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Amonkhet set information
Previous topic: Aether Revolt (OT10)
Next set: Hour of Devastation
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INTRO
Welcome to the Multiverse! Multiple worlds exist side by side in different dimensions, known as planes, and they are as different as night and day. All of them, however, have a form of magical energy known as mana. Most residents of these planes are unaware of other worlds, but there are some special beings with the ability to safely travel between them, known as Planeswalkers.

Magic: the Gathering is a Trading Card Game, the first of its kind, developed by Richard Garfield and his playtesters for the gaming company Wizards of the Coast in 1993. The game quickly became a hit, and it is currently bigger than it has ever been. You and your opponent play the role of dueling Planeswalkers, using customized decks made up of your spells, the creatures you can summon, your mana bonds with lands, and even other Planeswalkers you can call in to help out. Whoever can get every opponent down to 0 life wins.

This time, we visit the Egyptian mythology world of Amonkhet, featuring mummies, gods, and a graveyard theme. Now, let's dive into Ancient Egypt!


Banned and Restricted List Update - For the first time in years, cards have been banned in Standard:
* Emrakul, the Promised End
* Smuggler's Copter
* Reflector Mage

But many still consider Standard to be a mess right now, and people expect more cards to be banned at the next update. Felidar Guardian is very likely to be banned, and many say Gideon, Ally of Zendikar is possible too.

EDIT: Felidar Guardian has been banned. And here's an explanation of the Copycat deck and why it needed a ban.

GETTING STARTED
If you're a beginner, feel free to come in. Us regulars can get a bit technical with card evaluations and use a lot of jargon, and many of us will loudly proclaim that a cool-looking card is junk, or say that a lame-looking card is really powerful, so ask us if you want an explanation.

To see what a game is like, check out Geek and Sundry's Spellslinger series (now discontinued), where Day[9] battled various geek celebrities, often losing, using simple and easy to follow decks.

To get started, check out the official page. Basically:
* It's recommended that new players play Magic Duels (thread). It's a great way to learn the game on your own, and it's free!
* After that point, the act of deck building can be intimidating, so it's recommended that you try out a preconstructed deck and customize it with other cards you get, before you start making your own from scratch. Planeswalker Decks are preconstructed decks that come with four unique new cards, including a new Planeswalker card. If you have a friend to play with, there are also Duel Decks that provide two decks for a game right out of the box, but are a bit more complicated.
* To get your physical collection started, buy a Deck Builder's Toolkit, which includes not just a starting collection of cards (including a lot of lands), but also some booster packs and a good box to store cards in. The Holiday Gift Box provides an even larger starting collection and better storage.
* The different play formats can be found here. The most popular formats where you start out with no deck and have to make them from scratch (Limited) are Draft and Sealed. The most popular formats where you bring a 60-card deck ahead of time (Constructed) are Standard, Modern, and Legacy. Casual play has no restrictions other than what your friends decide. Once your skill advances, another popular way to play Magic casually is Commander.
* While game stores will often hold Magic events at other times, every store that has Magic events will have Friday Night Magic. There, you will be able to find other players in your area to both have matches with and trade with. Find game stores here. And to get started participating in your local game store (LGS) scene, attend an open house or prerelease event!

OPEN HOUSE AND PRERELEASE
While the set won't officially be sold until the release date, that isn't the first time you can get your hands on the new cards. Game stores will hold Magic Open House events specifically meant for new players, with people there to give you simple Welcome Decks and teach you how to play.

The big thing to look forward to, however, is the prerelease event held for every set. You play in the Sealed format, where every player is given a box with six booster packs and a random additional rare card. From this pool of cards, all of which you keep, each player builds a deck of 40 cards and participates in a Swiss-system tournament. This is a fun and casual event, where everyone is still trying to figure out the set, so don't worry about messing up. In addition to normal duels, there are also Two-Headed Giant events, where you pair up with another player and face off against another team.

The Magic Open House will be on April 15, 2017. Prerelease events will be held on April 22-23, 2017. Call your local game store a few days ahead of time to register for the prerelease, or they might just run out of room. Find local game stores here.



STORY
Lore introduction
Amonkhet story
Trailer

Amonkhet is a harsh desert world where everything that dies is cursed to rise again. People gather in oases, magically protected from the sand and horrors, raising warriors to go through the Trials of the Five Gods and thus gain their favor.

After halting the plans of the evil dragon Planeswalker Nicol Bolas on Kaladesh, the heroic Gatewatch have decided to confront him on Amonkhet, where he is worshiped as God-Pharaoh. The Gatewatch hope to catch Bolas off guard, but can they stand a chance when everyone in the world is against them?

Story archive
Planeswalker biographies

CARD THEMES
Card image gallery
Mechanics

Only whores can save us
On Amonkhet, the gods walk among the people as a constant presence. There are five god cards, each a single color.


Unlike on Theros, the gods are always creatures, but they won't bother to help you unless you meet their conditions. Still, they will lend a bit of their power no matter what, through activated abilities.



Mummies Alive!
Embalm
What is an Egyptian world without mummies? In fact, the people of Amonkhet often welcome death.


Creatures with embalm are willing to be mummified after they die, thus unusually becoming white-aligned zombies. Exile them from your graveyard to create a token copy, except it is monowhite and a zombie in addition to its other types, and it has no mana cost. Surprisingly, every single embalm creature has its own token, which you can get in booster packs. If you don't get the right one, then some booster packs feature punch cards with "embalmed" markers that you can overlay onto the mana cost of your original creature card, thus representing the token.



URRRRRRGH
Exert


When certain creatures attack, you may exert them. If you do, they put a bit more effort into their attack and trigger a special ability, but they then have to rest and thus don't untap for your next turn. Of course, if you give the creatures vigilance or untap them with a spell or ability, then there's no cost at all! Some booster packs will feature punch cards with "exerted" markers that you can put on your creatures as reminders not to untap them.

Here we go again
Cycling


One of Magic's most frequently used non-evergreen mechanics is back! There are times when a card in your hand just isn't useful at the moment, and almost anything could be better. Cards with cycling may be discarded to draw a new card, sometimes with a bonus effect.



The hell is this?
Aftermath


It's a split card? But what's going on with the layout? The top half of the card can be cast from your hand, but for the bottom half with aftermath, you can cast it from and only from your graveyard, whereupon you exile it. The key to the layout is that when it's in your hand, your eyes are drawn to the text on the top half, and while its in your graveyard, you can stick the bottom half out of your discard pile and thus always know it's there.

Don't give a damn about my bad Invocation
Battle for Zendikar, Kaladesh, and every block after all have a special set of reprints known as masterpiece cards. They are printed at a rarity higher than mythic rare, but have no unique cards and don't affect what's in Standard. Each set's masterpiece collection is foiled with a special themed frame, and the past two have been very well received. Amonkhet masterpiece collection is known Amonkhet Invocations. Let's see how amazing they are!

Oh no.... oh no no no...




RESOURCES
Official articles - Nicknamed the Mothership, these articles are the primary source of news. Recommended columns are Making Magic, written by the head designer, Mark Rosewater (aka MaRo); Magic Story, which tells the story, written by various authors; and Latest Developments, written by various Magic developers. The other articles generally discuss deck building. For older articles before the site changed, go here.
Card image gallery - Best way to see all of the spoiled cards together, but only updates once a day.
Blogatog - Tumblr ran by Mark Rosewater where he answers questions, updates very frequently.
Drive to Work - Mark Rosewater's weekly podcast about Magic that he literally records as he drives to work. Two episodes are released every Friday.
MTG Salvation's Rumor Mill - The best place to get new card information. The community sucks, though.
Mythic Spoiler - A good way to see what cards have been spoiled, updates throughout the day.
Gatherer - The official method of searching through released cards. Has autocomplete.
Scryfall - The better search method, with bigger cards, but it doesn't have autocomplete.
Game store locator

PREVIOUS THREADS
Aether Revolt (OT10)
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Eldritch Moon (OT8)
Shadows over Innistrad (OT7)
Oath of the Gatewatch OT (OT6)
Battle for Zendikar OT (OT5)
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SCHEDULE
Amonkhet
Start of spoilers - April 3, 2017
Full reveal - April 14, 2017
Magic Open House - April 15, 2017
Prerelease - April 22-23, 2017
Release - April 28, 2017
Magic Online Launch - April 24, 2017
On Sale in Magic Online - April 28, 2017

Grand Prix Mexico City (Team Limited) - April 7-9
Grand Prix Richmond (Limited) - May 5-7
Grand Prix Bologna (Limited) - May 5-7
Grand Prix Beijing (Limited) - May 5-7
Pro Tour Amonkhet (Standard, Draft) - May 12-14
Grand Prix Montreal (Standard) - May 19-21
Grand Prix Santiago (Standard) - May 19-21
Grand Prix Copenhagen (Modern) - May 26-28
Grand Prix Kobe (Modern) - May 26-28
Grand Prix Omaha (Standard) - June 2-4
Grand Prix Amsterdam (Standard) - June 2-4
Grand Prix Manila (Standard) - June 2-4

Commander Anthology - June 9, 2017
Announcement Week - June 12-16, 2017
Grand Prix Las Vegas (Legacy, Limited, Modern) - June 15-18
Archenemy: Nicol Bolas - June 16, 2017

Hour of Devastation
Estimated start of spoilers - June 18, 2017
Full reveal - June 30, 2017
Prerelease - July 8-9, 2017

HIGHLIGHTS
Previous thread
Dusk // Dawn
Oracle's Vault, Archfiend of Ifnir, Glorybringer; Liliana, Death Wielder; Gideon, Martial Paragon
So Much Amonkhet News
Amonkhet Invocations (start of reveal through day)
Miasma Mummy
Amonkhet Invocations full reveal; Magic Story - Impact
Basic lands
Unwavering Initiate, Story slides
Aven Mindcensor, Glorybringer normal art
Renewed Faith, Prowling Serpopard
Bicycle lands

Monday, April 3
Hazoret the Fervent/Pervert, Anointer Priest, Ahn-Crop Crasher, Destined // Lead, Limits of Solidarity, Flameblade Adept, Nest of Scarabs, Crocodile of the Crossing, Cartouche of Solidarity, Trial of Knowledge, In Oketra's Name, Djeru's Resolve
Split cards functional change
Amonkhet trailer, Sacred Cat

Tuesday, April 4
Lay Bare the Heart, Prepared // Fight, Channeler Initiate, Monuments; Temmet, Vizier of Naktamun; Onward // Victory; Tah-Crop Elite; Splendid Agony; Consuming Fervor; Exemplar of Strength; Scribe of the Mindful; Essence Scatter; Decision Paralysis
Drake Haven, Cast Out, Kefnet the Mindful
Floodwaters

Wednesday, March 5
Watchers of the Dead
Gideon of the Trials, Trials, Cartouches
Painful Lesson
Combat Celebrant, Magic Story - Trust; Dusk // Dawn official reveal
Scarab Feast
Rags // Riches, Insult // Injury, Cut // Ribbons, As Foretold
Mouth // Feed
Pouncing Cheetah, Colossapede

Thursday, April 6
Regal Caracal
Throne of the God-Pharaoh, Manglehorn, Magma Spray, Curator of Mysteries, Glory-Bound Initiate; Liliana, Death's Majesty; Gideon, Martial Paragon
Battlefield Scavenger, Watchful Naga, Planeswalker Deck cards, Failure // Comply; Hapatra, Vizier of Poisons
Soul-Scar Mage, Hazoret's Favor

Friday, April 7
Cruel Reality
Approach of the Second Sun, Angel of Sanctions, New Perspectives
Dissenter's Deliverance, Bounty of the Luxa, Winged Shepard, Nimble-Blade Khenra, Supply Caravan, fewer Gatewatch planeswalker cards
Champion of Rhonas, Drive to Work: Lessons Learned - Battle for Zendikar

Saturday, April 8
SCG Worcester Legacy Open Day 1
Sunday, April 9
SCG Worcester Legacy Open Day 2
Vizier of the Menagerie
Liliana's Expertise

Monday, April 10
Oketra the True, Censor
Honored Hydra, Never // Return
Pull from Tomorrow, Unburden
Neheb, the Worthy
Reduce // Rubble, Doomed Dissenter
Pyramid of the Pantheon, Quarry Hauler, Heaven // Earth

Tuesday, April 11
Deem Worthy, Shefet Monitor, Stir the Sands, Vizier of the Tumbling Sands, Sunscorched Desert, Grim Strider, Cryptic Serpent
Nissa, Steward of the Elements, Dread Wanderer, Plague Belcher, Lord of the Accursed, book Generation Decks released in paperback, Rhonas the Indomitable
Annointed Procession
Harsh Mentor
Protection of the Hekma, Entertainment Weekly art
Bontu the Glorified

Wednesday, April 12
Glyph Keeper, Sweltering Suns
Samut, Voice of Dissent; Enigma Drake; Wayward Servant; By Force; Magic Story - The Writing on the Wall
Vizier of Many Faces
Gideon's Intervention
Oketra's Assistant, Grasping Dunes, Cradle of the Accursed, Harvest Season, Bloodfury Militant

Thursday, April 13
Shadow of the Grave, Hieroglyphic Illumination, Start // Finish, Cascading Cataracts, Spring // Mind, Commit // Memory, Dispossess
Tokens, Sandwurm Convergence, Glorious End
Heart-Piercer Manticore, Vizier of Deferment
Amonkhet Preview Show, Painted Bluffs, Blinding Mummy, Embalmer's Tools, Lay Claim, Time to Reflect, Bloodlust Inciter, Labyrinth Guardian

Friday, April 14
Full reveal
Anger for some reason about Liliana period joke from Alison Luhrs
LoadingReadyRun Pre-Prerelease

April 17
Christopher Moeller stepping away from Magic art
Limited Set Review: White
April 18
Commander 2017 announcement
Ixalan announcement, link posting argument
Limited Set Review: Blue
April 19
Magic Story - Servants
Iconic Masters, hydra discussion
April 20
Iconic Masters product information, Reserved List discussion
April 21
Iconic Masters won't reprint Reserved List cards
Limited Set Review complete
April 22
Prerelease
April 24
Banned and Restricted list update, RIP Standard
"Go to combat" update, Amonkhet on Magic Online
Commander Banned list update
April 26
Magic Story - The Hand That Moves
Felidar Guardian emergency banned
Explanation of Copycat deck and ban
April 27
Magic addiction worse than meth, Gideon tribal deck
Irrational core set panic
April 28
Discussing "vanilla matters"
April 29
SCG Atlanta Open Day 1
April 30
Archery-Baseball announced, SCG Atlanta Open Day 2

May 3
Magic Story - Brazen; Online 1v1 Commander Ban List
Tribal Commander Challenge
May 4
Official MTG Minecraft skins
May 5
Magic Online 1v1 and Multiplayer Commander Ban Lists will be split
May 6
Grand Prix Richmond (Limited) Day 1
Rags to Riches 10 (Pauper tournament)
May 7
Grand Prix Richmond (Limited) Day 2
May 8
Star City Games tournament schedule
May 10
Annointed Procession and Kalitas odd interaction; Magic Story - Trespass
May 11
New Perspectives deck
May 12
Pro Tour Amonkhet Day 1
May 13
Pro Tour Amonkhet Day 2
May 14
Pro Tour Amonkhet Day 3
May 16
Cryptic making game, probably Magic MMO
Helene Bergeot quits
May 17
Introduction of Play Design; Magic Story - Judgment
May 20
Grand Prix Montreal (Standard) Day 1, SCG Louisville Open Team Constructed (Standard, Modern, Legacy) Day 1
May 21
Grand Prix Montreal Day 2
Grand Prix Santiago (Standard) Top 8
May 22
Friday Night Magic promos - July to September
May 23
HasCon passes up, Magic event information
May 24
Commander 2017 leaks - O-Kagachi, Vengeful Kami; Wasitora, Nekoru Queen; The Ur-Dragon, Cat Dragon token, various dragon reprints
May 25
Commander 2017 leak - Taigam, Ojutai Master; Ramos, Dragon Engine
Amaz invited to next Pro Tour
May 26
Grand Prix Kobe (Modern) Day 1
May 27
Grand Prix Copenhagen (Modern) Day 1, Grand Prix Kobe Day 2
SCG Baltimore Open (Modern) Day 1, Card Kingdom Legacy Preservation Series
May 28
Grand Prix Kobe Top 8, Grand Prix Copenhagen Top 8
May 29
Commander Anthology details, RoboRosewater articles, traveler's Mardu Reanimator list
May 31
Magic Story - Pride of the Kraul

June 1
Hour of Devastation leaks - Bontu's Last Reckoning; Samut, the Tested; Nicol Bolas, God-Pharaoh
June 4
Grand Prix Amsterdam, Grand Prix Manila Top 8, Grand Prix Amsterdam Top 8, Grand Prix Omaha, lots of Marvel
Grand Prix Omaha Top 8

June 5
Archenemy: Nicol Bolas full reveal
June 6
Next thread title discussion
June 7
Magic Story - Hour of Revelation; Magic MMO confirmed
June 8
Hall of Fame updates and how it affects Pikula, Magic Online updates
June 9
Announcement Week announced
Metamorphosis 2.0 announced
June 10
SCG Charlotte Open (Modern)
June 11
SCG Charlotte Open Day 2, Top 8
June 12
Metamorphosis 2.0 article announcing Standard changes
June 13
Aetherworks Marvel banned; fewer Banned & Restricted announcements; Magic Duels discontinued
Hour of Devastation leaks - Ramunap Excavator, Wildfire Eternal, Abrade, Adorned Pouncer
June 14
25th Anniversary Announcement Day, Magic Story - Feast; Nicol Bolas, the Deceiver
Gift Pack
Mythic vanilla is in Unstable
June 15
Ixalan leaks - Foil rare sheet images; Pro Tour date changes
Grand Prix Las Vegas (Legacy) Day 1
Rivals of Ixalan key art leak
Hour of Devastation reveal - Full art lands
Hour of Devastation reveal - Jace's Defeat, Nissa's Defeat
Ixalan leaks - Full rare sheet
Hour of Devastation reveal - Gideon's Defeat, Liliana's Defeat




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Ashodin
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(04-03-2017, 01:56 AM)
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Originally Posted by SigmasonicX

Alright, time to make the next topic. I'll make two posts after this, which will be branched off into the new topic.

Thread title:
Magic: the Gathering |OT11| Amonkhet - Have you ever had decks with a Pharaoh?

this is some ol bullshit

jk. I don't get the reference tho
charlequin
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Originally Posted by Ashodin

jk. I don't get the reference tho

https://youtu.be/EOpQdJ5F5TI?t=114
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Santiako
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Out of the community ghetto once more!

Subscribed.
sgjackson
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a casual magic friend is hyped enough about an egypt-themed set to ask me about going to a prerelease which has me pretty stoked
Wulfric
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Originally Posted by Santiako

Out of the community ghetto once more!

Subscribed.

I didn't realize we had left community at all. :)

Love the Yugioh references. I honestly hope we get some sort of Exodia-esque combo. Alas, Maze's End was pretty much the same idea.

And when did the Wall of Shame disappear? I feel like it's been a while since it was in the OP.

bigkrev
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I'm so happy that I will be able to build a deck with Egyptian God Cards!
Imperfected
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I am tentatively excited for more Gods and Zombos due to my love of dumb tribal EDH decks. (I've already got a 5-color Godstuff deck, and I've always wanted to do Zombies but felt like as a tribe they just aren't fun enough.)

I assume graveyard mechanics will just lead to another round of graveyard hate, so it's kind of whatever, same as it always is.
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I don't say it enough, but thanks SigmaSonic. The work you do Making the OTs every thread is always fantastic

Originally Posted by bigkrev

I'm so happy that I will be able to build a deck with Egyptian God Cards!

Not just Egyptian God Cards: you can also play with Motorcycles and Tribute Summon(Emerge).
OnPoint
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Excited to see the Gods
Yeef
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I think I'm most excited about seeing how they handle gods and differentiate them from the Theros ones.
SigmasonicX
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Originally Posted by Wulfric

And when did the Wall of Shame disappear? I feel like it's been a while since it was in the OP.

In other threads, the Wall of Shame is traditionally not done by the OP.
So someone else, post the Wall of Shame image.
Link
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Cosmo Clock 21
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Personally none of the early previews have gotten me excited about the set at all

but i'll still go play at prerelease anyways!
Ashodin
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Originally Posted by charlequin

https://youtu.be/EOpQdJ5F5TI?t=114

it's a reach. Thumbs down.
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i'm not entirely sold yet despite my slavish devotion to ancient egypt fetishization, but i feel like once i see the god cards maybe i will have a good idea of what to expect
Wulfric
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Originally Posted by SigmasonicX

In other threads, the Wall of Shame is traditionally not done by the OP.
So someone else, post the Wall of Shame image.
Link

Thanks, I was just curious. How do you bring up that page anyways?

Damn it, I'm #19. I'll try harder this time. Feel free to edit. :P

Ashodin
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At this point I could have figured the top 5 out but yeah

We really love fuckin' magic
Wulfric
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Originally Posted by Ashodin

At this point I could have figured the top 5 out but yeah

We really love fuckin' magic

Same, I just stay for the pretty artworks and cheesy stories. :P

But Familienoberhauptvogel, you're putting in work dude.
Imperfected
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Originally Posted by Poppy

i'm not entirely sold yet despite my slavish devotion to ancient egypt fetishization, but i feel like once i see the god cards maybe i will have a good idea of what to expect

That's kind of the make-or-break as far as flavor goes. If they don't stick the landing on the gods, it's a bombed set in that regard.

I feel like it's maybe going to be fun in Limited (because of graveyard focus) and maybe going to be a whole lot of nothing/holding pattern in Constructed (because of graveyard focus).
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Originally Posted by Ashodin

At this point I could have figured the top 5 out but yeah

We really love fuckin' magic

Yeah, at this point the mtg thread is like 90% of my GAF posts.
Violet_0
(04-03-2017, 04:02 AM)

Originally Posted by charlequin

https://youtu.be/EOpQdJ5F5TI?t=114

the pyramid scheme one (without the tacky Bolas part) is so much better

and probably stolen from reddit if I had to guess
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Ashodin
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Originally Posted by Violet_0

the pyramid scheme one (without the tacky Bolas part) is so much better

and probably stolen from reddit if I had to guess

I make my own awesomeness duder
Hero
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(04-03-2017, 04:32 AM)
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Spoilers start tomorrow, right?
Ri'Orius
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Is there a theme to the invocations? Nothing as obvious as "lands" or "artifacts," but surely they haven't already given up and moved to "cards," right?

Also, shouldn't OP have something about the brick mechanic:
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(04-03-2017, 04:34 AM)
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*flicks Bonfire of the Damned across thread*
The Technomancer
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(04-03-2017, 04:37 AM)
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Decks with a Pharaoh is great
Santiako
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Originally Posted by Hero

Spoilers start tomorrow, right?

They do indeed. In about 11 hours. Hopefully we get the Gods spoiled.
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(04-03-2017, 04:42 AM)
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Originally Posted by The Technomancer

Decks with a Pharaoh is great

11 Ways to Please Your God and Have the Best Decks Ever
OnPoint
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(04-03-2017, 04:44 AM)
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I'm really bad at evaluating Cycling. Are these lands good?
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I don't get the reference.
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Originally Posted by OnPoint

I'm really bad at evaluating Cycling. Are these lands good?

They are very good. Weather they are better than other things is harder to evaluate, but probably not
Ashodin
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Originally Posted by keeblerdrow

I don't get the reference.

It's pretty bad yeah. It's a single line out of some Jay-Z / Kanye song.
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Originally Posted by The Technomancer

They are very good. Weather they are better than other things is harder to evaluate, but probably not

Where do we think they'll see the most amount of play, format and buildstyle-wise??
traveler
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Winding Constrictor works with the brick mechanic.
Ashodin
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Originally Posted by OnPoint

I'm really bad at evaluating Cycling. Are these lands good?

They're going to see play in slower decks for sure. Having the ability to draw a card (like investigate) allows smoother play and less topdeck situations.
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Originally Posted by traveler

Winding Constrictor works with the brick mechanic.

But note it has anti-synergy with -1/-1 counters. If an opponent has a way to put them on your creature, the Snake amplifies it
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Originally Posted by Santiako

They do indeed. In about 11 hours. Hopefully we get the Gods spoiled.

Rosewater is spoiling at least one of them tomorrow, so we'll at least know mechanically how they work.

Originally Posted by OnPoint

I'm really bad at evaluating Cycling. Are these lands good?

Yes.
Santiako
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(04-03-2017, 05:11 AM)
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The bike lands will let control decks run 28 lands safely with less risk of flooding.
OnPoint
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(04-03-2017, 05:14 AM)
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Originally Posted by Santiako

The bike lands will let control decks run 28 lands safely with less risk of flooding.

I thought control was dead
Ooccoo
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(04-03-2017, 05:22 AM)
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Oracle's Vault seems pretty busted for Commander and even Standard in a Control shell.

Hopefully this set shakes up the Standard meta. I wonder if this will be the start of better answers to threats. Swing back the pendulum WOTC!

Oh, and I want RDW to be a thing.
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(04-03-2017, 05:23 AM)
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Hi new here. Right now Im running a red white vehicles for standard and starting to build a cheap Ravenous Intruder one. I can't wait for Amonkhet and the welcome decks to be out, so I can add in Glorybringer to my vehicles deck and Fling for the Ravenous Intruder one.

Fling is the best card
Ashodin
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(04-03-2017, 05:30 AM)
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Originally Posted by Ooccoo

Oracle's Vault seems pretty busted for Commander and even Standard in a Control shell.

Hopefully this set shakes up the Standard meta. I wonder if this will be the start of better answers to threats. Swing back the pendulum WOTC!

Oh, and I want RDW to be a thing.

it's a goddamn desert plane, we better get some good burn or else imma be pissed
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(04-03-2017, 05:37 AM)
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If I was still deep enough into that kind of thing, I'd be buying those new lands in bulk. I'm not the brightest bulb in the magic chandelier but I have to believe those things will be going up up up in price.
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(04-03-2017, 05:39 AM)
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I'm working on the Pia and Kiran list from the previous thread and it's pretty tough. Without Slobad in the commandzone I probably need redundant sac outlets, particularly because Mom and Dad are mana intensive.

Here's what I have right now needing 5 cuts

//Lands
1 Ancient Tomb
1 Arid Mesa
1 Blinkmoth Nexus
1 Bloodstained Mire
1 Boseiju, Who Shelters All
1 Buried Ruin
1 Crystal Vein
1 Darksteel Citadel
1 Ghost Quarter
1 Great Furnace
1 High Market
1 Inkmoth Nexus
1 Inventors' Fair
1 Mishra's Factory
10 Mountain
1 Phyrexia's Core
1 Radiant Fountain
1 Reliquary Tower
1 Scalding Tarn
1 Strip Mine
1 Wooded Foothills

//Artifacts
1 Aetherworks Marvel
1 Basalt Monolith
1 Chromatic Sphere
1 Chromatic Star
1 Chrome Mox
1 Clock of Omens
1 Cloud Key
1 Codex Shredder
1 Conjurer's Bauble
1 Fellwar Stone
1 Helm of Awakening
1 Ichor Wellspring
1 Implement of Combustion
1 Krark-Clan Ironworks
1 Lightning Greaves
1 Lotus Bloom
1 Lotus Petal
1 Mana Crypt
1 Mana Vault
1 Memory Jar
1 Mind Stone
1 Mox Diamond
1 Mox Opal
1 Paradox Engine
1 Prismatic Lens
1 Prophetic Prism
1 Pyrite Spellbomb
1 Rings of Brighthearth
1 Salvaging Station
1 Semblance Anvil
1 Sensei's Divining Top
1 Skullclamp
1 Sol Ring
1 Staff of Domination
1 Terrarion
1 Thought Vessel
1 Tormod's Crypt
1 Voltaic Key

//Enchantments
1 Blood Moon

//Instants
1 Chaos Warp
1 Galvanic Blast
1 Lightning Bolt
1 Pyroblast
1 Red Elemental Blast
1 Reiterate
1 Ricochet Trap
1 Seething Song

//Sorceries
1 Cathartic Reunion
1 Faithless Looting
1 Gamble
1 Indomitable Creativity
1 Magmatic Insight
1 Mana Geyser
1 Past in Flames
1 Recoup
1 Reforge the Soul
1 Scrap Mastery
1 Tormenting Voice
1 Trash for Treasure
1 Vandalblast
1 Wheel of Fortune

//Planeswalkers
1 Daretti, Scrap Savant

//Creatures
1 Foundry Inspector
1 Goblin Welder
1 Junk Diver
1 Kuldotha Forgemaster
1 Magus of the Wheel
1 Metalworker
1 Myr Retriever
1 Sandstone Oracle
1 Scrap Trawler
1 Solemn Simulacrum
1 Treasonous Ogre
1 Treasure Keeper

Santiako
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(04-03-2017, 05:43 AM)
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Originally Posted by Familienoberhauptvogel

Funnily enough Seething Song + Reiterate is infinite red mana.

You'd need a way to make the spells cheaper. I use Mana Geyser or Inner Fire and Reiterate to make infinite red mana in my Wort deck
SigmasonicX
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(04-03-2017, 05:48 AM)
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Originally Posted by Ri'Orius

Is there a theme to the invocations? Nothing as obvious as "lands" or "artifacts," but surely they haven't already given up and moved to "cards," right?

Also, shouldn't OP have something about the brick mechanic:

If it appears on more than a couple of cards, sure. I'll even give that section a pyramid scheme based title.

Anyway, final predictions:
* Wither
* Red in particular gets a lot of cycling cards
* Gods will just be indestructible creatures with ETB and attack abilities
* There is a Desert land, but not Desert itself
Familienoberhauptvogel
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(04-03-2017, 05:48 AM)
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Originally Posted by Santiako

You'd need a way to make the spells cheaper. I use Mana Geyser or Inner Fire and Reiterate to make infinite red mana in my Wort deck

Yeah realized while I was hitting submit and edited it out, deck does include ways to make it cheaper but not many and mana geyser as well.

Grinding Station is probably the best artifact sac outlet available to me after KCI as I want to mill myself anyways.
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Infinite Stars
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(04-03-2017, 05:52 AM)
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Originally Posted by OnPoint

I'm really bad at evaluating Cycling. Are these lands good?

They're really, really good. Not as good as Fetches/Shocks, but Cycling being instant Speed+It being attached to lands is a boon.

They're basically Scry-Lands is how I'm looking at them: There's no conditional way to get them to enter Untapped, but the power of other abilities helps their playability.

There's a lot of times in Modern At least where you're Control, you and your opponent are locked in Topdeck Mode, and you need a way to close out the game. These effectively serve as a bridge from the "Make first 5-6 Land Drops so I can stabilize" to the "Time to resolve one of my 5 Win Conditions".

I don't think they replace the GOAT Control "ETB Tapped Land" of Colonnade, but UW Control I think will play these as a replacement for stuff like Temple of Enlightenment/Mystic Gate/Etc which have never really done that much when they're needed.

Originally Posted by OnPoint

I thought control was dead

Control's Not Dead, it's just dormant.
SigmasonicX
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(04-03-2017, 05:55 AM)
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Invocations were originally instants and sorceries, but it didn't work out, which he later clarified as not having enough that fit on Amonkhet and were desirable.

mirron91 asked: Is there going to be an article on why you picked the Invocations you did? It seems to be a common complaint that they "lack a theme" or the like.

They have a creative theme which isn’t as simple as “Lands” or “Artifacts”. We did start with “Instants & Sorceries” but it didn’t work out.


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