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DrForester
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(08-13-2017, 05:30 AM)
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Originally Posted by Dreams-Visions

I see a couple others have made statements. not sure if already posted:

Gardner is a Trump rubber stamp. His words mean absolutely nothing.
RinsFury
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(08-13-2017, 05:33 AM)
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A white supremacist President like Trump will only lead to these nazi movements growing larger and more powerful. They all know they are untouchable right now. These are dark times we are living in.
Figboy79
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(08-13-2017, 05:46 AM)
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None of the Republican's denouncing this disgusting attack on Americans means shit until they get this Nazi out of office.

I'll give them credit when they actually impeach Trump, and put into effect legislation that actually benefits the people of this country. Words are easy. Words are really fucking easy. Actions are what make the world go round.
Cheerilee
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(08-13-2017, 05:48 AM)
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Neo-Nazis commit an act of terror against American citizens on American soil.

The POTUS provides his tacit endorsement.

Republicans pretend to give a damn.

Repeat.
Subv3rsi0n
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(08-13-2017, 05:52 AM)

Originally Posted by Dead Prince

Sally Yates is a national treasure.
Frozenprince
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(08-13-2017, 05:53 AM)

Originally Posted by Cheerilee

Neo-Nazis commit an act of terror against American citizens on American soil.

The POTUS provides his tacit endorsement.

Republicans pretend to give a damn.

Repeat.

Shit damn near a year ago Pulse was the exact same shit.
Dude Abides
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(08-13-2017, 05:55 AM)
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Man, this would have been the easiest thing in the world for Trump to put out a good statement and get mainstream praise. Like, a mayor in a one stoplight town would be able to make a decent PR release about this. Instead he fucks it up.
mlclmtckr
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(08-13-2017, 05:58 AM)
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Originally Posted by Dude Abides

Man, this would have been the easiest thing in the world for Trump to put out a good statement and get mainstream praise. Like, a mayor in a one stoplight town would be able to make a decent PR release about this. Instead he fucks it up.

He didn't fuck anything up
Joeku
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(08-13-2017, 05:58 AM)
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Originally Posted by Dude Abides

Man, this would have been the easiest thing in the world for Trump to put out a good statement and get mainstream praise. Like, a mayor in a one stoplight town would be able to make a decent PR release about this. Instead he fucks it up.

Even the most minor of crises (ie. insofar as only one person died due to a terror attack) he fucks up. He's incapable of not fucking up. This was maybe the most self-evident thing the moment he declared his candidacy a couple years ago; he has no vocabulary and cannot speak for shit. His advisers certainly don't help.

Imagine a "big league" crisis under Trump. It'll be a fucking travesty.
sturgboski
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(08-13-2017, 06:03 AM)

Originally Posted by mlclmtckr

He didn't fuck anything up

True, that is the grey thing here:
To his horrible supporters, he did wonderfully by not denouncing him as all the alt-right and white supremacist sites have pointed out (I think there are screen grabs from the Daily Stormer and 4Chan in here...as well as the terrible folks who support him who visit this site and try to play the both sides bullshit).

To the rest of the nation:
He fucked this up by not denouncing these white nationalist/neo-nazis as the domestic terrorists that they truly are. And his administration has followed suit on using generic responses not painting that group of vile human beings as the horrible people they truly are.
R_thanatos
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(08-13-2017, 06:05 AM)
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Originally Posted by mlclmtckr

He didn't fuck anything up

Instead of being the president of all american he bailed out to not piss off the electoral base that support him.

As a president he fucked up big time
djplaeskool
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(08-13-2017, 06:06 AM)
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Not sure if this has already been posted but...

Glass Shark
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(08-13-2017, 06:07 AM)
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I mean honestly at this point why are we even surprised when he does something this shitty?
WedgeX
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(08-13-2017, 06:09 AM)
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Originally Posted by Glass Shark

I mean honestly at this point why are we even surprised when he does something this shitty?

Will continue to be surprised so long as he occupies the office of the President.
HP_Wuvcraft
(08-13-2017, 06:09 AM)
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Originally Posted by mlclmtckr

He didn't fuck anything up

Care to explain what you mean or are you just shitposting?
ChronotriggerJM
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(08-13-2017, 06:14 AM)
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Originally Posted by HP_Wuvcraft

Care to explain what you mean or are you just shitposting?

I believe he's saying that response was planned to be exactly that, not a mistake.
BrutishMrFish
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(08-13-2017, 06:15 AM)
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Originally Posted by Subv3rsi0n

Sally Yates is a national treasure.

I like her and all, but 2016 was a loud rejection of the idea that America as a whole is better than a whole lot of abhorrent bullshit, including what she lists in her tweet.

Well-meaning people need to stop foolishly betting on this country's better angels to do the right thing the way Hillary and Obama did and start admitting that the U.S. has some truly ugly problems that should have been addressed a long time ago. Acting like this country is above racism clearly isn't doing shit.
BlastProcessing
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(08-13-2017, 06:16 AM)
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Originally Posted by HP_Wuvcraft

Care to explain what you mean or are you just shitposting?

He means that Trump didn't mistakenly forget to condemn Nazi murderers. He intentionally chose to not condemn Nazi murderers.
-Plasma Reus-
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(08-13-2017, 06:16 AM)
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Originally Posted by Tarydax

If only these Republican politicians had actions to go along with their words.

Fucking cowards.

Cowards?
I know it's hard to swallow, They just don't care.
RumbleHumble
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(08-13-2017, 06:16 AM)
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Originally Posted by HP_Wuvcraft

Care to explain what you mean or are you just shitposting?

He means Trump knew exactly what he was saying.
WiiredShawn
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(08-13-2017, 06:19 AM)
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Originally Posted by HP_Wuvcraft

Care to explain what you mean or are you just shitposting?

I assume the poster means that it wasn't a "fuck up" in terms of Trump's intent. He's a racist who knows he's in bed with racists. His response wasn't a "oops, I said the wrong thing," it's a "I chose not to condemn Nazis because they're my most enthusiastic supporters and I am a desperate manchild."
mr jones
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(08-13-2017, 06:24 AM)
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Originally Posted by Gnome Scat

Just when I think Trump can't possible get any lower, he doesn't denounce white supremacists for an obvious domestic terror attack.

If this guy wins again in 2020 after all this I'm going to lose all faith in this country...

lol

December 15, 2012.

THAT was the day I lost faith in this country.

The day before something utterly horrific happened.

But on December 15th, something worse happened. Nothing.

That was when my faith died.
GoldenEye 007
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(08-13-2017, 06:26 AM)
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Originally Posted by BrutishMrFish

I like her and all, but 2016 was a loud rejection of the idea that America as a whole is better than a whole lot of abhorrent bullshit, including what she lists in her tweet.

Well-meaning people need to stop foolishly betting on this country's better angels to do the right thing the way Hillary and Obama did and start admitting that the U.S. has some truly ugly problems that should have been addressed a long time ago. Acting like this country is above racism clearly isn't doing shit.

Hillary literally called potential voters deplorable. She got shit on for it and was forced to apologize.
mlclmtckr
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(08-13-2017, 06:27 AM)
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Thank you everyone who understood and explained what I meant by that
HP_Wuvcraft
(08-13-2017, 06:29 AM)
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Originally Posted by mr jones

lol

December 15, 2012.

THAT was the day I lost faith in this country.

The day before something utterly horrific happened.

But on December 15th, something worse happened. Nothing.

That was when my faith died.

I've already lost faith.

On the night of the election, I lost faith that America was going to progress.

Today, I lost faith in America as a whole.
Bleepey
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(08-13-2017, 06:38 AM)
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Originally Posted by rjinaz

I remember back in the primaries people would think others were crazy for preferring Cruz over Trump.

I wonder if they still think that way.

I am not sure. At times I feel we are saved by Trump's incompetence.
Subv3rsi0n
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(08-13-2017, 06:41 AM)

Originally Posted by BrutishMrFish

I like her and all, but 2016 was a loud rejection of the idea that America as a whole is better than a whole lot of abhorrent bullshit, including what she lists in her tweet.

Well-meaning people need to stop foolishly betting on this country's better angels to do the right thing the way Hillary and Obama did and start admitting that the U.S. has some truly ugly problems that should have been addressed a long time ago. Acting like this country is above racism clearly isn't doing shit.

Fully agreed. I took her comment as "not [in the spirit of] who we are as a country." There is a definite racist element to our society that need to be dealt with, and admitting that there's a problem is the first step toward correcting it.
Cheerilee
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(08-13-2017, 06:44 AM)
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Originally Posted by GoldenEye 007

Hillary literally called potential voters deplorable. She got shit on for it and was forced to apologize.

Many mistakes were made in the election, but the fact is... this Trump stuff is real.

17 years ago, South Park had this exact same episode, but their episode didn't end with an act of terror, it ended with Matt and Trey optimistically proposing that maybe kids these days have grown up in a world where racism is over.

I wonder how many of those alt-righters taking selfies at this terrorist attack are 26 years old or younger?

There's something rotten in the core of America, and even if Trump is impeached and thrown in jail tomorrow for being Vladimir Putin's cockholster, somebody is going to have to do more to fix America than has ever been done.
Kuroi Gogeta
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(08-13-2017, 06:58 AM)
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Originally Posted by Cheerilee

Many mistakes were made in the election, but the fact is... this Trump stuff is real.

17 years ago, South Park had this exact same episode, but their episode didn't end with an act of terror, it ended with Matt and Trey optimistically proposing that maybe kids these days have grown up in a world where racism is over.

I wonder how many of those alt-righters taking selfies at this terrorist attack are 26 years old or younger?

There's something rotten in the core of America, and even if Trump is impeached and thrown in jail tomorrow for being Vladimir Putin's cockholster, somebody is going to have to do more to fix America than has ever been done.

Many posters have already said it, white supremacy is woven into the fabric of the United States. Slaves literally built the country. At the heart of that was the idea that Africans and other dark skinned people are not fully human. This idea never went away, because it was not challenged. At the end of the civil war, the southern generals and leaders should have been exiled or at best have had their wealth stripped from them to fund reparations. At the heart of all of this is a belief that non-whites are inferior and this belief was never fully addressed, the conversation was never had and here we are years later.
Bleepey
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(08-13-2017, 07:02 AM)
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Originally Posted by darkwing-buck



Uniform matches

We can call them white shirts, cos they are losers.
malfcn
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(08-13-2017, 07:04 AM)
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Condolences and best regards to civilians hurt and killed.

Deepest condolences to officers killed.

😟
NoRéN
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(08-13-2017, 07:05 AM)
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Originally Posted by DrForester

Gardner is a Trump rubber stamp. His words mean absolutely nothing.

Good job!

Let's just pay attention to the openly racist!

Dems stay winning!
BoboBrazil
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(08-13-2017, 07:27 AM)
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The only things Trump won't attack is Nazis and Putin.
BrutishMrFish
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(08-13-2017, 07:34 AM)
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Originally Posted by -Plasma Reus-

Cowards?
I know it's hard to swallow, They just don't care.

That's what makes them so cowardly. Before this, they would jump for any excuse they could to avoid calling people like Dylann Roof the t-word without fail. They're only now willing to call a white guy a terrorist in an attempt to save their own skins as the Trump administration loses support and people realize that Republicans can't govern for shit.

Plus I'm pretty sure that poster is not the kind to have any qualms with calling Republicans out on their racism.

Originally Posted by GoldenEye 007

Hillary literally called potential voters deplorable. She got shit on for it and was forced to apologize.

I was more alluding to how a good portion of her campaign strategy was based on the idea that people would reject Trump the way the people rejected Goldwater. I get why she did it, and I thought it would work at the time as much as anyone, but the election demonstrated that it's not viable anymore. I think that deplorables comment was meant to be a part of that strategy in that it was supposed to nudge "moderate" Republicans away from Trump (in a "You wouldn't want to support the nazis' favorite, would you?" sort of way) and also galvanize independents and Democrats into voting against the candidate who was being backed by nazis and klansmen.

Anyway, acting like America is somehow above the ugliest aspects of its history when many of those problems were never directly addressed does nothing but gives people an a chance to ignore them. It happened countless times before and it will continue to happen until we as a country (just white America, really) admits that the U.S. was not founded as a perfect union and makes steps to correct its course.

Like I said, I get that Yates meant well in that tweet, but a small edit like changing "is not" to "should not be" would keep the spirit of the original while being less inaccurate.
Last edited by BrutishMrFish; 08-13-2017 at 07:40 AM.
OriginalPoe
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(08-13-2017, 07:35 AM)
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Originally Posted by DrForester

Gardner is a Trump rubber stamp. His words mean absolutely nothing.

Wow I can't believe Gardner said that. It's like he knows 2020 is coming.
bigmit3737
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(08-13-2017, 08:05 AM)
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Originally Posted by Blablurn

Its also crazy to see this all from a global perspective. Once people and nations saw the US as a beacon of hope. The country that helped to Europe to beat the Nazis, the country with the American dream for local people as well as overseas people. And now, everytime you watch the news, there is disaster on display. Social, cultural and political.Of course, many Americans still fight for a better world out there, but its not them who make the headlines.

And China, despite lacking BIG TIME in terms of human rights, is looking better than ever. Maybe not in the eyes of Europeans or Americans, but the rest of the world surely appreciates China a little more now. And I guess European countries such as France and Europa come out pretty strong these days, fighting of terror attacks and other stuff.

As a Germany, there was a lot of anti-Bush sentiment, a lot of Anti-USA-politics sentiment as well, but now its like, man, we are like: there are no words for this mess anymore.

I for one, would like to see a strong America back again. With a strong message for democracy, freedom etc. One could say, well, we just need to wait 3,5 y. But considering what happened in the first six months, that could be very very rought 3,5y. With a global order that could change big time, if countries like China or Germany, fill up the vacuum.

I don't think anyone is looking upto China except for those few that always have .

China keep encroaching other countries land and is pissing them off . India is starting to bring a military presence in those areas where China is encroaching .

China also isn't doing anything to help out with the North Korea situation.

They are however getting more and more powerful .
danthefan
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(08-13-2017, 08:08 AM)

Originally Posted by Dreams-Visions

I see a couple others have made statements. not sure if already posted:



Good to see Republicans coming out with these comments.

I don't have anything to say on Trump that hasn't been said already but holy fuck I hate him so much. And I'm not even American. All of you here need to do everything you possibly can to make sure he doesn't get back in in 2020.
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(08-13-2017, 08:09 AM)
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Originally Posted by Dude Abides

Man, this would have been the easiest thing in the world for Trump to put out a good statement and get mainstream praise. Like, a mayor in a one stoplight town would be able to make a decent PR release about this. Instead he fucks it up.

He didn't fuck it up; he is a white nationalist Nazi scumbag himself.

This is what he wants.
norinrad
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(08-13-2017, 08:10 AM)
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Originally Posted by BoboBrazil

The only things Trump won't attack is Nazis and Putin.

Not happening as long as Steve is still there.
StopMakingSense
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(08-13-2017, 08:10 AM)
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Originally Posted by mlclmtckr

He didn't fuck anything up

Indeed. Racism and white supremacy is the only consistent ideology Trump has ever held in his life. There is a natural affinity between him and those in Charlottesville. You really can't separate the group from him.
Kevtones
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(08-13-2017, 08:11 AM)
Can the Senate introduce a bill that criminalizes all Nazi-afflation? Is it feasible?


Seriously, if McCain, Hatch, Cruz, Rubio and others want to stir the pot, they should do something explicit. Back themselves up.
danthefan
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(08-13-2017, 08:12 AM)

Originally Posted by Dude Abides

Man, this would have been the easiest thing in the world for Trump to put out a good statement and get mainstream praise. Like, a mayor in a one stoplight town would be able to make a decent PR release about this. Instead he fucks it up.

This is what I cannot fathom. Why is he coming out and speaking like this. Where the fuck is the benefit to him? I appreciate he basically seems to be a white supremacist but considering he lies about literally everything why pick this topic to show his true colours on?
Kevtones
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(08-13-2017, 08:14 AM)

Originally Posted by Muppet of a Man

He didn't fuck it up; he is a white nationalist Nazi scumbag himself.

This is what he wants.



100%


He also deliberately did the 'deepest condolences' vs. 'condolences' shit for a reason too. It's political. It's trolling. It's hate. It's wrong.
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(08-13-2017, 08:15 AM)
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Originally Posted by danthefan

This is what I cannot fathom. Why is he coming out and speaking like this. Where the fuck is the benefit to him? I appreciate he basically seems to be a white supremacist but considering he lies about literally everything why pick this topic to show his true colours on?

who are trump's biggest fans? the white supremacists / neo nazis / alt right.
valkyre
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(08-13-2017, 08:21 AM)
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Trump clearly has better things to do, like golf for example...

Looking the other way is his best way of handling matters so far, so...
Rupetta
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(08-13-2017, 08:24 AM)
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Originally Posted by Scrotum Phillips

Actions speak louder than words. They see these hollow statements/threats and never take action and thus are implicit in enabling this shitholery. Gotta put your money where your mouth is one of these days, and it's been years of what I see as faux-outrage from the Conservatives that have basically lost any meaning to me as they are still going to support his agenda.

Words are incredible important in normalizing praxis. It was after all words that got Trump elected, not action. It is words that are sedimenting the discourse of "both sides" and that discourse needs to be fought with words. We have a fuckin NYT journo spewing the line that:
"
The hard left seemed as hate-filled as alt-right."

These are incredible dangerous words and they sediment an idea that the nazis would love.
MC_Hify
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(08-13-2017, 08:30 AM)
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All this has gotten me to think about my youth in the punk and ska scene in SoCal. What are skinheads up to these days? Meaning trad skins and SHARPS. Looks like the boneheads are dressing up like Trump playing golf with swastikas instead of aligators on their polo shirts. Or maybe they are still out there and are just not getting media attention.

When I was going to punk and ska shows boneheads were nowhere to be seen, but then again I wasn't going to racist bands shows.

My friend Paul became a Trad Skin, he showed me Pulp Fiction before he did so. We rolled with a diverse group, trad skins, ocassionally a SHARP, and whatever you called rudies in the late to mid-90s. So when we'd go see the Specials or the Skatalites or something and people would ask who I belonged to our joke was, "He's MC_Hify no more no less."
StrategyFan
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(08-13-2017, 08:31 AM)
trump is too much of a chicken to condemn his supporters

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(08-13-2017, 08:32 AM)
Call it by its name Mr. President! Radical Islami... wait I'm confused, what happened to the timeline?
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Originally Posted by MC_Hify

All this has gotten me to think about my youth in the punk and ska scene in SoCal. What are skinheads up to these days? Meaning trad skins and SHARPS. Looks like the boneheads are dressing up like Trump playing golf with swastikas instead of aligators on their polo shirts. Or maybe they are still out there and are just not getting media attention.

When I was going to punk and ska shows boneheads were nowhere to be seen, but then again I wasn't going to racist bands shows.

My friend Paul became a Trad Skin, he showed me Pulp Fiction before he did so. We rolled with a diverse group, trad skins, ocassionally a SHARP, and whatever you called rudies in the late to mid-90s. So when we'd go see the Specials or the Skatalites or something and people would ask who I belonged to our joke was, "He's MC_Hify no more no less."


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