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View Poll Results: GAF Decides
Macron
520 35.49%
Le Pen
29 1.98%
Pain au chocolat
194 13.24%
Chocolatine
68 4.64%
Thor Deux: Un Monde Obscur
654 44.64%
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Systolique
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(04-21-2017, 12:15 PM)
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Originally Posted by Auctopus

Am I right in reading that Le Pen said that terrorism "wouldn't happen" under her government?

Yes, she is batshit insane.

She also said very recently that "while 0% soil attack risk doesn't exist, every other candidate including government are 100% soil attack risk", great rhetoric from a respectable person eh?
Alx
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(04-21-2017, 12:15 PM)
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Originally Posted by Green Yoshi

How much power does the president has? Does he need the support of the parliament? As far as I know "En marche" was founded ten months ago and is not represented in the parliament. Is it similar to the USA where the president needs the congress and senat for passing laws?

The president is quite powerful in France, but at least in theory those powers are aimed at everything happening outside the country : he's commander of the army and of the diplomacy, basically.
He also has the power of dissolving the parliament and chooses the Prime Minister, but he's not the one in charge of passing laws, the Prime Minister and his government are. Sometimes when the majority in Parliament isn't the same side as the president's, he has to do a "cohabitation", ie choose a Prime Minister from that majority.
Not too long ago the duration and timing of elections were aligned (we'll vote again for MPs later this year) so that there is a higher chance of having a favourable parliament though.
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Golden_Pigeon
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(04-21-2017, 12:16 PM)
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Originally Posted by Auctopus

Am I right in reading that Le Pen said that terrorism "wouldn't happen" under her government?

She implying that they wouldn't be in France in the first place.
Except most of the terrorists were french.
And nothing more than her political program would create terrorist attack in France, and i think she is fully aware and would want that to grab full authority.
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Fistwell
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(04-21-2017, 12:21 PM)
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Originally Posted by Green Yoshi

How much power does the president has? Does he need the support of the parliament? As far as I know "En marche" was founded ten months ago and is not represented in the parliament. Is it similar to the USA where the president needs the congress and senat for passing laws?

The president chooses the prime minister. The prime minister selects the rest of the government. The government governs France. Laws are voted on in both chambers, house of representatives and senate. The president's main role, beyond choosing the prime minister (typically from the parliamentary majority), is in international relations and as commander in chief.

Originally Posted by Green Yoshi

German politicans and media endorse him, but some politicians from the left party think that he is neoliberal and has no intention of changing the EU.

I think macron would be a terrible, terrible president, who would perpetuate most of the problems France has developed over the last 30+ years.

So, a hell of a lot better than most other favorites.

Edit: So is fillon starting to completely lose his shit? After "journalists don't get to pick the questions" from a cple of days ago, now it's "yes, there were other attacks, read the [nonexistent] police reports!" Pressure getting to him much?
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Systolique
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(04-21-2017, 01:01 PM)
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Originally Posted by Fistwell

Edit: So is fillon starting to completely lose his shit? After "journalists don't get to pick the questions" from a cple of days ago, now it's "yes, there were other attacks, read the [nonexistent] police reports!" Pressure getting to him much?

Just saw this, can't wait to watch him crash and burn
Alx
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(04-21-2017, 01:06 PM)
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Took a page from Trump's book I guess. "Stand by your statements whatever happens, it's not about truth but what people believe" etc.
Auctopus
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(04-21-2017, 01:07 PM)
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Originally Posted by Alx

Yeah, she even said that the Bataclan attacks wouldn't have happened if she had been in charge at the time.

Originally Posted by Chibrou

Oh, yes you're right.
By asserting a great number of bullshit points that doesn't resist any scrutiny.

Originally Posted by Golden_Pigeon

She implying that they wouldn't be in France in the first place.
Except most of the terrorists were french.
And nothing more than her political program would create terrorist attack in France, and i think she is fully aware and would want that to grab full authority.

Couldn't believe someone running for office would make that sort of claim. Yeah, seems like she wants to bury her head in the sand when it comes to "home-grown" terrorism.

Originally Posted by Systolique

Yes, she is batshit insane.

She also said very recently that "while 0% soil attack risk doesn't exist, every other candidate including government are 100% soil attack risk", great rhetoric from a respectable person eh?

Damn, yeah I watched a radio interview with her regarding the attack yesterday and the authoritarian rhetoric she pushed through her best "sad face" really got to me.
Khaz
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(04-21-2017, 01:09 PM)
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The Prime Minister is vetoed by the National Assembly. It means he/she needs to be of the same colour as the strongest group in there.

Even if Le Pen is elected, she literally won't be able to govern because her party won't be able to have enough representatives elected. It's also a big sticking point for Macron, who needs to find 577 fresh faces to present to the people. It's very likely the National Assembly will have a LR (Fillon) majority and nothing will work for the next five years.
Magni
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(04-21-2017, 01:11 PM)
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Originally Posted by Alx

Higher ups can't say much since what they do is legal, unfortunately. The internet and social networks are still "the Wild West", and trying to control/censor it isn't really well received (with good reasons).
I kind of hope that in the end social networks will just crumble because of that behaviour. They went from being for students, to being aimed at your grandma, to being used by professionals, corporations and politics, maybe the next step is for it to become a playground for "fouteurs de merde". At which point most regular people will just leave.

He can call them out and shame them. Would be better than nothing. Jut because it's technically legal* doesn't mean it needs to be tolerated.

* is it even technically legal? Is there no harassment law on the books that would cover this shit? Nevermind enforcement
Incognito
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(04-21-2017, 01:12 PM)
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whats with the le pen tumble? looking like wilders in netherlands. flying too close to sun.
Orniletter
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(04-21-2017, 01:15 PM)
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Originally Posted by Green Yoshi

German politicans and media endorse him, but some politicians from the left party think that he is neoliberal and has no intention of changing the EU.

Liked by the grand coalition and hated by our incompetent, arsehole left party ?
Sounds like a great politician.

Edit: Still crossing my fingers, go Macron/Fillion second round !
Alx
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(04-21-2017, 01:17 PM)
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Originally Posted by Magni

He can call them out and shame them. Would be better than nothing. Jut because it's technically legal* doesn't mean it needs to be tolerated.

* is it even technically legal? Is there no harassment law on the books that would cover this shit? Nevermind enforcement

Well it's true it would have been a good gesture from Mélenchon to disavow such behaviour, but then maybe he doesn't really feel that way. After all he bases most of his message on people being angry and "insoumis".
As for the line between agressive discussion and harassment, I guess it's not always easy to tell. I suppose flooding social networks with negative opinions isn't really harassment.

Originally Posted by Incognito

whats with the le pen tumble? looking like wilders in netherlands. flying too close to sun.

She didn't drop that much actually, went from 25-26% to 22%. It's not too surprising that she dropped slightly once the other candidates became more visible. Also the expected participation rate has been rising (started at 60%, will probably be around 75%, unless the latest events make it even higher), and that may not be to her benefits.
Last edited by Alx; 04-21-2017 at 01:19 PM.
Systolique
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(04-21-2017, 01:19 PM)
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Originally Posted by Incognito

whats with the le pen tumble? looking like wilders in netherlands. flying too close to sun.

A big thing Marine Le Pen has tried to do since taking the party from her father is hide its antisemitism, homophobic, extremist, fascist-like stance on politics.

She seems to have succeeded in some parts, but recently she made a comment saying that France was not responsible for the "Vel d'Hiv"(english wikipedia page), this might be one of the many reasons she's dipping, other than failing at all debates and poor media management as of recently
Funky Papa
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(04-21-2017, 01:21 PM)
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Originally Posted by Incognito

whats with the le pen tumble? looking like wilders in netherlands. flying too close to sun.

Don't jinx it.
KernelPanic
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(04-21-2017, 01:24 PM)
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Seems like everyone but Macron is cozy with Russia.
Funky Papa
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(04-21-2017, 01:24 PM)
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Originally Posted by KernelPanic

Seems like everyone but Macron is cozy with Russia.

Hamon.

But nobody likes Hamon :(
Systolique
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(04-21-2017, 01:26 PM)
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Originally Posted by Funky Papa

Hamon.

But nobody likes Hamon :(

I do <3
KingSnake
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(04-21-2017, 01:28 PM)
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I don't understand why is Melenchon cozy with Russia, though. Except for some misdirected nostalgia towards Soviet Union.

Russia of today is a "right wing country" (quoting from earlier in the thread) and economically is more of a wild west capitalism than anything else.
azyless
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(04-21-2017, 01:32 PM)
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Originally Posted by Funky Papa

Hamon.

But nobody likes Hamon :(

Plenty of people like Hamon ! I wish I could vote for him without fear of a Fillon/Le Pen second round.
Khaz
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(04-21-2017, 01:32 PM)
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Originally Posted by KingSnake

I don't understand why is Melenchon cozy with Russia, though. Except for some misdirected nostalgia towards Soviet Union.

His official stance is pacifism at all costs.
(bending to Russian demands prevents wars initiated by Russia)
Really though, Russia likely gave him campaign money.
Funky Papa
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(04-21-2017, 01:33 PM)
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Originally Posted by KingSnake

I don't understand why is Melenchon cozy with Russia, though. Except for some misdirected nostalgia towards Soviet Union.

Russia of today is a "right wing country" (quoting from earlier in the thread) and economically is more of a wild west capitalism than anything else.

The nu-left/resurgent European left has some serious cognitive dissonance issues. Dislike NATO? Think capitalism is flawed? Then throw yourself into the loving arms of anybody who happens to be strongly anti-American.

I'm all for dumping NATO and reforming our economies, but it's incredibly infuriating and intellectually lazy. This bullshit has been seeping from old timey eurocommunism into newer movements and I find it maddening beyond words.
Chibrou
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(04-21-2017, 01:34 PM)
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Originally Posted by Funky Papa

Hamon.

But nobody likes Hamon :(


I do too.
Alx
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(04-21-2017, 01:34 PM)
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Originally Posted by Khaz

His official stance is pacifism at all costs.

"You can't be at war if you surrender immediately !"
*taps forehead*
KingSnake
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(04-21-2017, 01:37 PM)
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Originally Posted by Khaz

His official stance is pacifism at all costs.
(bending to Russian demands prevents wars initiated by Russia)

How would pacifism work if Russia's demands are conflicting with other countries' interests? What if Russia's demand are conflicting with France's interests? Just turn around and bend over?
Fistwell
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(04-21-2017, 01:40 PM)
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Originally Posted by Funky Papa

But nobody likes Hamon :(

Originally Posted by Fistwell

Originally Posted by Holden

look at that sexy mthrfucker I mean damn RRrrR

Originally Posted by Fistwell

Originally Posted by Fistwell

<3
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Alx
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(04-21-2017, 01:42 PM)
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Don't make me whip out the snapchat picture again... :P
Fistwell
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(04-21-2017, 01:44 PM)
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Originally Posted by Alx

Don't make me whip out the snapchat picture again... :P

:)
Herb Alpert
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(04-21-2017, 01:47 PM)
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Originally Posted by Funky Papa

Hamon.

But nobody likes Hamon :(

I do. But voting for him would bring back PS.

I think hamon is honest and sincere. I have seen him many time when cameras don't roll. The guy seems really to be a man of integrity.
but PS as left political party can't be trusted, and he's paying that.
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Khaz
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(04-21-2017, 01:52 PM)
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Originally Posted by KingSnake

How would pacifism work if Russia's demands are conflicting with other countries' interests? What if Russia's demand are conflicting with France's interests? Just turn around and bend over?

Bend over again. He's already ready to renegotiate Ukraine's and other Eastern European countries borders, regardless of said countries opinion, because some people over there speak russian. The Russian propaganda machine runs full speed with him.
Sinsem
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(04-21-2017, 01:55 PM)
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Originally Posted by Khaz

Really though, Russia likely gave him campaign money.

I'm fine with criticism, especially when Mélenchon foreign policy is not 100% clear, but can we avoid pure speculation? It's almost slandering here.
Khaz
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(04-21-2017, 01:56 PM)
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Originally Posted by Sinsem

I'm fine with criticism, especially when Mélenchon foreign policy is not 100% clear, but can we avoid pure speculation? It's almost slandering here.

If he isn't paid by Russia, he's an even bigger tool than I could imagine.

But you're right, it's pure speculation at this point.
ebil
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(04-21-2017, 01:58 PM)
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Originally Posted by Funky Papa

Hamon.

But nobody likes Hamon :(

Oh a lot of us do. :(

Especially his stance towards international matters, which is spot on. But he realistically has no chance of making it to the second round, and Parti Socialiste needs to crash and burn at this point.
Fisico
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(04-21-2017, 01:58 PM)
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Originally Posted by Khaz

It's very likely the National Assembly will have a LR (Fillon) majority and nothing will work for the next five years.

I don't think so?

If Fillon doesn't win the presidential then it's 99% sure that there won't be a LR majority, the party of the elected president will not have majority either though (whether it's Melenchon Macron or Le Pen)

The most likely scenario is that Macron wins, LR ends up with 200-250 deputees, PS 80-120 - EELV 2-10, Front de Gauche 15-40, En Marche 120-200, MODEM 15-30

And with some negotiations a few dozen deputees from PS might leave PS for En Marche (in top of the one who would've already done so beforehand), a few extra from LR to En Marche and that poaching process might take a few months where Macron will use "ordonnance" and "49.3" like crazy as he said.

If he feels like it and a good opportunity arises Macron might even dissolve the assembly and gets his own majority later on.

Originally Posted by Funky Papa

Hamon.

But nobody likes Hamon :(

I love him
Sinsem
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(04-21-2017, 02:10 PM)
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Yeah, wathever happens, whoever wins the presidency, Législatives are going to be a mess.
Ekid
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(04-21-2017, 02:23 PM)
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François Fillon persists in his announcement of other attacks last night,which obviously never hapenned.

https://twitter.com/Qofficiel/status/855375544367624192

Also it seems he is ready to give the money back (1 million), if he is elected.

http://www.slate.fr/story/144278/fil...-rendre-argent

Dude is going full Trump at this point. In some way it would annoy me even more than LePen if he was to access second turn (hope the both lose to Macron in the end of course).
azyless
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(04-21-2017, 02:31 PM)
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Loved his remarks about Léa Salamé's pregnancy too. I hope he gets humiliated in the first round and goes back to the 19th century where he belongs.
Sinsem
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(04-21-2017, 02:32 PM)
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Originally Posted by Ekid

Also it seems he is ready to give the money back (1 million), if he is elected.

I have no words.
Herb Alpert
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(04-21-2017, 02:35 PM)
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Originally Posted by Sinsem

I have no words.

Yeah that's incredible.

I'm really worried he may make it to round 2 though.
Alx
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(04-21-2017, 02:35 PM)
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Originally Posted by Ekid

Also it seems he is ready to give the money back (1 million), if he is elected.

That would sound a bit weird indeed (still a rumor, though). When you think about it, it can make sense : if he's elected, all procedure will stop for the duration of the presidency, so we'd spend 5 years wondering if he's guilty or innocent. Giving back the money would be a way of dismissing such concerns (partially at least).
Magni
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(04-21-2017, 02:39 PM)
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Mélenchon is essentially Chamberlain when it comes to Putin. Le Pen is Mussolini?
G.O.O.
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(04-21-2017, 02:52 PM)
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Originally Posted by Ekid

François Fillon persists in his announcement of other attacks last night,which obviously never hapenned.

https://twitter.com/Qofficiel/status/855375544367624192

Also it seems he is ready to give the money back (1 million), if he is elected.

http://www.slate.fr/story/144278/fil...-rendre-argent

Hahahaha get fucked you corrupted piece of arse
fantomena
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(04-21-2017, 03:00 PM)
I think Le Pen will win or at least do really good.

I hope Im wrong.

My mother said she will win and she said numerous times before the US election Trump would win (she would be a Democrat if she was american).
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Shahadan
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Marine has zero chance of winning this time, and reportedly knows it well (she's not dumb either). Will probably win the first turn though

In 5 years, however, if she's still here and the traditional parties are dead like they're supposed to be, maybe
Leonsito
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(04-21-2017, 03:08 PM)
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Rooting for Mélenchon.
Systolique
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(04-21-2017, 03:14 PM)
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Originally Posted by fantomena

My mother said she will win and she said numerous times before the US election Trump would win (she would be a Democrat if she was american).

Great source and great insight, thanks !
fantomena
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(04-21-2017, 03:28 PM)

Originally Posted by Systolique

Great source and great insight, thanks !

Well, honestly, I would rather take political insights from her than from PoliGAF who said that Hillary would win by a landslide.

Yeah I know PoliGAF isn't one person, but the consensus was that Hillary would win massively.
Sec0nd
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(04-21-2017, 03:34 PM)
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I've got to be in Paris this coming Monday for work. Anything to worry about with the first election round this Sunday? Possible rioting or whatever in a case of upsets?

Just want to be prepared :)
Systolique
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(04-21-2017, 03:37 PM)
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Originally Posted by Sec0nd

I've got to be in Paris this coming Monday for work. Anything to worry about with the first election round this Sunday? Possible rioting or whatever in a case of upsets?

Just want to be prepared :)

No, there might be peaceful protest if Marine gets to second round on big places but nothing to fear really, security will be as uptight as it can get too so I don't think it's going to be any safer to be in Paris in those times
Fistwell
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Originally Posted by Sec0nd

I've got to be in Paris this coming Monday for work. Anything to worry about with the first election round this Sunday? Possible rioting or whatever in a case of upsets?

Just want to be prepared :)

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Chibrou
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(04-21-2017, 03:59 PM)
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Originally Posted by Sec0nd

I've got to be in Paris this coming Monday for work. Anything to worry about with the first election round this Sunday? Possible rioting or whatever in a case of upsets?

Just want to be prepared :)

Don't steal anybody's wallpaper and you'll be fine.

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