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Bree Olson's Untold Story.
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TheOnlyOneHeEverFeared
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And that makes it ok to be fucking cast out and treated like that?
Christ some people have no empathy and no notions of changing things.
It's awful. I have friends who work in the adult entertainment industry, and I used to work at xfanz back in the day, but the way the performers are treated by society is despicable. It's really depressing that men and women (mainly women), that pursue a career in the adult industry for whatever reasons will be stigmatized for the rest of their lives. Many don't have a choice but to return to the adult industry to try and make some kind of living because they can't in other professions. It's a lame deal just because you like sex/and/or just needed to pay the bills.
Most of the people judging them are fucking hypocrites.
Most of the people judging them are fucking hypocrites.
Earthbound64
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And many, obviously, don't.
StrongBlackVine
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It sucks, but I look at it like this. She made the choice to go after easy money in a profession that is looked down upon. She had freedom to make that choice and other people have the freedom to reject her based on upon that choice.
It's another industry where exploitation is the way it succeeds. It is why more and more the bigger name successful Female Pornstars attempt to spin off their own production studios etc. They leverage their "brand" and the money they made to escape the exploitation.
The unfortunate problem is they then typically become the exploiter hiring the fresh faces to make them lots of money as they get fucked.
The unfortunate problem is they then typically become the exploiter hiring the fresh faces to make them lots of money as they get fucked.
We're still pretty conservative when it comes to sex. We still have a lot of growing up to do.
metalslimer
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I mean I think people assume being in porn in some easy thing where you just lay back and get fucked all the time for money, when I'm pretty sure they work pretty long hours in a brutal indusry that treats them like shit
StrongBlackVine
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It's Hell of lot easier and pays better than most jobs that people doing porn could get. Why do think so many turn to porn instead of working at McDonalds?
Hero_of_the_Day
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There shouldn't fucking be any repercussions.
Yeah it's downright insane. I just listened to 2 episodes of Guys we Fucked with Asa Akira and Stoya and it was depressing hearing the fuckery they have to deal with. In particular Stoya mentioned how landlords dismiss her the moment she has to mention her work. She struggles to get an apartment and when she got her current apartment she had to pay a year upfront. And she even got judged by one of her previous doctors. Akira mentioned how she knew the consequences of the industry and how she can't ever work with kids. Also Akira and Stoya mentioned how they both regularly go to therapy.
On a side note I met Asa Akira in person for her book signing and she's awesome. I'd also reccomend reading her first book for anyone that's interested about why and how she got into the industry.
Edit: And forgot to mention how Akira can't get certain people on her podcast even if they don't personally have a problem with her work. And of course its all due to optics.
KO Traveling Hobo
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It's crazy to me that so many people still look down on adult film stars. It's sobering how puritanical society at large is despite the proliferation and acceptance of porn across the internet.
Head of Vengarl
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^ Is it different in Europe? I hope so. The U.S. is prudish as fuck, but we all knew that already.
Yeah. At least porn actors make money off it though. What really blows my mind is the girls on Reddit r/GoneWild who post nude pics with their faces in them. I always cringed when I saw that... like, you know someone who knows them IRL is gonna see that someday. They're basically compromising their (public/employment) future for fake internet points.
Yeah. At least porn actors make money off it though. What really blows my mind is the girls on Reddit r/GoneWild who post nude pics with their faces in them. I always cringed when I saw that... like, you know someone who knows them IRL is gonna see that someday. They're basically compromising their (public/employment) future for fake internet points.
deadscreensky
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Adults make stupid decisions too. I don't think she's using her youth as an excuse so much as an explanation which is easy to understand and empathize with. I'd be amazed if even 5% of teenagers given that sort of money would invest it well.
StrongBlackVine
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Why not? I think repercussions are fine. I'm not saying their lives should be ruined, but I don't think it is something to be ignored or glossed over either. I don't think young people should grow up thinking being a sex worker is OK. I'm sure I'll get bashed Hell and back for this, but that's how I feel. Maybe some young women will see this and think twice about doing porn. Short term gain for a lifetime of shame. Not worth it.
You're going to be bashed to hell and back because the idea that being a sex worker isn't OK is the exact thing that leads to people being shamed for it. It's circular reasoning.
Lol sounds like someone who's never had to struggle in life and do some shit to pay bills
KO Traveling Hobo
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The responsibility is on society to stop being judgmental shitters, not on women to stop doing porn. It's disgusting that they have to deal with a lifetime of shame.
Do you watch porn?
Hero_of_the_Day
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She was involved in something that the majority (literally) of people watch and enjoy, and she should be punished for it? Why, exactly?
I was referring to how backwards the US is in its treatment of women. Huge double standard for women and sex.
Look at the other thread on the first page where an elected official is explaining how rape for women can be a blessing.
The logic here I imagine is the "if that was my family member" mentality that so many folks have. If you had a kid who wanted to be a porn star, it's tough to imagine any parent saying "go for it kid!". Before you demonize someone who's uncomfortable with the career outright, ask yourself why you would or wouldn't be OK with your own loved ones to do it. And if you are OK with it, that is 100% fine too, but not everyone is there yet mentally.
mind your business
This is a horrible opinion. Repercussions are fine? what the fuck am I reading here???
Why exactly, do you think women should be shamed for this? Why can't they just be treated as human beings?
Hero_of_the_Day
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I wouldn't be happy about my niece doing porn (no kids). But, after talking to her about it, I'd go home and jerk off to some porn. That is the problem. We are judgemental and insecure assholes who will enjoy something, and shit on the people doing it at the same time. Bree Olson wasn't wrong for doing porn. I'm wrong for looking down on her for it.
StrongBlackVine
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Yes.
I'm not saying she should be punished. If I was in position to hire a former sex worker I would not automatically write them off. I'm saying that if someone does disapprove because they are morally opposed to it, think it would become a distraction or just be a bad look in general the are perfectly justified in feeling that way. Being a prude is not necessarily a bad thing.
Also I feel the same way about men in porn. The men and women are completely debasing themselves like animals for others sexual gratification.
Ah, so here it is. You just think you're better than them
I'm sure you probably watch porn, like literally everyone else has or does at some point.
Someone has to make those, and that's what they do (and I would hope) enjoy doing. Why is it not okay to be one of those people? This is a really prudish line of thinking.
BoxManLocke
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So you must hate yourself while watching porn right ?
Or does that just apply to the people working to make you nut ?
Demographics matter. Some people are uncomfortable with working with or understanding sex workers and wanting to be accepted by middle America for something they haven't been accepting of is...Optimistic. I feel bad for her and think she'd have a better time in a more liberal city. Sometimes the choices we make might at one point might not be for the best later on and its difficult to change people's minds on topics such as this.
Yet you admit you watch porn. You sound like a real piece of work.
Sho_Nuff82
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She's saying she was legally employed, was celebrated by millions as long as she was taking her clothes off, and now she's treated like a leper despite never having committed a crime. She can't get honest work because employers don't want to be associated with her. That won't change even with a degree. Even saying "I'm not about that life anymore" doesn't help.
She's less upset with the industry than she is with the rest of the world. She says she could go back if she wanted. She doesn't want to, even though the money would be good. But she may not have a choice in the future if she wants to keep the lights on.
Edit: I totally agree that moving into a more liberal city is probably her best bet. You can't change people but you can change your situation. It's not giving up if it saves your life or sanity.
Sex tapes (or being openly promiscuous in general) are different because reasons.
Hero_of_the_Day
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She made millions having sex on film, I jerked off to it when I was lonely. Clearly I'm the better person.
Mammoth Jones
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What did she do with the money she made? How is she broke? She didn't invest it? Even in a small business? This reminds me of NBA players that made a few mil, get cut and are broke in a year.
No, she's not a bad person for doing porn. Obviously. But she seems more upset that she's not getting residuals.
She should start a consulting firm for young people getting into porn to help them protect themselves. I don't know. Or go back to school and get a career path going in another field.
No, she's not a bad person for doing porn. Obviously. But she seems more upset that she's not getting residuals.
She should start a consulting firm for young people getting into porn to help them protect themselves. I don't know. Or go back to school and get a career path going in another field.
This is refreshingly honest and probably the best take in this thread.
I somehow got sucked into this periscope world, which Bree is a part of.
And she is known for courting drama and I find her in particular hard to support.
I think shes got some serious mental health issues
But I do feel bad for porn actresses/actors. And she is correct that it is often her biggest "fans" that give her the most shit.
These "porn stars" are often vulnerable young people lured by the prospect of some easy money.
And often get sucked down in a path of drugs and addiction. And once you are in, it's clearly hard to escape out.
And she is known for courting drama and I find her in particular hard to support.
I think shes got some serious mental health issues
But I do feel bad for porn actresses/actors. And she is correct that it is often her biggest "fans" that give her the most shit.
These "porn stars" are often vulnerable young people lured by the prospect of some easy money.
And often get sucked down in a path of drugs and addiction. And once you are in, it's clearly hard to escape out.
StrongBlackVine
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I know this makes me hypocrite. I won't even try to defend it. At least I am being honest. And like I said earlier I may not approve of their choices, but I wouldn't necessarily hold it against them in employment. I would absolutely under no circumstances date a woman that I knew had sex for money or even stripped, but that is as far as my judgement goes in real life.
RumblingRosco
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What percent of a pay check do you think most 18-23 year olds invest?
I used to watch her on periscope. She would fly people out to her pad frequently to her pad that was pretty much on sunset blvd. If she's broke it's because she was expecting income that she never got
And that part does suck. In the US once you do porn, the adult industry is pretty much your only avenue for a career.
Sho_Nuff82
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Cocaine, clubbing, clothes, cars, and leaching entourages spell doom for most new money.
And Bree specifically says her story is a warning for other girls who want to get into porn, she's not completely naive (anymore).
You sound real confident about that. I'm sure you wouldn't judge the shit out of them as soon as you found that out.
It's none of your business what a woman does with her body (or a man, for that matter). You sound horribly prejudiced.
StrongBlackVine
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Twisting my words is not very constructive. I said they made poor choices, not that they are lesser people. Also I doubt she made millions.
Also saw something on her a while back. She was looking for a boyfriend/marriage material and the qualities she listed were like the last type of guy that would want former sex worker: white, conservative well-to-do etc. The way I have seen politically conservative people talked about on here she would be one the last people you are defending. Seems like she just regrets that she can't blend back in to her conservative Midwestern roots. Too bad.
By judge I meant I would not discriminate against in a hiring situation or something like that. I can separate personal from professional.
And yes it is my business what someone did with their body if I am getting involved with them.
To be fair, there are tons of women that wouldn't date male sex workers as well.
They can't get jobs because the companies they want to work for do not want the negative attention they are bound to get. Especially more typical entertainment jobs. Imagine Bree Olson starring in a sitcom on NBC. All the news would be about her porn career. Best she can do is guest star or appear on HBO. Or get a morally ambiguous job like a bartender
toddhunter
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America is a half puritanical society that also makes hardcore porn. You have to suspect going in that things are going to be completely messed up for you in all sorts of hypocritical ways.
I'd be interested to know if a european star has the same point of view. I suspect it will be a lot more positive.
I'd be interested to know if a european star has the same point of view. I suspect it will be a lot more positive.
StrongBlackVine
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You don't seem to get the idea that you can make bad choices without being bad person.
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