Kojirospath
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Nu-metal that didn't suck?
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Please don't cite Wikipedia >_<
But yeah it was the "pseudo" part that baffled me. Sepultura weren't "thrash/pseudo death", they were thrash/death, period.
Ok. Gotcha. I am ok with early death metal as a label.
Early Cold is solid stuff, first few albums drive back some grunge flavor. I didn't care for their recent one (that came out in 2011) much at all, which is a shame.
Morrigan Stark
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Stormhammer
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I haven't heard of many people who don't consider Tool a pioneer in the alternative metal genre (which I tend to put in with nu metal). That's why I specifically say that the label of nu metal is poor. It's probably why many don't consider chevelle, red or 10 Years nu metal even though you still have the heavy down tuned guitars, cracky snare, and aggressive lyrics.
BadAss2961
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I can agree with this. Nu-Metal is all about the rap influence and angst to me.
Lot of the bands being mentioned aren't really Nu-Metal, but were just of that era.
My man. Such a good album.
Also recommend Fear Factory and Deftones despite them not being nu metal but are both great for dipping your toes into the metal world.
I think no band likes to be labeled.
Del Leppard and the like don't like to be called Glam Rock.
Korn doesn't like to be called Nu Metal.
Nirvana didn't like to be called grunge.
Even fucking Hammerfall is like...Power Metal? "That's fine..but we prefer simply to be called Heavy Metal. That's what we play."
ElfArmy177
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Linkin Park was shit?
Linkin Park wasn't heavy enough for the hard rockers, and probably too bombastic for "normal people."
But hey, 10 millions albums sold so they connected with a shit ton of people. To me it's no different to how 80s rock bands connected with me. And they had the exact same issue as Linkin did.
I think metal specifically struggles with micro labelling as a lot can seem insulting when really it's just to help people recommend and talk to each other about the bands they like. Though there is definitely a hierarchy and attempts at proving themselves legit whilst denouncing others. Happens with punk all the time
I am old enough to have hated Nu-Metal when it showed up because it was clearly inferior to Death Metal, so I have grumpy old man opinions here.
but that said...
From my perspective, Sepultura - Chaos A.D. is definitively the first Nu-Metal record. It inspired Korn, who in turn inspired Sepultura's next album, Roots.
Chaos A.D. is also a rare example of "what would Nu-Metal sound like if Nu-Metal didn't suck?"
I can also deal with System of a Down, and I never intentionally listened to Linkin Park but they were the least bad of that batch of bands.
but that said...
From my perspective, Sepultura - Chaos A.D. is definitively the first Nu-Metal record. It inspired Korn, who in turn inspired Sepultura's next album, Roots.
Chaos A.D. is also a rare example of "what would Nu-Metal sound like if Nu-Metal didn't suck?"
I can also deal with System of a Down, and I never intentionally listened to Linkin Park but they were the least bad of that batch of bands.
SolidSnakeUS
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Obsolete is probably their best. Demanufacture is really damn good as well. I'm actually happy that Genexus was pretty good. Better than The Industrialist.
Yeah to me it's fine. It's good for categorizing. At least to me it's not meant as be an insult.
But I can understand not wanting to be confined in a category.
NuMetal did it's job as a gateway to extreme music. Korn's frontman was a huge Cannibal Corpse fan. Lots of the dudes in these bands respected "metal", they just wanted their own spin on it. It's all good.
oh and much as it pains me to mention it, cuz I really love them, but Neurosis circa Enemy of the Sun are also kinda proto-Nu-Metal, like if you played some of their riffs a bit faster and cut the song lengths down and made the lyrics more teen-angsty instead of adult-angsty, they'd fit.
Morrigan Stark
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Bands are notoriously bad at genres. Lemmy of Motörhead just always said "we play rock n' roll" (they don't, they play speed metal, but I forgive him
). Why is there an interrogation mark in your statement?
Oh I consider Chevelle and Red nu-metal. Tool has always been more progressive rock than anything, IMO.
Bands are notoriously bad at genres. Lemmy of Motörhead just always said "we play rock n' roll" (they don't, they play speed metal, but I forgive him
My favorite ever was Glen Benton from Deicide.
"Death Metal? We play aggressive Satanic Rock N Roll.!!!"
HammerOfThor
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I've always enjoyed SOAD.
Alter_Fridge
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Fear Factor is no where near nu-metal
They are industrial metal
If Sevendust counts Waffle was a sick song
ElfArmy177
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Man, I don't wanna go off on a tangent but Linkin Park is far from bad and actually extremely talented for what they did. People called them whiny because the lead vocalist was totally fucked up and that's what he wrote about. Saying you don't like a popular band is one thing. Saying they are bad simply because you didn't like them is entirely ignorant. Not you, just people in the thread. I don't like Justin beiber but I can't deny he's talented, I can't stand Kayne but he's talented
I guess I just don't get it. If any of the leads of those bands listed as "better nu metal" committed suicide I genuinely don't think the fallout would be nearly as large. Hell, their debute album from almost 20 years ago was the top seller and listened to album the whole week after he killed himself. There was a tribute at the us embassy in Russia.. the band was def not bad
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soxinthebox
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I'd reduce it further and say guitars, a DJ and occasional (bad) rap are the bare essentials.
Alter_Fridge
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Interesting how Chris Cornell and Chester killed them-selves in eerily similar circumstances in a relatively short period of time..
In my experience with the local NJ scene in the 90s, a lot of dudes in NuMetal bands were in Death Metal bands just 2 years earlier than when Korn blew up. And before that, I knew at least one dude who spent years talking shit on death metal until suddenly he was playing that style too when it was popular.
Kinda revealed who were chasing the latest cool thing and who were dedicated to a specific expression. Hell, at least someone in Slipknot was involved in Anal Blast, if I recall correctly
That kind of pettiness aside, I am 100% down with people making new genres, I'm pretty much a music obsessive interested in a good several dozen subgenres, but due to the chance circumstance of my age and where I grew up, NuMetal is the music of the kids ~4 years younger than me and there's usually nothing one hates more than the thing that replaces the thing that was "ones thing" when one was 14. So, while I acknowledge it's a bit irrational, I really do loathe most of it. It's also such a young angsty person's music that it's almost impossible to get into in middle age, so it's not like I can go back and appreciate it out of context now.
Much like i like psyche/prog/fusion/free jazz/improv music but can't get into jam bands, I like brutal slam, hip-hop, death metal, sludge, stoner, etc but can't stand most numetal.
Sun Bather
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Not only did I never like them, but this settled it towards hate rather than just a dislike.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=et9mTPEIOt8
I don't even know who that band is, but just listening to that song..
it's as nu-metal as they come imo
Yeah, I agree. Korn was a fairly inventive on their first couple. And Sepultura basically had a hand in starting the genre.
Not sure Chaos is full nu metal though.
I feel ya. Everything I like is shit basically. Obviously I don't think it, and millions of other don't either.
I'm not apologizing for anything. I don't listen to any music "ironically." If I like it, I like it and that's it.
NormalFish
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since when is SOAD nu-metal? music genres are a fucking mess.
It's a timing and cultural thing; like at the time in the late 80s, the media called Godflesh "grindcore" just because they were ex-Napalm Death and on Earache.
These days, no one would confuse the two.
SOAD was def lumped in with NuMetal at the time, but they are also an outlier on the music.
Yeah, it's not pure nu metal, it's got some thrash and punk feeling too, but I heard Refuse/Resist over the PA at St. Vitus recently and was struck that I thought it was from Roots until the chorus hit.
Hey I totally feel that. Grunge pretty much killed all the music I like dead. It made it a fucking joke. Even Metallica gave up. I liked Nirvana and Pearl Jam, but I would never say I loved them. Never went to their shows etc. It's just what was available to me.
But I thank Grunge for killing mainstream metal because it made me go after underground metal music. I'm not going to go on about all the music found, but I felt so revitalized. Before that, I had pretty much given up and moved on to electronic music.
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Melkezadek
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Yea it's the reason I didn't list them. Other than having down tuned guitars, I don't really see what characteristics they have that would deserve them the label. One of my favorite bands of all time.
And honestly, I really hate the sigma of nu-metal being all crap. There bad in every genre and there were plenty of bands doing some really cool things at the time. Really unique stuff in there.
Would Astro Creep 2000 fall into Nu Metal?, it was very interesting when it came out, still holds up today too.
Hmmm. I would put it under whatever Marylin Manson was. Industrial/Alternative metal or so.
They weren't NuMetal to me.
Netherscourge
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Would Astro Creep 2000 fall into Nu Metal?, it was very interesting when it came out, still holds up today too.
They were Pop Metal-Industrial.
Kinda like Ministry. Although Ministry was a bit more edgy.
No matter how bad some 'nu-metal' got, it was all worth it for this:
Anyhoo, this thread shows just how stupid genres are. There's only two genres: music you dig and music you don't. Beyond that who gives a fuck.
"Dude you need to listen to IMMORTAL, they are fucking awesome!"
"What do they sound like?"
"Don't worry about it! Trust me!"
TheLastCandle
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Yeah. The subgenres in Metal are absolutely vital. I'm not exactly going to recommend Morbid Angel to someone who is really into Twilight Force even though both are Metal.
I agree. Their early stuff was great. some of their songs had very interesting melodies. It was sort of like a British version of the Grunge/Nu-Metal sound.
A few favorites of mine:
https://youtu.be/QCAHl-zP__w
https://youtu.be/yfgstJb5zSk
It's a real shame because the band was always very musically talented. Even after their Nu-Metal days they did catchy very well. This one from the Spider-Man 2 OST brings back tons of '00 memories. I never cared for the singing or lyrics though. I can't imagine what it feels like to have that hard work thrown away because of that asshole.
Morrigan Stark
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Well...
Thank you. The whole sense of superiority because you "don't are about genres" is insipid and annoying. You aren't more clever or "open-minded (tm)" because of your grand indifference to... useful descriptive words, guy.
NormalFish
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The implication that you need a mountains of subgenres to describe music just demonstrates a lack of understanding. Subgenres quickly just become adjectives that serve as a short hand for other features we already have words for. It's not hard.
Alter_Fridge
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Came into this thread to suggest Lostprophets. See I've been beaten to it.
You know about the singer right?
Screaming Meat
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Deftones are literally the only good thing to come out of Nu-Metal, and they weren't even really Nu-Metal; at least from WP onwards.
Sure, but I can see where he's coming from. They're definitely precursors, kinda in the same way The Stooges were to Punk. There's a couple of tracks on RATM's first album that predate a lot of the scene.
I think they're doing it for the mega lols. :/
Sure, but I can see where he's coming from. They're definitely precursors, kinda in the same way The Stooges were to Punk. There's a couple of tracks on RATM's first album that predate a lot of the scene.
I think they're doing it for the mega lols. :/