Dr. Zoidberg
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That's the dream. Hopefully "Rudy1" on AVSForum isn't just yanking our chains. All our hopes are pinned on the validity of his posts in that thread.
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KS8000 settings for gaming at 4k/HDR
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That's the dream. Hopefully "Rudy1" on AVSForum isn't just yanking our chains. All our hopes are pinned on the validity of his posts in that thread.
mckmas8808
Mckmaster uses MasterCard to buy Slave drives
Glad to see people happy about this again.
BLAUcopter
Gold Member
Definitely the last Samsung TV I buy. Way too much fucking around with settings and the HDR implementation is a pain in the ass to get working right. The updates are useless too, how about a change log you morons? Jesus.
mckmas8808
Mckmaster uses MasterCard to buy Slave drives
That's how HDR is on all HDTVs right now. It's still a new thing.
Dr. Zoidberg
Member
The Samsung US website for the KS8000 has been updated. The design changed slightly a few days ago but last night they put up the 1207.2 firmware in case anyone needed the USB version. There are no release notes and of course we know that 1208.2 is the latest version so as always they are a day late and a dollar short.
Grinchy
Banned
I can't say if this still works, but on my 2009 model Samsung LCD, I got some burn-in from using a black and white desktop background. I had to leave my TV unplugged for a few days to get it to go away. I can't say if that works on LEDs or not.
AmericanPixel
Member
Ya know I've been thinking about that too. I'm like "what if this guy is like the BigSean666 from the EA controversy?" I sure hope not. I'm tired of having to pump the backlight to 20 every time I play an HDR capable game then lower it to 13 for everything else.
Jessie.Bristol
Member
I have a similar issue with my KU6300, after watching a movie there will be image retention where the black bars were. The bottom part of the screen seems to recover pretty quickly. The top part takes a bit longer. Usually turning the TV off overnight (or a couple of hours gets rid of it). Watching regular content also seems to recover the image retention.
Odd thing is, it only seems to do it with movies. Playing video games it seems fine with zero image retention. Although I am unsure as to how long a static solid black image takes to cause image retention. When I first got the TV on October 13th from an Ebay retailer it seemed fine. Watched a couple of 4K movies and never noticed any image retention. Maybe a firmware update caused it? I am not sure, there were one or two updates before I began noticing the image retention.
There are methods of getting rid of image retention (or image persistence), usually involving running a white screen or running a screen saver that flips through bright colors. I also noticed yesterday on my BenQ VW2230H that I use with my PC also had image persistence with the Taskbar. It's very light and almost unnoticeable. But I switched to the Light Theme and started hiding the Taskbar. Hopefully the image persistence on my monitor clears up soon.
nikos
Member
I've been using similar settings. Only differences being Dynamic Contrast on Low and Gamma at 0. I'll definitely try these out tomorrow.
manzo
Member
I'm using two cables with a female-female adapters between for easier switching.
llien
Member
What does it actually mean? Reaching certain number of posts?
Never have this problem. Try to find a good balance. I'm guessing this is more likely to happen if you have certain settings set far out such as having sharpness too high.
What is it that usually looks terrible when changing games?
Ahhh cheers, didn't think of doing that! Ordered my psvr today. Will see if I can move the One Connect box into a more accessible spot first.
nowhat
Member
So is it just me - I have a KS7000 (what KS8000 is known in Europe because reasons), and lately, HDMI-CEC has been somewhat erratic (it used to be flawless before). More often than not, when I turn on the PS4 the TV refuses to start itself too. Annoying, but workable. What annoys me even more is that if I switch to live TV with the PS4 on (or Chromecast too), the TV keeps jumping back to the HDMI input. I have to keep switching the input multiple times until the TV finally believes that yes, I do want to watch television this time around.
Anyone else experiencing this/any workarounds? My current firmware is 1201, haven't done any updates via USB.
Anyone else experiencing this/any workarounds? My current firmware is 1201, haven't done any updates via USB.
It's buggy as hell. I just turned the HDMI control off in the PS4 settings and turn it on manually.
Dr. Zoidberg
Member
It's always been buggy and unreliable for me and that's trying it with several TVs. If you had a simple setup with just a TV, a roku, and a soundbar or something it probably works fine but I've got a receiver with 9 devices plugged in plus the TV's built-in apps. CEC always does things I don't want it to do with the picture and/or sound output. I just turn CEC off now in all devices and switch things manually as it's far less frustrating to me.
mckmas8808
Mckmaster uses MasterCard to buy Slave drives
Yeah I think it's 100 post before you become a member.
I managed to find a technically incorrect but effective HDR+ for older or non HDR games that makes certain games (Black Flag in this case) look great, but then tried it on another game and that game looked washed out. Part of it is because I'm trying to correct things you don't really have to that are problems with how a game actually looks, not the accuracy of the TV's picture ( like faded nights or colors that look comically crayon like at times.
BLAUcopter
Gold Member
You game while not in "game mode"? Dat input lag tho?
Unless I'm playing something online, the input lag doesn't bother me nearly as much as the slight flickering of the whole picture when panning the camera or moving around in game. In games like Horizon that subtle flickering on things like foliage and grass is a complete eyesore in Game mode.
If you get flickering from the grass in HZD with game mode then I think there's something up with your settings. Looks beautiful on my tv. Maybe sharpness too high?
Gavin Stevens
Formerly 'o'dium'
Game mode on the KS8000 here and no flicker at all...? That sounds like bad settings. The above sounds true, if your sharpness is used it will flicker on contrasted colours. I gamed by mistake on none game mode before and it was just awful...
Haven't noticed any flicker either. Gaming without using game mode is horrible IMO. You might not notice it but you will experience more missed shots and deaths due to lag in a game like Horizon.
Game mode barely looks any different. It just disables some options so if you were using those then it might look different but personally I can't really tell much of a difference between that and other modes.
Standard mode with auto motion off is not the same at all, it will have higher input lag due to more processing being enabled.
saltyramen
Member
i just wanna know if zoidberg runs DC on HDR games on or off
Dr. Zoidberg
Member
It depends on the game. Some games dont require it (Gears 4, Halo 3, ReCore), but many of them do like ESO and Everybodys Golf. I will go with DC on either Low or Medium depending on the need. Its a necessary evil. I never use High DC as it just obliterates detail in the lightest and darkest parts of the screen.
I can say something new about flickering and double-image artefacts.
KS8000 is TV with 120hz PWM starting at 13 backlight setting and lower. PWM and BFI use flickering to make motion resolution higher(lower impulse time means more clear picture). And this method requares content FPS =BFI/PWM frequency to avoid double-image juddering. Bad thing -we can't get 120hz content fps with KS8000 without interpolation. And we know -game mode has no interpolation settings. We only can use game mode with 60hz at 120PWM . Yes, we can use game mode with 14+ backlight to avoid double image. However it's not so simple. I've noticed DI artefacts even at 14 BL and I've tried to figure out how it is possible. Local dimming caused that problem. I've selected PC mode(only pc mode can turn off Local dimming complitely), turned off LD and double image arts have gone.
If you hate DI -you can:
1. use Movie mode with interpolation(about 60ms lag with 60 to 120hz interpolation)
Picture will be very clear at low BL setting. 1 BL can give 2160+ motion resolution.
2. use PC mode with 14 BL and LD turned off. You will get no flickering picture with motion blur.
3. Use BFI(unavailable in gaming or PC modes, shame to samsung) 60hz with 60fps content. Picture will be ultimativly sharp and without double image juddering.
However it flickers alot. Hard to play with 60hz flickering(
No way to get game mode without DI juddering until we can disable LD in this mode.
KS8000 is TV with 120hz PWM starting at 13 backlight setting and lower. PWM and BFI use flickering to make motion resolution higher(lower impulse time means more clear picture). And this method requares content FPS =BFI/PWM frequency to avoid double-image juddering. Bad thing -we can't get 120hz content fps with KS8000 without interpolation. And we know -game mode has no interpolation settings. We only can use game mode with 60hz at 120PWM . Yes, we can use game mode with 14+ backlight to avoid double image. However it's not so simple. I've noticed DI artefacts even at 14 BL and I've tried to figure out how it is possible. Local dimming caused that problem. I've selected PC mode(only pc mode can turn off Local dimming complitely), turned off LD and double image arts have gone.
If you hate DI -you can:
1. use Movie mode with interpolation(about 60ms lag with 60 to 120hz interpolation)
Picture will be very clear at low BL setting. 1 BL can give 2160+ motion resolution.
2. use PC mode with 14 BL and LD turned off. You will get no flickering picture with motion blur.
3. Use BFI(unavailable in gaming or PC modes, shame to samsung) 60hz with 60fps content. Picture will be ultimativly sharp and without double image juddering.
However it flickers alot. Hard to play with 60hz flickering(
No way to get game mode without DI juddering until we can disable LD in this mode.
CaptainSmirnov
Member
Interesting how some of you guys use DC, I never thought HDR in games was too dim with this TV, maybe because I usually play when it's dark. Maybe I'll give low a shot next time i play with some natural light
Or just sell it and get a TV without backlight flickering that also auto switches HDR settings in game mode like the Sony X900E
I've found it downright necessary for some games. Same with the sharpness which others were commenting on above. Yeah my sharpness was fairly high because (like dynamic contrast) without that some games look pretty off. Uncharted 4 with no dynamic contrast looks pretty washed out, and with no sharpness UC4 looks blurry because they never gave it a proper 4K or checkerboarding patch, just upped the res a little and never bothered to look back. That's my issue is that I'd like every game to look their best, but some require different things to get there so no one set of settings has managed to do that. I'm trying right now to find a good balance for all things.
I do think the flickering in game mode has something to do with framerate more than sharpness like the poster above mentioned though. Because in 60 fps content like UC4 Multiplayer, even with sharpness cranked all the way up, no flickers and the camera moves smoothly, but go to 30fps content and you get that subtle flickering where the camera looks to not be panning smoothly enough or something.
saltyramen
Member
Okay bc damn. I just got Everybodys Golf yesterday and it is dark as shit
LenHendricks
Member
DC sucks. Don't bother.
BLAUcopter
Gold Member
I think the problem with all of us right now is that we are so lost in the settings hole on this fucking overly complicated, change log free, compatibility retarded, overhyped piece of plastic that we don't know what looks or is supposed to look good anymore.
Noboru Wataya
Banned
Dc rules, you're wrong.
I was playing the witness on PS4 and it is the worst for HDR. It locks out the brightness slider, so the only way to get it looking properly is to drop the brightness to the 20s on the TV.
Game devs don't even know what they are doing.
AorUlfheoinn
Neo Member
DC is good in movies. The image is too washed and dark without it. Gamma on -1 and DC on medium so you can see all the details.
In games is another story. You don't need DC on PS4 if game mode is used.
Anyway, is all about user preferences in the end.
In games is another story. You don't need DC on PS4 if game mode is used.
Anyway, is all about user preferences in the end.
buenoblue
Member
I've pretty much given up on hdr on this tv. Everything is so washed out. Yeah you can adjust settings to make it look better but I just think the local dimming is just not enough to combat the high backlight requirements of hdr.
I still love the tv and in sdr gives a very good picture. I'm now saving for an oled.
I still love the tv and in sdr gives a very good picture. I'm now saving for an oled.
Don't give up. Looks awesome on mine. But I have a KS9000 which has the next level up of local dimming, not sure if that's the difference.
If things are washed out you just need to turn the colour setting up, or sort out colour space settings. If you can't get the right custom settings in colour space try using the Native setting.
Also check your brightness setting isn't too high, this will make everything look washed out if it's too high, and the colour settings won't combat it effectively. Try 40-42 ish.
Note that OLEDs can't get as bright as LED tv's yet.
Is Tizen on this TV a complete bag of shit? I constantly have issues with many of the apps either having to be force quit by holding the back button on the remote and then restarted or sometimes having to reset the Smart Hub just because an app refuses to load no matter what. Anyone else having these problems?
saltyramen
Member
Huh. I feel like DC isnt needed in my 4K movies at all
I have to say guys, ACOrigins on this TV with HDR On is stunning. The effects are maybe subtle at first, but the more you play, certain things start jumping out at you, and the life-like quality of the colors is something to behold. Its the only game that has made me appreciate HDR and it may be because they let you calibrate it from the settings unlike Horizon and GoW4
Insane Metal
Member
Nope. I've had this set for a year and I only had ithe apps freeze once.
Horsemama1956
Member
Thought it looked better without HDR. Only HER I've really liked was Cod WW2 because it's subtle.