xbox720 forces you to use Kinect on its dashboard to save battery on the new controller,. because the HD screen uses so much of it
axisofweevils
Holy crap! Today's real megaton is that more than two people can have the same first name.
Yep. I was being sarcastic, but it won't be long before someone claims that - for real.
ShockingAlberto
Member
I assume it will be $300 with some stuff to make it seem like more of a deal.
Find Mii, a Wiimote+, a charging dock, etc.
Find Mii, a Wiimote+, a charging dock, etc.
frankie_baby
Member
A bill of materials on the controller should be pretty easyto do as we pretty much know what it contains and about 50 bucks we've heard before but seeing as we have little information on the machine itself they just pulled it out of their ass
nordique
Member
In some aspects yeah. But at the same time, is related to costs. For example, the Vita has the same camera-resolution (.3MP at 640x480).
Guess both now that the cameras main use are usually secondaries and for small AR games; so save some of the costs with that.
There was a bit of talk earlier about releasing HD versions of Gamecube games via download, and it's something I've been thinking about for a while, so I figure I may as well post my thoughts on the matter.
First, though, a bit about the Virtual Console on Wii U in general.
Virtual Console
There's no technical reason why the entire Wii VC collection shouldn't be available day one on the Wii U. The console is backwards compatible with Wii software, and all the VC games are Wii software. Hopefully they'll have the full lot on day 1 (it'd be a good selling point), and then upgrade them with save states/etc. later on, as they're doing with the 3DS ambassador games. I am a little worried that they'll redo the emulation from scratch, though, and we'll end up waiting years for everything again. Either way, I'd imagine transferring purchases from the Wii is pretty much certain, given that they did it from DSi to 3DS.
Furthermore, there's pretty much nothing stopping Gamecube games appearing on the Virtual Console right from the start. The Wii backwards compatibility again means Gamecube games will be almost trivially easy to get running on the console. They're undoubtedly going to phase the releases out over a few years, but there's no reason not to see a couple of Gamecube games appearing on the Virtual Console every week. I'd say it's extremely likely we'll see Wii games on the Virtual Console too, but not until physical sales dry up, a year or two after launch perhaps.
A wonderful (although very unlikely) VC feature would be to share GB/GBC/GBA/NES/SNES/etc. VC purchases across both the 3DS and Wii U, and to feature cloud saves to sync progress between them. Hell, you could even include DS games in that list, although I shudder to think what some of the 3D ones would look like when blown up to 50".
In general, the VC shop on Wii U (and the Wii U eShop in general) needs to be much better laid out, a lot faster to navigate, and with full-screen screenshots and videos for all games. The 3DS eShop is a big improvement in this regard (although still not fast enough for my likings), and hopefully they can make the most of the HD screen and touchscreen. Also, they really need to start doing sales on the eShop. Steam-style daily deals would be a great way to promote lesser-known titles.
Virtual Console Plus (or HD Classics)
While regular VC games are effectively ROM-dumps, my thought for HD versions would be to treat them as ports, with (obviously) 1080p/60fps support with widescreen/AA/AF/etc., but also with added features taking advantage of the Wii U pad and other Wii U features (the obvious example would be Zelda games with the inventory and soforth on the touchscreen). While the name HD Classics would fit with the 3DS's 3D Classics, I feel that the name Virtual Console Plus would better emphasize that it's more than just HD visuals that have been added.
The ports shouldn't take too long, perhaps a couple of months each with a small team (preferably including at least one or two of the original developers). CPU code for Gamecube and Wii should run without too much trouble on the Wii U, so it would mainly be a matter of porting TEV code over to the Wii U's GPU architecture. Given that ATi/AMD designed both, they should be able to provide guidelines for the porting process. Redoing menus/UI elements in HD and getting stuff running on the touchscreen shouldn't be too labour intensive either.
To get an idea of what I'm thinking of, here are a few potential VC+ games that I think would work pretty well:
Zelda: The Wind Waker
The obvious one. The game looks great on Dolphin, but it'd be so much nicer to have an official, glitch-free HD version of the game to play on a big-screen TV.
Extra features: Inventory, maps and so-forth on the touchscreen. Also, touchscreen Tingle Tuner!
Mario Galaxy/Mario Galaxy 2
Would look glorious in HD. Due to the limited (but necessary) use of the pointer in each game they'd be limited to Wiimote control, hence no touchscreen stuff, though.
Extra features: Not really sure. Perhaps some co-op mode where the second player uses the Wii U pad somehow?
Metroid Prime/MP2/MP3
Sweet, sweet Metroid. You know Retro would be happy to handle these, as they volunteered to do MP Trilogy on the Wii.
Extra features: Choice of Wiimote/Upad controls. Use of touchscreen as map, or as an augmented reality visor. Would be sweet if Retro could add fancy modern lighting effects to really heighten the atmosphere as well.
F-Zero GX
If you don't want to play this in HD you really need your head examined.
Extra features: A long shot, but online multiplayer would be wonderful, as would (and this is an even longer shot) a track editor on the touchscreen. Also, while I don't expect Nintendo to go for 3D in any of their own games, this is one I'd like them to make an exception for.
Star Wars: Rogue Leader/Rebel Strike
It's sad that Factor 5 aren't around any more to make a sequel to these, but perhaps Nintendo could hire a few of them on a contract basis to make VC+ versions of two of the most technically impressive games of the SD era.
Extra features: Four-player co-op, competitive multiplayer. Use of the touchscreen as a radar and AR targeting computer.
Killer 7
To my eternal shame I've never actually played this, but I can imagine it would look great in HD.
Extra features: Damn if I know.
Resident Evil 4
I know there are already HD versions for PS360, but it would be great to have a version with options for both Wiimote controls and classic controls.
Extra features: Inventory on touchscreen.
and soforth.
There are probably two inevitable questions at this stage. Firstly, where are the N64 games? While I'd love to see some N64 games on VC+ (sweet jesus F-Zero X with the 64DD track editor would be glorious), they're generally not going to hold up as well in HD and they'd be a lot more difficult to port, due to the N64's crazy architecture. It'd basically be a whole lot of effort for very little gain, especially when you consider that VC versions of N64 games can run at higher resolutions anyway.
The second question is likely to be: Why go the downloadable route, why not retail releases? Basically, while HD Mario and Zelda retail collections would sell like gangbusters, I can't really see the same thing being true for many other games. Even if the cost of making a HD version of, say, Killer 7 might be pretty low, the costs of printing, distribution etc. would make a retail release infeasible considering it's a niche game. With DD, though, a wide audience can be reached at very little cost, and pretty much every penny from sales goes straight to Nintendo/the publishers, allowing the port to break even much more quickly.
To get a retail presence for the more popular VC+ games, Nintendo could sell game-specific download cards at shops. The NFC cards would come in a mini version of the Wii U game case, and all people would have to do would be to wave the card in front of the controller and the game would start downloading. It would both keep retailers happy and at the same time provide a way to transition customers to digital distribution.
In fact, to encourage people to buy a Wii U brand hard-drive to store all these games, they could include a popular VC+ title pre-loaded onto the hard-drive as an incentive. I know if they included, say, Wind Waker+ on a Wii U hard-drive and said you wouldn't be able to get it any other way for at least 6 months, I'd definitely pony up the (most likely quite high) mark-up over other hard-drives.
With decent planning, I'm sure Nintendo could get one VC+ game out each month, and that would give them quite a few years of releases, and higher profile ones could perhaps help fill some gaps in their retail release schedule.
First, though, a bit about the Virtual Console on Wii U in general.
Virtual Console
There's no technical reason why the entire Wii VC collection shouldn't be available day one on the Wii U. The console is backwards compatible with Wii software, and all the VC games are Wii software. Hopefully they'll have the full lot on day 1 (it'd be a good selling point), and then upgrade them with save states/etc. later on, as they're doing with the 3DS ambassador games. I am a little worried that they'll redo the emulation from scratch, though, and we'll end up waiting years for everything again. Either way, I'd imagine transferring purchases from the Wii is pretty much certain, given that they did it from DSi to 3DS.
Furthermore, there's pretty much nothing stopping Gamecube games appearing on the Virtual Console right from the start. The Wii backwards compatibility again means Gamecube games will be almost trivially easy to get running on the console. They're undoubtedly going to phase the releases out over a few years, but there's no reason not to see a couple of Gamecube games appearing on the Virtual Console every week. I'd say it's extremely likely we'll see Wii games on the Virtual Console too, but not until physical sales dry up, a year or two after launch perhaps.
A wonderful (although very unlikely) VC feature would be to share GB/GBC/GBA/NES/SNES/etc. VC purchases across both the 3DS and Wii U, and to feature cloud saves to sync progress between them. Hell, you could even include DS games in that list, although I shudder to think what some of the 3D ones would look like when blown up to 50".
In general, the VC shop on Wii U (and the Wii U eShop in general) needs to be much better laid out, a lot faster to navigate, and with full-screen screenshots and videos for all games. The 3DS eShop is a big improvement in this regard (although still not fast enough for my likings), and hopefully they can make the most of the HD screen and touchscreen. Also, they really need to start doing sales on the eShop. Steam-style daily deals would be a great way to promote lesser-known titles.
Virtual Console Plus (or HD Classics)
While regular VC games are effectively ROM-dumps, my thought for HD versions would be to treat them as ports, with (obviously) 1080p/60fps support with widescreen/AA/AF/etc., but also with added features taking advantage of the Wii U pad and other Wii U features (the obvious example would be Zelda games with the inventory and soforth on the touchscreen). While the name HD Classics would fit with the 3DS's 3D Classics, I feel that the name Virtual Console Plus would better emphasize that it's more than just HD visuals that have been added.
The ports shouldn't take too long, perhaps a couple of months each with a small team (preferably including at least one or two of the original developers). CPU code for Gamecube and Wii should run without too much trouble on the Wii U, so it would mainly be a matter of porting TEV code over to the Wii U's GPU architecture. Given that ATi/AMD designed both, they should be able to provide guidelines for the porting process. Redoing menus/UI elements in HD and getting stuff running on the touchscreen shouldn't be too labour intensive either.
To get an idea of what I'm thinking of, here are a few potential VC+ games that I think would work pretty well:
Zelda: The Wind Waker
The obvious one. The game looks great on Dolphin, but it'd be so much nicer to have an official, glitch-free HD version of the game to play on a big-screen TV.
Extra features: Inventory, maps and so-forth on the touchscreen. Also, touchscreen Tingle Tuner!
Mario Galaxy/Mario Galaxy 2
Would look glorious in HD. Due to the limited (but necessary) use of the pointer in each game they'd be limited to Wiimote control, hence no touchscreen stuff, though.
Extra features: Not really sure. Perhaps some co-op mode where the second player uses the Wii U pad somehow?
Metroid Prime/MP2/MP3
Sweet, sweet Metroid. You know Retro would be happy to handle these, as they volunteered to do MP Trilogy on the Wii.
Extra features: Choice of Wiimote/Upad controls. Use of touchscreen as map, or as an augmented reality visor. Would be sweet if Retro could add fancy modern lighting effects to really heighten the atmosphere as well.
F-Zero GX
If you don't want to play this in HD you really need your head examined.
Extra features: A long shot, but online multiplayer would be wonderful, as would (and this is an even longer shot) a track editor on the touchscreen. Also, while I don't expect Nintendo to go for 3D in any of their own games, this is one I'd like them to make an exception for.
Star Wars: Rogue Leader/Rebel Strike
It's sad that Factor 5 aren't around any more to make a sequel to these, but perhaps Nintendo could hire a few of them on a contract basis to make VC+ versions of two of the most technically impressive games of the SD era.
Extra features: Four-player co-op, competitive multiplayer. Use of the touchscreen as a radar and AR targeting computer.
Killer 7
To my eternal shame I've never actually played this, but I can imagine it would look great in HD.
Extra features: Damn if I know.
Resident Evil 4
I know there are already HD versions for PS360, but it would be great to have a version with options for both Wiimote controls and classic controls.
Extra features: Inventory on touchscreen.
and soforth.
There are probably two inevitable questions at this stage. Firstly, where are the N64 games? While I'd love to see some N64 games on VC+ (sweet jesus F-Zero X with the 64DD track editor would be glorious), they're generally not going to hold up as well in HD and they'd be a lot more difficult to port, due to the N64's crazy architecture. It'd basically be a whole lot of effort for very little gain, especially when you consider that VC versions of N64 games can run at higher resolutions anyway.
The second question is likely to be: Why go the downloadable route, why not retail releases? Basically, while HD Mario and Zelda retail collections would sell like gangbusters, I can't really see the same thing being true for many other games. Even if the cost of making a HD version of, say, Killer 7 might be pretty low, the costs of printing, distribution etc. would make a retail release infeasible considering it's a niche game. With DD, though, a wide audience can be reached at very little cost, and pretty much every penny from sales goes straight to Nintendo/the publishers, allowing the port to break even much more quickly.
To get a retail presence for the more popular VC+ games, Nintendo could sell game-specific download cards at shops. The NFC cards would come in a mini version of the Wii U game case, and all people would have to do would be to wave the card in front of the controller and the game would start downloading. It would both keep retailers happy and at the same time provide a way to transition customers to digital distribution.
In fact, to encourage people to buy a Wii U brand hard-drive to store all these games, they could include a popular VC+ title pre-loaded onto the hard-drive as an incentive. I know if they included, say, Wind Waker+ on a Wii U hard-drive and said you wouldn't be able to get it any other way for at least 6 months, I'd definitely pony up the (most likely quite high) mark-up over other hard-drives.
With decent planning, I'm sure Nintendo could get one VC+ game out each month, and that would give them quite a few years of releases, and higher profile ones could perhaps help fill some gaps in their retail release schedule.
Plinko
Wildcard berths that can't beat teams without a winning record should have homefield advantage
I really want to start a rumor about something, let everyone report it and then come out a week later and say: "Haha, it was me! Folled you all!"
Just to prove how easy you gen get those "journalists" to report something...
I would spread the rumor that the Xbox720 forces you to use Kinect on its dashboard to save battery on the new controller,. because the HD screen uses so much of it
Hey--if it's on GAF, it's apparently 50/50 according to Nintendo World Report.
ColdBlooder
Banned
This is propably where the whole "online purchase" thing is going. You could even promote those store sales easily. Just enable the "card buyers" to download it a week or two earlier before its available in the eshop without a download card.
Heck another example could be "deluxe editions" of sequels on Wii-U. Lets say Darksiders 1 would be announced als a DL title at launch. The "Deluxe" edition of Darksiders 2 for Wii U could have a card for a free download packed in. Making the "Deluxe pack" a bit cheaper than the 2 seperate purchases!
*pheu* typing this took forever, lol. don't know why...
jump_button
Banned
Well sites shouldn't post speculation and rumour as news
TheGreatMightyPoo
Banned
As far as I am concerned, everything is a rumor unless it comes from Nintendo.
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