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Television Displays and Technology Thread: This is a fantasy based on OLED
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Insane Metal
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Samsung's Q8C review: https://www.avforums.com/review/samsung-qe65q8c-q8c-q8-uhd-hdr-qled-4k-tv-review.13324
8/10
8/10
holygeesus
Banned
Yes, you still do see ABL even at low oled light level on the 2016's. That was a huge problem for them, just go ask D-Nice about that
On the 2016's if you setup the picture for 150 nits the full screen would still dim down a lot.
I am not comparing tvs by how much they cost right now, just what the new ones improvements have brought on. Cleveland plasma has the 55c7 at $2400 right now, the 55B6 is going for 1600, so not as big of a price difference.
I don't need to ask anyone. I own a B6 and fortunately don't notice ABL even with OLED Light in the 60s. Not saying it doesn't happen, but obviously some people are more susceptible to noticing it.
And I was referring to UK prices. 3,000 currently for the C7 versus 1,600 for the B/C6. If you can wait for the new range to drop, then sure, nobody is denying they are better, just not 1400 notes better (IMO)
TheBoss1
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What's interesting is that Samsung are allowing other companies to use their QD technology. According to FlatPanelsHD, their tech can be used for both LCD and OLED. It makes me wonder if it can make OLED screens brighter without raising black levels since it's a filter/film and not a backlight system. Would LG and other OLED sellers be interested in this filter?
If I had to go based on the price of Samsung's new sets, this would make OLED sets skyrocket in price which would only be feasible for millionaires.
vpance
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OLED will have their own way to increase color volume. A film would decrease their brightness I think.
Weird to see the new Samsungs flub on brightness compared to last year's (except for the Q9 which hits over 2000 nits). Also there's such a big difference between dynamic and normal mode - 1700 vs 1200.
Insane Metal
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I'm curious to see LG's 2017 LED reviews. I've seen none so far. There's the UJ series (entry level) and SJ series (their 'Nano Cell' tech).
Dr. Kitty Muffins
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The Sony 900e is now 1100? How can I get Best Buy to refund me 100 bucks?
guitarguy316
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the sony sounds beast, but i thought input lag was in the 50s? if true, that's a no go
Jigolo
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That ain't samsung's tech
Rtings said that Samsung was investigating the Q7F's brightness being below specification last month. Have there been any updates on that since then?
TheBoss1
Member
Interesting.
1080P: ~45 ms
4K: ~28 ms
Well Samsung bought the company designing such tech so how is it not their own again?
Yeah, it still sucks.
For those of you with LG sets, there is a way to disable ASBL in the service menu
http://www.avsforum.com/forum/40-oled-technology-flat-panels-general/2440714-how-turn-off-asbl-lg-oled-tv.html
http://www.avsforum.com/forum/40-oled-technology-flat-panels-general/2440714-how-turn-off-asbl-lg-oled-tv.html
Insane Metal
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Nope. They tested 2 units, Samsung's engineers went to their office to validate the tests and so they did.
They said they'd look into this but so far no response.
Call. I believe you have 15 days to adjust.
Unless you're Elite, which is 30, or Elite+ which is 45.
vpance
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Dunno, but I think they got 2 duds. The tests were way low.
Nonetheless at best it will be like the Q8 above and still be dimmer than the KS8000.
Colors looks very good though, so that's a positive.
holygeesus
Banned
That's different to ABL unfortunately, but I have already turned that off also.
TheBoss1
Member
What's the chance that they were 2 duds ordering from Amazon, just like us?
4k/60 and HDR is 28-29ms.
Very rare. They even brought Samsung engineers who verified the tests were correct and the screens were not defective. This is Samsung we are talking about. Quality assurance has gone out the window with exploding phones and televisions that have back panels come unglued within weeks.
Art Vandilay
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I know I've said it before, but people need to know that Samsung's customer service is garbage. I'll never buy another product from them after my experience with a faulty KS8000.
vpance
Member
Not unusual I think. Samsung has poor QC so you may need to play the panel lottery game. The screens were probably defective but they just couldn't admit it for PR reasons.
Yappadappadu
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Still thinking about the LG C7 due to the low input lag.
An earlier review said 31 ms, so we need more measurements/reviews.
What are you using atm? I forget.
Lol, when the price dropped even further on the KS8000, I was given such attitude by Lashonda the customer service rep about how they wouldn't refund the tax on the difference. I didn't complain much but she just went off.
If it wasn't for price I would have been waiting for a B6 or would have purchased an X930E this year. Cant ever beat 65" for $1079 though. I was deathly afraid though I would end up with a lemon. So far only one corner has come unglued too so I have been luckier than most. But I used to love Samsung but I very rarely like to recommend them these days.
Yappadappadu
Member
E6, but could get rid of it without taking too much of a loss.
The 3D though...
Ehhhh. It's only a 13ms difference. Not worth it if that's your only reason to upgrade.
guitarguy316
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To those of you with OLEDs, is it worth $450 for a professional calibration from some of the best on AVS forums?
I don't think it is. $450 is a lot of money for someone to calibrate your screen with settings you may not even enjoy. It's 41% of the cost I paid for my OLED. Not a good deal in my opinion.
JudgmentJay
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To me it's worth it for peace of mind alone. If I'm watching a movie and something looks a little off I never have to wonder if it's my TV's settings... I know it's the source material. I had Chad B calibrate my C6 and one thing that surprised me is how different my settings ended up being from those floating around the internet. I'm much happier with the picture after calibration... especially in terms of brightness.
DOT DASH DOT
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With you there 100%, I had the same thing with my old JS9000, such a stressful experience.
Hey man, I've sent you a PM.Yes, you still do see ABL even at low oled light level on the 2016's. That was a huge problem for them, just go ask D-Nice about that
On the 2016's if you setup the picture for 150 nits the full screen would still dim down a lot.
I am not comparing tvs by how much they cost right now, just what the new ones improvements have brought on. Cleveland plasma has the 55c7 at $2400 right now, the 55B6 is going for 1600, so not as big of a price difference.
I did it myself and got comparable results with an i1 Display Pro, HCFR, and AVS HD 709 at half the price but spent tonnes of time trial and error (like why was I seeing posterizaton in Watch Dogs 2). If you care about color accuracy, it's a small price considering calibrating for HDR is different than SDR especially if you never touched CMS controls ever.
guitarguy316
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Well that $450 is for hdr, gaming, isf dark, and isf bright.
TheBoss1
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Input lag is higher depending on the source (4K, 1080P) but I think only the most sensitive gamers would notice the difference.
Theonik
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This applies to most TV sets btw. The scaler will almost always add an extra bit of lag. Interpolating 6megapixels takes time.
TheBoss1
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You mean upscaling?
Theonik
Member
Yes.
Rhazer Fusion
Member
Nah. With that money, I would get a nice AV Receiver or something. Imagine if you spend all of that money and you are not genuinely ecstatic about the way the picture settings look. I think you can even look online at some recommended picture settings for those modes for your OLED like AVS Forums on youtube if I remember correctly.
Vanillalite
Ask me about the GAF Notebook
I feel like a lot of 2017 TVs are sorta no goes due to pricing unless you are willing to go top end. They are better than the 2016 models comparing TV to TV obviously, but you can get a better model 2016 TV on the cheaper low.
I browse around blu-ray.com for lists like these, and besides the ones you listed I do see The Martian a lot.
Maaaaaardy
Member
My B6 has stopped picking up my PS4 Pro completely. Yet I just plugged my MacBook Pro into it fine.
What the fuck.
What the fuck.
HDCP handshake issue?
Maaaaaardy
Member
Sorry. Not well versed in all this. All I know is I'm going to lose my mind in a minute haha. HDCP issue?
Edit: fixed it! If this ever happens for anyone else, hold the PS4 power button down until the SECOND beep, then reboot it. Works fine.
Latest Mad Max.
Basically I had to turn off the HDCP setting on my PS4 to get my E6 to not have issues when displaying my PS4 Pro.
Yappadappadu
Member
Same.
Using an AVR basically fixes the handshaking issues. Mostly concerns the C6, E6 and G6, not the B6.
Wonder whether the 2017 LG OLEDs are also affected.
Using an AVR basically fixes the handshaking issues. Mostly concerns the C6, E6 and G6, not the B6.
Wonder whether the 2017 LG OLEDs are also affected.
vpance
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Probably gonna get them ones down the line. I think these ones are actually 2K so I'm not sure how big of an improvement they really are.