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JetBlackPanda
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(08-11-2017, 10:19 PM)
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Originally Posted by WadiumArcadium

Rey was left on Jakku long before the attack on Luke's academy.

well there you go.
Woorloog
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(08-11-2017, 10:19 PM)
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Originally Posted by Toa TAK

Man, how is that bad CG?

What does bad CG even mean these days?

I always felt Maz being CGI creation was clearly visible. Like, you got all those real (animatronics, puppets, costumed) aliens, and then you have this one alien that looks different somehow.
In wrong way.

I'd say this is not a failure of CGI itself but other factors. Like placing both physical and a CGI alien in same space.
BarringGaffner
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(08-11-2017, 10:30 PM)
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Originally Posted by WadiumArcadium

Less Maz than in TFA then.

proof Rian has good taste... Fixing the problems that JJ made.

I felt absolutely nothing for Maz.
Zulithe
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(08-11-2017, 10:37 PM)
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Originally Posted by WadiumArcadium

Rey was left on Jakku long before the attack on Luke's academy.

People should read this.

https://twitter.com/pablohidalgo/sta...94879647264768

It can really change their mind on where they stand on the issue.
Surfinn
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(08-11-2017, 10:37 PM)
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People are still saying Maz is bad CGI?
Zulithe
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(08-11-2017, 10:42 PM)
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Originally Posted by Surfinn

People are still saying Maz is bad CGI?

Imagine if they had done her as a Yoda-like puppet.

Given the scenes she's in and the limited movement she needs to do, would have been very possible.

Oh well. I just hope future SW films do make use of intricate puppet work for main characters. The new ones shown for TLJ all seem to be fairly minor roles... so far.

When you think back to characters like Jabba and Yoda... the puppets are what helped make them indelible icons. So much harder for a CGI character to have the same impact.

Digressing... I think her CGI is pretty good.
Surfinn
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(08-11-2017, 10:45 PM)
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As far as I remember, they were gunna do Maz as a puppet but ran out of time.

I can agree with people thinking she looks out of place because of the implementation, but that's far different from bad CGI, which she clearly is not.

But I do wish they did the puppet
Crossing Eden
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(08-11-2017, 10:45 PM)
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Originally Posted by DiipuSurotu

Shitty design, bad CG and pointless role.

(Love Lupita though.)

How is this design shitty?



And how is this even remotely shitty CGI:


And how is she pointless when she was literally the only person around to tell Rey directly about the force?
Tookay
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(08-11-2017, 10:51 PM)
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I dunno, I don't think that Maz is a particularly interesting design.

Or a particularly interesting character.

She's just a poorly-drawn exposition character.
DiipuSurotu
(08-11-2017, 10:51 PM)
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They were also gonna do Snoke as a puppet but it seems like he will be CG even in TLJ after all.
UnemployedVillain
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(08-11-2017, 10:52 PM)
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Originally Posted by Crossing Eden

How is this design shitty?



And how is this even remotely shitty CGI:


And how is she pointless when she was literally the only person around to tell Rey directly about the force?

I don't agree really about her being a shitty design or CG, but let's be honest, Rey didn't need to be told by the force. She seemed fairly adept at it just by experiencing it
DiipuSurotu
(08-11-2017, 10:54 PM)
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Leia or Obi-Wan or anyone could have told Rey about the Force. Maz's only point was to give the film its Yoda figure.
Crossing Eden
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(08-11-2017, 11:25 PM)
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Originally Posted by UnemployedVillain

I don't agree really about her being a shitty design or CG, but let's be honest, Rey didn't need to be told by the force. She seemed fairly adept at it just by experiencing it

Yes she is but she learned the nature of it through Maz specifically. And there's also the matter of Maz having Luke's lightsaber. She's absolutely crucial to TFA.

Originally Posted by DiipuSurotu

Leia or Obi-Wan or anyone could have told Rey about the Force. Maz's only point was to give the film its Yoda figure.

Lol how would Rey talk to Obi-wan? And why would she talk to Leia about the force when the crucial scenes of Leia involved Han Solo. And neither of them address the Luke lightsaber thing.
Tookay
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(08-11-2017, 11:31 PM)
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She's crucial in a flimsy way, possessing a lightsaber that we last saw spiraling down the abyss (whose appearance she handwaves away as a story for another time) and speaking about the Force without being a Force user (unless deleted scenes are canon).

She's more plot device than character. She barely has a relationship with Rey, yet she's acting like she knows her deeply after a conversation. She doesn't earn that moment, not in the least.
Crossing Eden
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(08-12-2017, 12:11 AM)
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Originally Posted by Tookay

She's crucial in a flimsy way, possessing a lightsaber that we last saw spiraling down the abyss (whose appearance she handwaves away as a story for another time) and speaking about the Force without being a Force user (unless deleted scenes are canon).

She's more plot device than character. She barely has a relationship with Rey, yet she's acting like she knows her deeply after a conversation. She doesn't earn that moment, not in the least.

She just might. We still don't know who Rey is. And there's that line about her always seeing the same eyes in people.
Lifejumper
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(08-12-2017, 12:13 AM)
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They prolly bonded because of their connection to the force? Remember Maz is force sensitive.
What did he mean by this?
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(08-12-2017, 12:16 AM)
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Maz not having a role in this makes me dislike TFA even more
JB1981
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(08-12-2017, 12:30 AM)
Maz is a bad character. Happy to see she will not have a bigger role in TLJ. There's a lot more interesting ground to cover

Edit: alright "bad" is a little harsh but I won't be sad to see less of her
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rekameohs
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(08-12-2017, 12:41 AM)
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Originally Posted by Lifejumper

Shes a nobody and will adopt the skywalker name after Luke dies. Voila.

Ja
DiipuSurotu
(08-12-2017, 12:52 AM)
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Originally Posted by Lifejumper

They prolly bonded because of their connection to the force? Remember Maz is force sensitive.

Actually Maz's Force sensitivity was so superfluous that they removed it from the final cut.
Not
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(08-12-2017, 02:19 AM)
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Is Maz Rey's mom?
WadiumArcadium
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(08-12-2017, 12:27 PM)
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Originally Posted by Not

Is Maz Rey's mom?

Yez.
Isurus
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(08-12-2017, 01:10 PM)
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Originally Posted by itwasTuesday

Now we're talking
edit:

What am I looking at here? Is this an official pic from somewhere?


Also, sidebar, as much as I'd like it to be, she isn't a Skywalker. I'll accept a tag saying "claims to love star wars but knows nothing about it" if she is. It just doesn't make sense at this point. The article even says that her history doesn't matter much. They are trying to soften the disappointment.
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(08-12-2017, 01:16 PM)
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Originally Posted by Isurus

The article even says that her history doesn't matter much. They are trying to soften the disappointment.

Where exactly does it say that?
Travo
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(08-12-2017, 02:56 PM)
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Originally Posted by itwasTuesday

Leia is the mom, that's why she hugged her first. Shes a love child from another relationship after Han left.

It's why Kylo kinda recognizes her.

*taps finger to head*

There was no father. She can't explain it.
Bobby Roberts
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(08-12-2017, 03:14 PM)
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Originally Posted by Yoshichan

Where exactly does it say that?

It's the whole point of the article

Originally Posted by Not

Is Maz Rey's mom?

There was no mother, Luke gave birth to her.
TheJollyCorner
(08-12-2017, 04:39 PM)
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"Every new character connects to a classic character" is the worst, most uncreative thing SW fans have done with this new trilogy.

"Rey is a Skywalker/Kenobi!"
"Finn is Lando's secret son!"
"Poe is somehow related to Cassian Andor!"
"Snoke is Palpatine!"

Some of ya'll turning a GALAXY into a very small place. :/
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(08-12-2017, 04:39 PM)
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Originally Posted by TheJollyCorner

"Every new character connects to a classic character" is the worst, most uncreative thing SW fans have done with this new trilogy.

"Rey is a Skywalker/Kenobi!"
"Finn is Lando's secret son!"
"Poe is somehow related to Cassian Andor!"
"Snoke is Palpatine!"

Some of ya'll turning a GALAXY into a very small place. :/

Legit
J_Viper
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(08-12-2017, 04:44 PM)
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Maz was an incredible waste of Lupita

What the fuck was JJ thinking
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(08-12-2017, 04:50 PM)

Originally Posted by J_Viper

Maz was an incredible waste of Lupita

What the fuck was JJ thinking

Yeah just not that interesting.
DavidDesu
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(08-12-2017, 04:50 PM)
I genuinely thought Rey probably was taken from Luke's Jedi Academy and placed on Jakku after Ben did what he did. I guess I was all too easily just joining the dots as they seemed to be presented. Strange to actually think that she was on Jakku well before then. Also helps with her and Kylo's ages seemeing too far apart if that were the case. But that's also guessing the Ben turned in his later teen years, which you get the impression of from how he looks in flashbacks (i.e. The same, and not smaller or anything).
WadiumArcadium
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(08-12-2017, 04:52 PM)
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Originally Posted by DavidDesu

I genuinely thought Rey probably was taken from Luke's Jedi Academy and placed on Jakku after Ben did what he did. I guess I was all too easily just joining the dots as they seemed to be presented. Strange to actually think that she was on Jakku well before then. Also helps with her and Kylo's ages seemeing too far apart if that were the case. But that's also guessing the Ben turned in his later teen years, which you get the impression of from how he looks in flashbacks (i.e. The same, and not smaller or anything).

Ben's 29 in TFA and going by Bloodline, he probably betrayed Luke when he was about 24/25.
Tookay
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(08-12-2017, 05:03 PM)
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Originally Posted by J_Viper

Maz was an incredible waste of Lupita

What the fuck was JJ thinking

"She's like Yoda but not! Isn't this delightful?"
itwasTuesday
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(08-12-2017, 08:05 PM)
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Originally Posted by Isurus

What am I looking at here? Is this an official pic from somewhere?


Also, sidebar, as much as I'd like it to be, she isn't a Skywalker. I'll accept a tag saying "claims to love star wars but knows nothing about it" if she is. It just doesn't make sense at this point. The article even says that her history doesn't matter much. They are trying to soften the disappointment.

It's an adobe one kenobi photoshop. A scene from The 5th Element where Leeloo Dallas Multi-pass gets 3d printed from the recovered arm of a Mondoshawan. Masterfully combined with that of a etsy fan art project that depicts Luke's amputated hand bones still grasping his rusty lightsaber after Lord Darth Vader went, chop.

Although I don't think a light saber would make a chop sound, hrmm. Maybe more of a BzzzZzzt.

anyway, I hope this clears everything up
Razgriz-Specter
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(08-12-2017, 11:11 PM)
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So did we already know that Snoke was legitimately tall?
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(08-12-2017, 11:14 PM)
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Originally Posted by Razgriz-Specter

So did we already know that Snoke was legitimately tall?

Yeah ever since set pics leaked since last year.
Razgriz-Specter
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(08-12-2017, 11:17 PM)
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Originally Posted by Killer Queen

Yeah ever since set pics leaked since last year.

Ok thanks, hadn't personally looked or followed leaks but saw the Snoke figure that was revealed today which also confirmed it.
UnemployedVillain
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(08-13-2017, 06:36 AM)
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Originally Posted by J_Viper

Maz was an incredible waste of Lupita

What the fuck was JJ thinking

Could have been worse. Could have been Phasma who literally did nothing of note and was an enormous waste of Gwendoline Christie
Not
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(08-13-2017, 06:51 AM)
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Originally Posted by TheJollyCorner

"Every new character connects to a classic character" is the worst, most uncreative thing SW fans have done with this new trilogy.

"Rey is a Skywalker/Kenobi!"
"Finn is Lando's secret son!"
"Poe is somehow related to Cassian Andor!"
"Snoke is Palpatine!"

Some of ya'll turning a GALAXY into a very small place. :/

My thoughts as well
Apt101
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(08-13-2017, 07:14 AM)
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Rewatching her fight with Kylo, I feel she is a Skywalker. First, it makes sense that the new emperor would want a Skywalker, knowing the family's power in the Force. Second, her innate abilities - the same kind Anakin displayed. Her story mirrors Luke's in many ways - even Solo being the one to come and essentially carry her away onto the formative leg of her adventure.

But it was the way she stalked Kylo when she knew she had him beat, looking down on him with hate and rage even as he was helpless. That was some Vader type shit, only the mask hid his face. And her hearing that voice in her head mirrored the scene where Vader taunts Luke about his sister and Luke flips - almost killing him.
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CD'S BAR
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(08-13-2017, 07:17 AM)
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Originally Posted by DiipuSurotu

They were also gonna do Snoke as a puppet but it seems like he will be CG even in TLJ after all.

wait, what? confirmed? please tell me that's just conjecture.
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watershed
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(08-13-2017, 07:33 AM)
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Originally Posted by CD'S BAR

wait, what? confirmed? please tell me that's just conjecture.

Snoke is fully CG. EW article confirmed it.
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(08-13-2017, 07:41 AM)
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Originally Posted by CD'S BAR

wait, what? confirmed? please tell me that's just conjecture.

It's confirmed that the puppet was just something to have on set for the actors, he will be fully CGI again.
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(08-13-2017, 07:45 AM)
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Originally Posted by watershed

Snoke is fully CG. EW article confirmed it.

god damnit.

well at least I won't be caught off guard now. but god damnit.
Apt101
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(08-13-2017, 07:50 AM)
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Maz was Rey's Yoda. Nothing wrong with that character.
Slaythe
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(08-13-2017, 07:55 AM)
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Originally Posted by Crossing Eden

How is this design shitty?



And how is this even remotely shitty CGI:


And how is she pointless when she was literally the only person around to tell Rey directly about the force?

LMFAO

I guess it's a matter of different taste ? I think her design is horrendous.

But the CGI is just shit, she stands out completely and looks very fake. The face anyway, body is fine.
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(08-13-2017, 08:06 AM)
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Originally Posted by UnemployedVillain

I don't agree really about her being a shitty design or CG, but let's be honest, Rey didn't need to be told by the force. She seemed fairly adept at it just by experiencing it

Well, OK. She told the audience about the force. This was a lot of people's first Star Wars film.
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(08-13-2017, 08:34 AM)
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Originally Posted by Slaythe

LMFAO

I guess it's a matter of different taste ? I think her design is horrendous.

But the CGI is just shit, she stands out completely and looks very fake. The face anyway, body is fine.

You must have impossibly standards for CGI as she was incredibly well done from a technical perspective.
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(08-13-2017, 09:07 AM)
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Originally Posted by Crossing Eden

You must have impossibly standards for CGI as she was incredibly well done from a technical perspective.

Technically speaking her eyeholes looked like a cross between an orange and an arse

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