The stand was a waste of time and all it did was make the package non-standard and thus stand out on the shelf. :\
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In defence of Kid Icarus's Controls. Sakurai: "You doing it wrong."
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The stand was a waste of time and all it did was make the package non-standard and thus stand out on the shelf. :\
Pie and Beans
Look for me on the local news, I'll be the guy arrested for trying to burn down a Nintendo exec's house.
After Sakamoto's bizarre control design decisions for Other-M (NO ANALOG, D-PAD ONLY, FINAL DESTINATION), and Sakurai's stubbornness here, I'm excited to see what the final part of the BAD CONTROLS Nintendo Trilogy is going to be.
GhostWriter24
Member
Couldn't you say this about any half-baked control scheme, though?
The only use my stand gets is to hold my phone.
Yea, i remember that excuse for god hand and re4
Vane_MagicCity
Banned
So are all dual analog games dumbed down now?
Meccanical
Member
If it works how is it half baked.
The Technomancer
card-carrying scientician
No, not at all. There's nothing at all wrong with the responsiveness of KI:U's controls (in fact I'd argue they're more responsive, with the exception of activating powers)
Version 3.0
Member
No, you don't need it. But manufacturing the thing and including it with the game for free shows that Nintendo feels pretty strongly about the dumb thing.
b) is about the only thing I can agree with there, and that's less the fault of the game and more the fault of the 3DS.
SolarKnight
Member
Both things are different from person to person, I saw plenty of lefties that had no problem with the controls in the OT.
Kacho
Member
Are dual analog controls half-baked? I remember having to learn how to properly use them when I first played Timesplitters when the PS2 launched.
You must have tiny hands. A friend bought it for me the other day. I got through 1 level before I had to stop and hand it to him. He got through 1/2 a level and stopped.
This was without the stand, I haven't tried that yet. However, having to pack in a stand for a handheld is admitting that the default controls/system are not well suited to the type of game it is.
Games that require aiming and shooting? Of course. Not exactly uncommon knowledge in 2012.
Vane_MagicCity
Banned
Yeah, I read that the other day.
I don't think he's mindlessly trashing the game. Quote from the article:
How can anyone disagree with that quote? The stand, even if you don't use it, is compensating for controls that do not belong on a handheld.
Vane_MagicCity
Banned
In 2012 there are more people using controllers on PC's than ever before. Remember the shit storm about ME3 not having controller support?
UncleSporky
Member
This is demonstrably wrong, at least anecdotally at GAF. I actually tallied up people's opinions in this thread, the most critical thread possible on the subject of KI controls.
GAF lefties: 14 likes, 3 dislikes. And that's just from the critical thread and not the massive OT which is sure to include a lot more positive impressions.
Non-left-hander opinions on the first 2 pages of the same thread: 18 likes, 2 iffy, 1 dislike. Not too different of a ratio.
hardcastlemccormick
Banned
Can't we just have a Kid Icarus: Uprising controls argument garbage thread once and for all? Cripes. Nothing new is ever said, everybody's mindlessly defending their extreme view of the matter and it's a huge waste of time, ignoring the meat of the actual game which is quite possibly the best original content Nintendo's made in years.
EDIT: And this is coming from someone who hasn't had a single problem with the controls.
EDIT: And this is coming from someone who hasn't had a single problem with the controls.
Any lefty here who played the game without using a cppro? Like, you use your right hand to aim with the stylus and stuff? Haven't bought the game since I'm a lefty and wary about the controls. And I don't feel like spending more money on a cpp.
EDIT: That's really helpful, unclesporky. Might try out the game now!
EDIT: That's really helpful, unclesporky. Might try out the game now!
Raging Spaniard
If they are Dutch, upright and breathing they are more racist than your favorite player
I think the controls are perfect (for a right handed person) and agree with him. Been playing for two days now (just got the game) and have had 0 problems
Colonel Mustard
Banned
A vocal minority isn't not a majority.
I can disagree by saying I've never used the stand. A guitar strap isn't needed to play Guitar Hero, it's just makes it easier.
Vane_MagicCity
Banned
You couldn't buy one if you wanted to, they have been backordered for awhile and now the Gamestop site has a new release date 4 days from now (5/7/12).
http://www.gamestop.com/nintendo-3ds/accessories/3ds-circle-pad-pro-gamestop-exclusive/98636
chickdigger802
Banned
Well if you think about it,, most shooters these days are narrow shooters where baddies pretty much just come from the front.
Don't recall many shooter these days that require 'quick turns'.
UncleSporky
Member
See my post above for an example, though of course it's a small GAF sample size.
Tathanen
Get Inside Her!
Alright let's put this to bed already. If you aren't holding it like this:
you're doing it wrong.
No stand, no legs, just stick the bottom-right corner of the system in your right palm, so it rests on the bottom-left corner of your palm. Curl stylus around to success. This is how I played Metroid Prime Hunters, and it works just as fine for Kid Icarus.
(Warning: may not work with baby-hands.)
you're doing it wrong.
No stand, no legs, just stick the bottom-right corner of the system in your right palm, so it rests on the bottom-left corner of your palm. Curl stylus around to success. This is how I played Metroid Prime Hunters, and it works just as fine for Kid Icarus.
(Warning: may not work with baby-hands.)
KI is pretty fast and frantic. Enemies on the ground can constantly spawn behind you, and in multiplayer, opponents dodging, using certain weapons and powers that give them extra (or even extreme) speed, jumping and being knocked away often means that they move out of your field of vision in less than a second and requires you to do quarter, half, or greater turns to keep up with the action.
To Far Away Times
Member
I like that this game isn't possible on dual analog. Dual analog has "dumbed down" games in a lot of ways. (See iron sights auto-aiming military FPS games vs Quake III and Unreal Tournament.)
That's not to say that I think the controls are great in this game, but I don't think designing around dual analog would have made for a better game.
SolarKnight
Member
Dual Analog is pretty much the only reasonable control scheme that the game doesn't have. It has PLENTY of options already.
The Technomancer
card-carrying scientician
Alright let's put this to bed already. If you aren't holding it like this:
you're doing it wrong.
No stand, no legs, just stick the bottom-right corner of the system in your right palm, so it rests on the bottom-left corner of your palm. Curl stylus around to success. This is how I played Metroid Prime Hunters, and it works just as fine for Kid Icarus.
(Warning: may not work with baby-hands.)
This man knows whats up
Vane_MagicCity
Banned
Oh wow. I didn't think people would take so easily to touch controls as a replacement for controllers but here we are. The trashing of dual analog and the praising of touch controls. The future is here and I am obviously out of touch (no pun intended).
I went from the joystick to the d-pad and the d-pad to the analog stick and the analog stick to dual analog and I loved the improvements each time. Going from dual analog to touch controls though I am not ready to do.
I went from the joystick to the d-pad and the d-pad to the analog stick and the analog stick to dual analog and I loved the improvements each time. Going from dual analog to touch controls though I am not ready to do.
ME3 is designed for dual analog limitations. Other games are not. You don't see anyone beasting on Quake Live with a 360 pad and that's the same reason Kid Icarus doesn't include a dual analog option.
Hear this man.
Alternatively, when given a situation where on the one hand a developer says consumers are doing it wrong, and on the other hand a large part of the userbase (not talking about journalists or whoever) complaining that the feature sucks because it's not uncomfortable and inconvenient to use, I tend to side with consumers, even if I personally don't have a problem with it.
Sakurai, your job is not to tell us that we don't get it. You're not here to educate consumers. Your job is to get what we want. If people endlessly complain about something, your job is to correct it, not to correct people.
Alright let's put this to bed already. If you aren't holding it like this:
you're doing it wrong.
No stand, no legs, just stick the bottom-right corner of the system in your right palm, so it rests on the bottom-left corner of your palm. Curl stylus around to success. This is how I played Metroid Prime Hunters, and it works just as fine for Kid Icarus.
(Warning: may not work with baby-hands.)
Sure doesn't look comfy, but must not be a problem if it works for you...
I just do this kind of pinky hold, which makes playing comfy for as long of a session as you want:
Works well enough for my not-so-big hands.
But I rather tell people to adapt to a control scheme they just cannot work with than to accept some people have different preferences!
Alright let's put this to bed already. If you aren't holding it like this:
you're doing it wrong.
No stand, no legs, just stick the bottom-right corner of the system in your right palm, so it rests on the bottom-left corner of your palm. Curl stylus around to success. This is how I played Metroid Prime Hunters, and it works just as fine for Kid Icarus.
(Warning: may not work with baby-hands.)
I have baby hands and that's what I've always done!
Colonel Mustard
Banned
Dark Schala
Eloquent Princess
It takes a while to adjust to, though. Maybe a few hours of play. But my hands are small, so I don't have a huge problem with it. At first I was angry about the controls prior to release since I thought it was going to be completely inaccessible to lefties, but it's something you get used to. Still some issues, but manageable.
It's unfortunate that it takes time to adjust to the controls, though. I don't use the stand at all. I usually play my 3DS when on commute or at school when I'm not around a desk or table.
Actually I have very big hands, which probably factors in.
And way to drag a serious illness into this to make a point, way to be childish.
If it were up to me i'd prefer to play most of my shooters with a keyboard and mouse.
There are three usb slots on my 360, why i can't i plug them in there and play reach with them?
chickdigger802
Banned
Sure doesn't look comfy, but must not be a problem if it works for you...
I just do this kind of pinky hold, which makes playing comfy for as long of a session as you want:
Works well enough for my not-so-big hands.
Pinky works better for accuracy, but the first way is better for long playtimes imo.
Both good stuff.
Colonel Mustard
Banned
That's cool.