Originally Posted by azyless
It must take a certain amount of mental gymnastics to convince yourself that deaths related to blasphemy or apostasy laws have absolutely nothing to do with religion.
Originally Posted by azyless
You can use that argument for pretty much every crime but I don't see people on here handwaving away racism/homophobia-related crimes because "hey that person would have probably found another reason to kill anyway".
That guy literally died because of blasphemy and somehow some people still put their fingers in their ears while they scream that religion has nothing to do with anything. Religion truly is untouchable.
Originally Posted by nynt9
Re: context of phrases:
Here's the problem. These phrases are used to justify extremism, because they can easily be taken out of context. You can choose to take in a lot of context and soften the blow of those phrases, but extremists often don't. You are taking a charitable reading. Many extremists simply contextualize these phrases as "we are in a constant state of war against unbelievers" and then boom, everything is allowed.
Thing is, a lot of people who become radicalized don't do intense readings of the text and choose that path. They are preached to by others who use radical interpretations of phrases like those. Which was exactly my point. To claim there is NO basis for extremism in the text is purely false. There is some basis for it. You can take those words as-is to justify it. Context should matter, but not everyone is willing to use the context to soften phrases like this. Extremists prefer to take the phrases as-is.
When texts contain phrases like that, where you have to explain people the greater context to make them sound not super horrible, that is a problem. Not everyone has the same goodwill. As we can see in the actions taken by people in the story in the OP.
This is the problem with religion. Everyone can claim their own interpretation is the most valid. Since it is not based on facts, and is often derived from vague, contradictory texts, people can take it a long way.
Yes. Therein lies the problem. The fact that it's not based on facts, but faith (which is inherently about believing without
evidence), is what makes it so toxic.
Originally Posted by Gaminar
Unless, you had something good to say with a thought provoking introduction statement instead of "clutching my pearls" it would have made sense to interject your opinion on a one to one discussion.
No, that's not how it works. By the way, you are tone policing again.
You're literally complaining about me asking to keep the level of the decorum in a discussion without profanities? Typical to hype it up as oppression.
Hype it up as.... what? I am doing no such thing. You're just making shit up again.
As far as the rest of your post goes. LOL. I'm not going to even bother with you.
Yeah? there's literally 4 paragraphs following that statement. You wanna try that again?
I had a good look at your post history... seriously, keep up with the anti-Islam agenda. And keep insulting me trying to get personal about "English" being my first language.
I said that because I find your posts to be incredibly incoherent, full of rambling nonsense about things I didn't do and didn't say, so I wanted to give you the benefit of doubt. If English is indeed your first language and you feel insulted, well, I apologize. I guess the incoherent drivel in your posts can't be explained by the language barrier. *shrugs*
And of course I will defend it. I'm Muslim
Why can't you acknowledge that there is a problem with the source
of your religion, that would make such beliefs against blasphemy become widespread?
Feel free to step in without getting personal.
I didn't get personal earlier, but you did, by telling me to "mind my own business" and then telling me I "live in an alternate reality" and all sorts of other things. Stop being an hypocrite and actually address what is being said instead of whining about being offended.
Originally Posted by HellforLeather
No, just religion. If you believe your actions are justified by a holy entity who exists beyond space, time and human comprehension, who created the universe and all that is within it, that justifies any horrific act that their holy book prescribe.
People are only considered "radical" when they actually follow the text in their holy books. Basically non-radicals are they people who decide to cherry pick the good bits and discard at least some of the crazy shit.