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Square-Enix Registers FinalFantasyXIII-3.com... [2 Year Schedule Note]
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At this point, is there any chance FFXV is being developped by another team?
Is anyone familiar with S-E's developement teams structure? Do we know if everyone is busy?
-Nomura's team (KH, KH2, Advent Children) is on Versus XIII
-Toriyama's team (X-2, XIII) is on FFXIII-2 and MAYBE XIII-3 after.
-I believe there's an Osaka team (KH: BBS?) working on KH3D? What did they work on before?
-FFXI's team is still working on XIV, Minagawa being part of it too.
-Tabata's team (Crisis Core) is working on Type-0
Where's the remnants of the XII team? Where's Kawazu? Where's Ito? Do these two still have their own teams? Which team worked for the Tactics Ogre remake?
Who were responsible for Dissidia?
Is anyone familiar with S-E's developement teams structure? Do we know if everyone is busy?
-Nomura's team (KH, KH2, Advent Children) is on Versus XIII
-Toriyama's team (X-2, XIII) is on FFXIII-2 and MAYBE XIII-3 after.
-I believe there's an Osaka team (KH: BBS?) working on KH3D? What did they work on before?
-FFXI's team is still working on XIV, Minagawa being part of it too.
-Tabata's team (Crisis Core) is working on Type-0
Where's the remnants of the XII team? Where's Kawazu? Where's Ito? Do these two still have their own teams? Which team worked for the Tactics Ogre remake?
Who were responsible for Dissidia?
Anticitizen One
Banned
I thought FF 13 was phenomenal. I hope we get FF XIII-4
chaosblade
Unconfirmed Member
I'd love to think Ito is on it since he hasn't done anything in a while, as far as I know. But it will probably be the XIII team again, for PS4/NextBox.Reveirg said:
immortal-joe
Member
When devs are talking about re-using assets to speed up development, I always figured they would be talking about taking bits and pieces from one game to use in the creation of a second game from a different series.
These dudes on the other hand, are using the "same assets" to prolong the same fucking series, one which they must know does not receive that much demand, not even in Japan.
Fucking Wada
These dudes on the other hand, are using the "same assets" to prolong the same fucking series, one which they must know does not receive that much demand, not even in Japan.
Fucking Wada
Reveirg said:
The Osaka team also did the ReCoM remake to PS2 and yes they are the team developing 3D which is why alot of people who played BBS are exicted for it.
Dissidia had it's own team that did both Dissidia and 012 if I remember right. I could see them doing a Remaster for PS3 of the Dissidia games or working on 3DS or a Vita project.
Perfo
Thirteen flew over the cuckoo's nest
RaijinFY said:
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2,5 ml per title in a trilogy it's 7,5 ml in six years, against the 4-5 millions they're doing now from FFXII. Other benifits: less budget to develop, more brand's image. 4-5 I can't see that happening, maybe with the first entry... but with the two sequels you have to halve that (that's the amount I expect from XIII-2). I think they're aiming in creating a business similar to Bioware somehow. It works, why not trying.
So let me get this straight: you actually think it's more acceptable for a studio to reuse assets from a game to make a completely different game, instead of a direct sequel which is expanding on its world and lore? And what does Wada have to do with this? Smh.immortal-joe said:
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Perfo said:
Errr, it's not like these FFXIII sequels are free to make. So they manage to maybe sell 7.5m copies total for three games, but it still costs a lot of money to make and market each title.
Jason's Ultimatum
Member
Man, I'd rather have a sequel to FFVII, VIII, or IX.
Napalm_Frank
Member
What have you done!
Rahxephon91
Banned
Man I really liked the cast of XIII. I thought it was the most well rounded cast Ive seen. Not most memorable or best though.
Unknown One
Member
Well FFXIII has the worst FF cast ever. Only Sahz was likable. It looks like I won't be playing any new FF for a while. I bet this game will somehow release before VS as well.
I don't mind another XIII sequel. I enjoyed XIII (damn the haters), the 2nd game looks very promising (again, damn the haters) so why not another foray into that world?
The only thing SE now has to do is rename "vs XIII" to XV (it's such a big game, why not make it an official mainline entry), publish it in 2012/2013 and we can close the book on this console generation.
The only thing SE now has to do is rename "vs XIII" to XV (it's such a big game, why not make it an official mainline entry), publish it in 2012/2013 and we can close the book on this console generation.
Nostalgia~4ever
Banned
they're milking the wrong game.
should of made FFVIII-2 and -3 instead
should of made FFVIII-2 and -3 instead
Lionheart
I've always wanted a game were you play as Ultimecia on her rise to what she is in VIII. Would be cool because it could be playing as a villain yet not because of how she is treated on the way up and the game could end right when Squall and comp walk in.Nostalgia~4ever said:
God I need to let that dream go.
Jason's Ultimatum
Member
Kyoufu said:
I forgot. I'm sick and had a long day of work.
Scratch that. I'd rather have a sequel to FFVIII.
I feel this is just cautionary to do with domain names now a days due to stuff like this...
Activision Loses Another Call of Duty URL, This Time for Modern Warfare 4
Or as most have posted here I feel they may see this as a trilogy as they seem to be popular in the west and with so many characters and world this could be used to make more games in the series. Also it could be as someone said it could be a Versus XIII title rename to keep the hype out here for it since it takes place in the same universe but, that would be odd to me cause Versus XIII ain't multiplatform and people who don't know about much in the series would be confused as to why the "3rd" game in the series is a PS3 only game. But hey anything is possible with Square now a days right?
Activision Loses Another Call of Duty URL, This Time for Modern Warfare 4
Or as most have posted here I feel they may see this as a trilogy as they seem to be popular in the west and with so many characters and world this could be used to make more games in the series. Also it could be as someone said it could be a Versus XIII title rename to keep the hype out here for it since it takes place in the same universe but, that would be odd to me cause Versus XIII ain't multiplatform and people who don't know about much in the series would be confused as to why the "3rd" game in the series is a PS3 only game. But hey anything is possible with Square now a days right?
immortal-joe
Member
Zanasea said:
Should have been clearer - when I said bits and pieces I referring to a lighting model, physics engine..etc. Anything that can make the development of another game less costly and more efficient.
Basically I would have wanted them to take the engine they built in FFXIII and create something else with it; anything, but don't stretch out the same series and pretend you were asked to do so.
And as for Wada, he was the man in charge throughout the XIII's cluster-fuck development cycle. He overlooked the birth of their in-house engine to go forward with multi-platform development, and where did that get them???
Rahxephon91
Banned
Thanks and you're a douchebag.sublimit said:
Wada was also the one in chage were they had multpile different games sell a million units across the two handheld platforms as well as the best selling Dragon Quest ever.immortal-joe said:
No company president doesn't make mistakes in the industry and the fact is the VS Team was moved over to help finish XIII so we know that Wada wasn't pleased with how things were turning out so he did put his foot down.
immortal-joe
Member
TruePrime said:
I'l give him that - shifting the teams around to focus on FXIII at the time was the right way to go, but I don't see much sense in stretching the series anymore.
How about shifting the teams towards Versus; focus on that console game right now. Meanwhile, you will have plenty of opportunities to gain more success from the portable market.
We don't know whats going on with that. Thing is XIII-2 was announced so quickly and we knew they had a bunch of extra content so with a much reduced time frame for release and not needing an engine to be built it could be very well that it was best to have them go the XIII-2 route.immortal-joe said:
That said once the game is finished Wada might order exactly that kind of senario with them helping on VS, or maybe he won't. I have no idea we will have to wait to see how things go during the next year.
Are you going to post anything beyond dumb .gifs? Not to be a dick or anything but it's frustrating when someoone just says they like XIII and it's followed up by this kinda stuff.Verendus said:
It would be one thing if they said they were flat better and everyone who thinks so is wrong.
Rahxephon91
Banned
Hey a non argument. I guess I should expect this from the person that stated FFXIII was a failure when it came to the money making busniess and then couldn't actually back up that argument.Verendus said:
immortal-joe
Member
TruePrime said:
Maybe some investors were tired of the long dev cycles and wanted to see some return sooner rather than later.
I hate to bring this up, but in a business sense, they really should have just gone with a FFVII remake. Seriously, there was just no possible scenario where that would fail.
I remember Famitsu (or Dengeki) made this survey in Japan back in 07/08 where they asked readers who their favorite character was. Sitting right behind mario at #2 was fucking Cloud Strife - sums it up right there.
Anywho I'l l stop here cause I think this is a topic for another thread.
Honestly I just want Squeenix to start following a more efficient dev cycle that allows for one or two "Bushido Balde" or "Einhader" games for every "Final Fantasy" or "Dragon Quest".
DiipuSurotu
Banned
Ito said "please be looking forward to our future games" in an FFXII International ZJS interview. If he really got the boot, he didn't seem to have expected it.RaijinFY said:
People put way to much stock into the Seven remake idea.immortal-joe said:
The fact is that the vast majority of Remake has ever done as well or better then the game it was originally.
As it stands FF XII and XIII did between 4-5 million units and going down with each game.
So as it stands they aren't getting new buyers and while some may come in or even grab old players you still have all those people who played it and wouldn't want to buy it again.
Not to mention FF VII was outdone by X if I remember right so it's not even number 1 and can be beaten so they are better off going with new products and trying to do better then VII then a VII remake which would almost assuredly do worse then the original.
Maybe we should take you back to school and teach you how to comprehend the written word. Shall we define the difference between poorly (relative to its previous entries if I remember the argument you're referring to) and failure? Maybe also teach you context so you actually understand what you read.Rahxephon91 said:
Seriously, let's be blunt here. If you like the cast, then why does it seemingly anger you so much if people respond in such a manner? You should own up to your taste and not take every little jab in jest as a personal attack. That's a sign that you're not comfortable about your own taste, bad as it is. Not very healthy.
FFXIII has a shitty cast which certainly isn't well-rounded. At least not by any respectable measure. You can say you like it, but let's not take the piss here. They're one note characters each given a specific role. They're all involved, but that doesn't make them well-rounded. Or maybe, we'll have to explain that concept to you also. You shouldn't be surprised with someone having an incredulous reaction to such an inane comment.
If anything, you probably need a timeout. Reading your posts when defending this game always makes it seem like you're full of rage and just waiting to explode on your monitor or something. Lack of tact, a self-admitted asshole (can see the appeal of this when behind a monitor screen), always seething, it's not healthy. Just saying.
If FF13-2 is a quality title, fixes the issues many players had with 13, and is an overall satisfying product (say 90+ metacritic), I am sure it will sell 3 million WW.
If SE is truly committed to making a 13-3, they must have faith that the title will do just that. We will find out soon enough either way.
If SE is truly committed to making a 13-3, they must have faith that the title will do just that. We will find out soon enough either way.
Rahxephon91
Banned
The thing about your little argument is that your post here has nothing to with anything. When anyone gave an actual reason or explanation that the it wasn't unsuccessful you simply ignored it. No I gave you reasons as to why even if it sold less then x it wasn't a failure and that saying it was poor in relation to others wasn't correct. You simply ignored it. You were wrong then.Verendus said:
Fine I don't care if you don't like the game, but that was your soul reason to say it was unsuccessful. When faced with an actual argument you ran and hide.
My taste aren't bad and it's annoying to be judged because I happen to have a diffrent opinion on one subject. I don't do that to other posters here so it annoys me.
But even here instead of actually trying to have an argument you just attempt to be an asshole and push your opinion.
The characters are fine.What respectable messasure? How about video games the thing XIII is. So compared to it's peers it is. The characters are all developed and each of their possibly one note presonas seen and explored. They all have development and u learn everything about each character. That is pretty much not true for most games where characters no matter how shallow aren't even developed enough to be one note. Fine you don't like them, dosent change what I said. Nor do you say anything to disprove it.
Well rounded? Fine a poor choice of words on my part. But even if is(probably is) this post of yours dosent engage or say anything other then stating your opinion. That's the annoying part. You tag quote without attempting explanation. It's annoying and pissess me off. I wouldn't be driven to be an asshole myself if you simply responded "yo I disagree so and so and maybe here's why". Contempt only breeds more contempt. I sound angry? Sure. What do you come off as then? A pompous asshole. Fine, I come off as a mad dog, I at least I admit it and when push comes to shove I wil back up my opinion. So obviously I have no shame in it.
If you compare the characters to XII a game where half the cast is bland an undeveloped and even the likable ones are one note with little development. Blathier, he's cool sure, but outside of that he is stagnet for the most part and more one note then anyone in XIII. Hope the most annoying character is typical anime scared guy. We find out why he is way and get his motives. Then the character has his arc and changes and it makes sense. He has actual development. All the characters do. To say they are stereotypical is beyond the point. All FF characters have one dimension to them, most lack development though.
Whatever I have nothing more to say to you.
Seraphinianus
Banned
that has to be the worst tag to have, ever.
any opinion about anything = tag quote lol
any opinion about anything = tag quote lol
Mailenstein
Member
He obviously has bad taste.Boney said:
what previous FF games had less developed (main) characters? it seems like you're arguing in favor of the cast by just bringing up the fact that they all get enough screen time to make themselves known to the player. i personally saw that as a flaw, the characters are too flat and predictable (and voiced too poorly) to justify being seen so much. you could pretty much pick up on any of these characters by watching a couple youtube videos and yet the game feels it necessary to drum their shallow personalities on you for ~35 hours.Rahxephon91 said:
Green Mamba
Member
Ugh. Far and away the worst Final Fantasy world in the past two decades and there's the chance we're going to revisit it again? blah
And the only decent character in FFXIII was Sazh. And that was only when he wasn't doing his stupid "goofy black guy" moments that really didn't fit the mood of the game nor his character.
Lightning was one dimensional and had her entire character development shoved into one scene, Hope was promising at first but all that "Operation Nora" junk ruined him, Vanille was annoying, Fang was one dimensional, and Snow was one dimensional and annoying. And all of the other characters were so underdeveloped it wasn't even funny.
And the only decent character in FFXIII was Sazh. And that was only when he wasn't doing his stupid "goofy black guy" moments that really didn't fit the mood of the game nor his character.
Lightning was one dimensional and had her entire character development shoved into one scene, Hope was promising at first but all that "Operation Nora" junk ruined him, Vanille was annoying, Fang was one dimensional, and Snow was one dimensional and annoying. And all of the other characters were so underdeveloped it wasn't even funny.
I don't know. Lightning felt like Squall with breasts; same broody attitude refusing to let people come close because of a past event, putting down people with any hope and optimism, and then making an unbelievable 180 degree attitude transition sometime during the game.TruePrime said:
Sazh was by far the most likeable character in the game.Green Mamba said: