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Dalek
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(07-12-2017, 06:17 PM)
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The "prelude" to DC's newest event has started. The main event will be called "Dark Nights: Metal" and the two prelude comics that are out now: Dark Days: The Forge and Dark Days: The Casting.

In press release, DC said Dark Nights: Metal will "examine every choice a hero doesnít take and every path they donít walk, and open up worlds that are forged by nightmares."

As to what the main storyline is about-most of it is mysterious now-but revolves around Batman's investigation into mysterious DC elements like the Nth Metal and Dionesium and it's ties to the overall Universe/Multiverse.

However in the preludes themselves-some really crazy stuff has happened, and that's why this spoiler thread is here-to discuss the "bat"shit crazy revelations that have occurred.

Discuss away!
Platy
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(07-12-2017, 06:19 PM)
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That cover is very metal |,,|
Dalek
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(07-12-2017, 06:20 PM)
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Here's a CBR article that detailed what happened in The Forge:


http://www.cbr.com/dc-comics-dark-nights-metal-crisis/

Dark Days: The Forge lived up to itís name by revealing, oh, about thirty different proverbial irons DC Comics has been keeping in the fire. With a cascade of new information and returning faces, the road map for the highly anticipated Scott Snyder and Greg Capullo helmed Dark Nights: Metal is starting to make itself more and more clear.

But more importantly, though Snyder is on record that Metal is not a capital-C Crisis, itís more obvious than ever that itís going to be on the same scale as those sorts of DC events.

Letís take a look at what we know, and what it all means.

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With the help of Scott Free (making a major return just in time for his Tom King and Mitch Gerads-helmed solo series, no doubt) Batman is able to recover an item heís, apparently, been keeping stored away deep within the vaults of Supermanís Fortress of Solitude.

The ďitemĒ is actually a giant golden tower that may or may not look familiar to long time DC readers as a ďcosmic tuning forkĒ straight off the pages of Crisis on Infinite Earths.



So yes, Batman kept the Anti-Monitor's tower from Crisis.

Donít worry, if you found yourself scratching your head at that reveal, youíre most certainly not alone. Itís been over a decade since weíve seen anything like it.

Hereís the Cliff Notes version of what it is, and where it comes from:

As part of the original Monitorís plan to ďreconcileĒ the multiverse that was being eaten away by anti-matter he placed these tuning forks across multiple Earths and sent heroes to go defend them from anti-matter shadow demons. The Monitorís theory here was that these tuning forks would allow him to align the vibrational patterns of these disparate Earths and save them from the encroaching nothingness that threatened them.

RELATED: DC Comicsí Dark Days: The Forge, Annotated Ė Part 2

Much later, during Infinite Crisis, one of these tuning forks would make a reappearance, this time combined with another Crisis on Infinite Earths holdover, the corpse of the Anti-Monitor. In this event, Alexander Luthor, Jr. (a hero from Earth-3) planned on using the power of the tuning fork and the Anti-Monitor to resurrect some of the Earths that had been erased out of the Multiverse back in the original Crisis.

You might be recognizing a reoccurring theme here. Every time one of these golden pylons ends up in play, the stakes are almost immediately elevated to cosmic status.

And with cosmic stakes on the table, a Crisis-level event canít be too far away.

Of course, weíre left with some questions about just how Batman got his hands on the tuning fork in the first place, or where it may have came from ó whether itís a relic from the Monitor or Alexander Luthor, or somehow, neither. But as Mr. Miracle advises, regardless of where the tuning for came from, itís absolutely dangerous, and probably better left alone.

Which, of course, means Batman is going to continue to experiment with it.

Kurdel
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(07-12-2017, 06:22 PM)
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This all sounds like my cup of tea! I didnít understand much from the first comic, I guess I have some homework to do to appreciate this event!
ShadowSwordmaster
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(07-12-2017, 06:24 PM)
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There is a lot of Morrison stuff in the two issues.
Dalek
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(07-12-2017, 06:28 PM)
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Originally Posted by Kurdel

This all sounds like my cup of tea! I didnít understand much from the first comic, I guess I have some homework to do to appreciate this event!

Yeah, especially with today's issue of The Casting, it seems that stuff from Final Crisis/Morrison's Batman run is coming back.
Poodlestrike
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(07-12-2017, 06:28 PM)
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There is SO MUCH in these two issues it's insane. Can't wait for the event proper.

Also I appreciate you not using the horns cover.
Sgt. Kabukiman
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(07-12-2017, 06:29 PM)
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Originally Posted by ShadowSwordmaster

There is a lot of Morrison stuff in the two issues.

But without the drug-induced glorious nonsense that fueled Final Crisis and Seven Soldiers. I don't know, I'm not really feeling this event so far. But I'll keep an open mind until the first issue of Dark Nights at least.
Kurdel
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(07-12-2017, 06:31 PM)
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Originally Posted by Dalek

Yeah, especially with today's issue of The Casting, it seems that stuff from Final Crisis/Morrison's Batman run is coming back.

Thanks! I got caught up on Marvel pver the last 2 years, tackling DC is a bit intimidating with all the Crisis and multiverse business. Iíll check out Final Crisis!
DeathyBoy
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(07-12-2017, 06:31 PM)
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Originally Posted by Sgt. Kabukiman

But without the drug-fueled glorious nonsense that fueled Final Crisis and Seven Soldiers. I don't know, I'm not really feeling this event so far. But I'll keep an open mind until the first issue of Dark Nights at least.

Morrison Batman was some goat shit. Dark and grim and colourful and goofy at the same time. RIP was a masterpiece.
Sgt. Kabukiman
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(07-12-2017, 06:36 PM)
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Originally Posted by DeathyBoy

Morrison Batman was some goat shit. Dark and grim and colourful and goofy at the same time. RIP was a masterpiece.

Yep, the Batman RIP / Superman Beyond / Final Crisis trilogy is one of my favorite things in superhero comics.
Grizzlyjin
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(07-12-2017, 06:45 PM)
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I was hyped before but I didn't like The Forge at all, so now I'm a bit apprehensive.
ShadowSwordmaster
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(07-12-2017, 06:46 PM)
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Originally Posted by Sgt. Kabukiman

Yep, the Batman RIP / Superman Beyond / Final Crisis trilogy is one of my favorite things in superhero comics.

Indeed.
Ross61
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(07-12-2017, 06:46 PM)
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I haven't been this hyped for an event forever. Both Forge and Casting were excellent.
The Broken Ska Record
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(07-12-2017, 06:59 PM)
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Between the tuning fork and the Comedian's button, Batman is holding all the cards, isn't he?
Keym
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(07-12-2017, 07:03 PM)
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Soooo.... still no Watchmen?
ShadowSwordmaster
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(07-12-2017, 07:04 PM)
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Originally Posted by The Broken Ska Record

Between the tuning fork and the Comedian's button, Batman is holding all the cards, isn't he?

He lost the Comedian's button in the Button crossover.
Ross61
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(07-12-2017, 07:04 PM)
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Originally Posted by Keym

Soooo.... still no Watchmen?

Different series buddy. Check back in The Doomsday Clock thread.
Dalek
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(07-12-2017, 07:07 PM)
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So to recap the big story points so far-I need your help:

1. Batman has the Multiverse Tower hidden under the Fortress of Solitude
2. Batman has "a" Joker locked away in a secret cell deep inside the Batcave. This Joker seems to know a lot about what's going on with this series/metal/multiverse stuff. Duke and Hal Jordan find him and he escapes after revealing some secrets.
3. Batman has a lunar base where he meets with Mister Terrific. He has sent out The Outsiders to explore the Multiverse. Additionally, on the base he presumably has Plastic Man in some kind of stasis.
4. The Gods have left earth to avoid some Dark event coming.
5. Duke is a meta. Batmen knew about this ahead of time. Metas can be created similar to Inhumans with terrigenesis. Duke's mother had some kind of involvement with meta's previously.
6. Deep below the earth we see the God enemy that Darkseid sent after Batman from Final Crisis and it appears with other versions of Batman.
7. There are hints of something called the Dark Multiverse.
8. Talia was in possesion of an ancient dagger with mystical metal that has a Shazam symbol on it.

All the Hawkman stuff I'm not clear on as I don't understand Hawk-lore.
Last edited by Dalek; 07-12-2017 at 07:10 PM.
ShadowSwordmaster
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(07-12-2017, 07:10 PM)
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Originally Posted by Dalek

So to recap the big story points so far-I need your help:

1. Batman has the Multiverse Tower hidden under the Fortress of Solitude
2. Batman has "a" Joker locked away in a secret cell deep inside the Batcave. This Joker seems to know a lot about what's going on with this series/metal/multiverse stuff.
3. Batman has a lunar base where he meets with Mister Terrific. He has sent out The Outsiders to explore the Multiverse. Additionally, on the base he presumably has Plastic Man in some kind of stasis.
4. The Gods have left earth to avoid some Dark event coming.
5. Duke is a meta. Batmen knew about this ahead of time. Metas can be created similar to Inhumans with terrigenesis. Duke's mother had some kind of involvement with meta's previously.
6. Deep below the earth we see the God enemy that Darkseid sent after Batman from Final Crisis and it appears with other versions of Batman.
7. There are hints of something called the Dark Multiverse.

Hawkman and Hawk got the planets immortals to tell them about their memories and what seems to be the Wizard from Shazam shown them something that freak them out. Them they sent the Challengers of the Unknown on a mission to find more information about the metal.
The Broken Ska Record
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(07-12-2017, 07:11 PM)
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Originally Posted by ShadowSwordmaster

He lost the Comedian's button in the Button crossover.

OH yeah. I forgot he lost it in the Speedforce.
Dalek
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(07-12-2017, 07:12 PM)
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Originally Posted by The Broken Ska Record

OH yeah. I forgot he lost it in the Speedforce.

Actually Reverse Flash took it-and met Manhattan. Manhattan took the button after "killing" RF.
Platy
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(07-12-2017, 07:13 PM)
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How the hell did batman put that galactus helmet under the fortress of solitude ?
The Broken Ska Record
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(07-12-2017, 07:14 PM)
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Originally Posted by Dalek

Actually Reverse Flash took it-and met Manhattan. Manhattan took the button after "killing" RF.

Fuck. You'd think I could remember what happened in a four-issue mini-series.
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(07-12-2017, 07:14 PM)
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Originally Posted by ShadowSwordmaster

There is a lot of Morrison stuff in the two issues.

Ooo like what?

Originally Posted by Sgt. Kabukiman

But without the drug-induced glorious nonsense that fueled Final Crisis and Seven Soldiers. I don't know, I'm not really feeling this event so far. But I'll keep an open mind until the first issue of Dark Nights at least.

Originally Posted by DeathyBoy

Morrison Batman was some goat shit. Dark and grim and colourful and goofy at the same time. RIP was a masterpiece.

You're good people.
Keym
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(07-12-2017, 07:17 PM)
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Originally Posted by Ross61

Different series buddy. Check back in The Doomsday Clock thread.

Isn't it all vaguely connected? I mean, I thought the 3 Jokers thing was because of Manhattan, for example...
Ross61
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(07-12-2017, 07:18 PM)
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Originally Posted by Keym

Isn't it all vaguely connected? I mean, I thought the 3 Jokers thing was because of Manhattan, for example...

No Watchmen or 3 Jokers reveal in this series. Doomsday Clock by Johns will answer all those questions.
shingi70
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(07-12-2017, 07:21 PM)
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So the cave painting drawings of the Bat and the end of the casting is related to Morrisons batman run.
JonnyDBrit
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(07-12-2017, 07:22 PM)
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Originally Posted by Dalek

So to recap the big story points so far-I need your help:

1. Batman has the Multiverse Tower hidden under the Fortress of Solitude
2. Batman has "a" Joker locked away in a secret cell deep inside the Batcave. This Joker seems to know a lot about what's going on with this series/metal/multiverse stuff. Duke and Hal Jordan find him and he escapes after revealing some secrets.
3. Batman has a lunar base where he meets with Mister Terrific. He has sent out The Outsiders to explore the Multiverse. Additionally, on the base he presumably has Plastic Man in some kind of stasis.
4. The Gods have left earth to avoid some Dark event coming.
5. Duke is a meta. Batmen knew about this ahead of time. Metas can be created similar to Inhumans with terrigenesis. Duke's mother had some kind of involvement with meta's previously.
6. Deep below the earth we see the God enemy that Darkseid sent after Batman from Final Crisis and it appears with other versions of Batman.
7. There are hints of something called the Dark Multiverse.
8. Talia was in possesion of an ancient dagger with mystical metal that has a Shazam symbol on it.

All the Hawkman stuff I'm not clear on as I don't understand Hawk-lore.

And this metal has been used in a lot of stuff of importance, in various numbered forms. Hope it's limited to 'well they found it useful' rather than 'source of all their powers' or some such.

Also, I realise that the Wizard/Shazam is back to his pre-New 52 look. That's... interesting to consider, given that (in part because of the continued lack of use for Billy and co) I don't believe there's been any indication that aspect of continuity has changed of late.
Keym
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(07-12-2017, 07:27 PM)
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Originally Posted by Ross61

No Watchmen or 3 Jokers reveal in this series. Doomsday Clock by Johns will answer all those questions.

Well I'm confused, but it sounds really interesting from what peole are saying here. I'll follow it.
ShadowSwordmaster
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(07-12-2017, 08:03 PM)
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Originally Posted by shingi70

So the cave painting drawings of the Bat and the end of the casting is related to Morrisons batman run.

Batman RIP and Return of Bruce Wayne to be more specific.
Goodstyle
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(07-12-2017, 10:52 PM)
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I love Snyder's ideas and story direction, but sometimes his dialogue can be clumsily exposition-y. Also, the 3 Jokers thing is stupid and will never not be stupid.
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(07-12-2017, 10:56 PM)
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nghhhhhhhh Shazam references.

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Tender Joe
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(07-12-2017, 10:57 PM)
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Hate to be that guy, but could someone ELI5 what's going on to a DC noob. Seems wild.
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(07-12-2017, 10:57 PM)
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Snyder interview with the DC blog.

Another with CBR.

So one of the big reveals in The Casting is all about the Wizard and the Marvel family — We definitely see a dagger in there with the insignia on it, too. Even though it’s in Black Adam’s colors, I’ve gotta ask: are we about to see Billy Batson’s Rebirth return?

Yeah, you might! Geoff has been incredibly generous with letting us work in the sandbox that he designed. You’re already seeing things like — that is straight-up the Wizard, there’s no doubt about it, you know? And that is straight-up a dagger that has to do with Black Adam and Captain Marvel. That’s definitely what those things are. Similarly, that’s Plastic Man in the egg. But! There’s something else inside of Plastic Man that you don’t even know yet!

I want [Metal] to be like that, where you’re like, “Shut up! This is an awesome, I love it!” And then I get to be like “Well… guess what else?”

I really want that palpable fun where you pick it up and you feel like “this is why I read comics as a kid.” I feel like this mood is why there’s such a harkening back to ’80s stuff right now. The ’80s weren’t so great, but you want to go back to the things that you loved at a dark time to really remember you enjoyed and that you can enjoy that stuff again.

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Dalek
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(07-12-2017, 11:02 PM)
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Originally Posted by LordOfLore

Snyder interview with the DC blog.

Another with CBR.

That's a great interview and really spells this out.

More than anything, I feel like The Casting gives us a sense of how big this story truly is. Is DARK NIGHTS: METAL Scott Snyder and Greg Capulloís CRISIS ON INFINITE EARTHS?

Well, itís pretty close. I would say that itís like if we were tasked with doing a Crisis, but one that didnít need to go back and explain or repair continuity, just because I think Geoff [Johns] has done such a good job with that, both with DC UNIVERSE: REBIRTH and with what he has coming with DOOMSDAY CLOCK. For us, itís a question of how do we do something new that feels like it has that level of drama and excitement?

Instead of going back to Earth-2 or Alexander Luthoróall the stuff that I love in previous Crisis eventsóthis was about creating a brand new territory. What if thereís an area of the Multiverse that remains completely unknown and unexplored? Our heroes open a door to it and it comes here to destroy everything. What about something weíve never seen before? What about a being as old as the Monitor and the Anti-Monitor that we didnít know about? What about a whole set of realities that are a vast roiling ocean of possibility that weíve never even laid eyes on, something that is all around us at all times, like dark matter and dark energy?

In other words, if we can do a Crisis-type story, but it doesnít depend on the pieces that weíve always used for those and instead creates new pieces, then it felt right.

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Originally Posted by Sgt. Kabukiman

Yep, the Batman RIP / Superman Beyond / Final Crisis trilogy is one of my favorite things in superhero comics.

That...is not a trilogy lol. Superman Beyond is part of Final Crisis
ShadowSwordmaster
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(07-12-2017, 11:12 PM)
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Scott Synder should write a Hawkman series.
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(07-12-2017, 11:13 PM)
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Originally Posted by ShadowSwordmaster

Scott Synder should write a Hawkman series.

There's a Hawkman: Found one-shot as part of the event so maybe...
MartyStu
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(07-12-2017, 11:18 PM)
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So Snyder is channeling Morrison?

Sign me up.

I have issues with both Snyder and Morrison, but Snyder cosplaying as Morrison could work for me.
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(07-12-2017, 11:32 PM)
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Originally Posted by Shauni

That...is not a trilogy lol. Superman Beyond is part of Final Crisis

All of reality is part of Final Crisis.
It's a trilogy in my mind. And Grant Morrison's sentient 3D glasses agree with me.
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Originally Posted by Sgt. Kabukiman

All of reality is part of Final Crisis.
It's a trilogy in my mind. And Grant Morrison's sentient 3D glasses agree with me.

You can't trust those glasses, they're high on every hallucinogen known to man.
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(07-12-2017, 11:58 PM)
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Originally Posted by LordOfLore

Snyder interview with the DC blog.

Another with CBR.

He definitely plays a role. I donít want to give it away, but as somebody whoís one of these very old characters, he has sort of a key part. The characters that have seen it all, from Vandal Savage to the Immortal Men, Resurrection Man, Uncle Sam, they have scope on this story, so I wanted to include them in different ways. There will be some surprising ones coming in as well. Iím really excited that this story can encompass those characters. I want them to have a strong role, and that includes the al Ghuls. They play a part

I wonder if these people were in the cloaks.
Sanjuro
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(07-12-2017, 11:59 PM)
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Sounds like it might be a decent read?
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(07-13-2017, 12:02 AM)
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As someone with 0 knowledge of modern Batman/DC comics, this thread is mind-boggling.
Afrodium
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(07-13-2017, 12:32 AM)
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This event is dope already.

The Bat cave people are from Morrison's run, right? At least I think the Batman cave drawing is.
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(07-13-2017, 12:37 AM)
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Originally Posted by Afrodium

This event is dope already.

The Bat cave people are from Morrison's run, right? At least I think the Batman cave drawing is.

Yes.
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(07-13-2017, 12:55 AM)
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Originally Posted by JonnyDBrit

And this metal has been used in a lot of stuff of importance, in various numbered forms. Hope it's limited to 'well they found it useful' rather than 'source of all their powers' or some such.

Also, I realise that the Wizard/Shazam is back to his pre-New 52 look. That's... interesting to consider, given that (in part because of the continued lack of use for Billy and co) I don't believe there's been any indication that aspect of continuity has changed of late.

This now has my interest.

"Similarly, thatís Plastic Man in the egg. But! Thereís something else inside of Plastic Man that you donít even know yet!" - if multiverse shenanigans and the captain Marvel mythos is involved, now I'm wondering if they're using Plastic Man to contain Mr Mind or something, considering how much he expanded in that 52 event and how that affected the multiverse then...
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Originally Posted by Dalek

Yeah, especially with today's issue of The Casting, it seems that stuff from Final Crisis/Morrison's Batman run is coming back.

In for Weapons Grade Crystal Meth.
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Originally Posted by Loona

This now has my interest.

"Similarly, thatís Plastic Man in the egg. But! Thereís something else inside of Plastic Man that you donít even know yet!" - if multiverse shenanigans and the captain Marvel mythos is involved, now I'm wondering if they're using Plastic Man to contain Mr Mind or something, considering how much he expanded in that 52 event and how that affected the multiverse then...

Simultaneously, Sivana finding Mr Mind in the Rock of Eternity was the 'stinger' of the Curse of Shazam comic, but that never went anywhere. So him being involved here so as to retcon that leading up to this (instead of a planned Shazam series that Johns just refused to write) wouldn't surprise me.

Though, I do wonder what else Plastic Man could be containing...

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