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antibolo
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(08-28-2014, 06:41 PM)
Will the English version still have the Japanese voices?

The Japanese site includes the voice actor for every character on top of their description (as is standard in Japanese games/anime/etc.) but the English says nothing about it.
kuroneko0509
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(08-28-2014, 06:47 PM)
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Originally Posted by antibolo

Will the English version still have the Japanese voices?

The Japanese site includes the voice actor for every character on top of their description (as is standard in Japanese games/anime/etc.) but the English says nothing about it.

Most of it are removed. Only left are battle voices and the last line in the ending
antibolo
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(08-28-2014, 06:51 PM)

Originally Posted by kuroneko0509

Most of it are removed. Only left are battle voices and the last line in the ending

WHAT?? We're in 2014 and they're still pulling that kind of shit?!

EDIT: Found this http://www.siliconera.com/2014/07/24...-america-soon/

tl;dr The localization team at Inti Creates are a bunch of fucking morons. Hell they even wanted to remove his braid at some point.
maxcriden
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(08-28-2014, 06:55 PM)
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I think all of the parts of the song are in, too.
GeekyDad
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(08-28-2014, 07:00 PM)
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So, is it live? I got about another half hour before I can log on. Any early impressions?
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(08-28-2014, 07:06 PM)
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Originally Posted by maxcriden

I think all of the parts of the song are in, too.

yep the songs are still there

Originally Posted by antibolo

WHAT?? We're in 2014 and they're still pulling that kind of shit?!

EDIT: Found this http://www.siliconera.com/2014/07/24...-america-soon/

tl;dr The localization team at Inti Creates are a bunch of fucking morons. Hell they even wanted to remove his braid at some point.

the post below sums up what I felt about the removal.

Originally Posted by GeekyDad

As hard as paying the voice actors royalties is my guess. They can say whatever they want to give a reason "why," but ultimately I suspect they weighed anticipated sales versus the cost to pay the actors royalties per sale (Japanese or English, doesn't matter), and decided to just gut that part out of the game.

antibolo
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(08-28-2014, 07:37 PM)
If they really did cut out the voices for royalty reasons then they should just go ahead and fucking say it.

The weak excuses they gave in that Siliconera interview are moronic. It's like they're claiming that keeping Japanese voices in a localized game has never happened in any video game ever.

It just feels like they're a localization team that was taken from the year 1994. The fact that they feel the need to do stupid shit like removing the hero's bare midriff doesn't help either. They should just make him a bald space marine while we're at it.
Vooduu
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(08-28-2014, 07:43 PM)
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Very interested in this title.
jack_package_200
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(08-28-2014, 08:00 PM)
So hyped
TheFLYINGManga_Ka
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(08-28-2014, 08:19 PM)
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Good reviews. That's good.

What?! Friday release? What?!

:(
AcademicSaucer
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(08-28-2014, 11:25 PM)
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is the voice calling his special attacks still in ? im at work, so i havent buy the game yet
maxcriden
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(08-28-2014, 11:26 PM)
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Originally Posted by AcademicSaucer

is the voice calling his special attacks still in ? im at work, so i havent buy the game yet

Just FYI, it's not out till tomorrow.
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(08-29-2014, 12:09 AM)
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Originally Posted by AcademicSaucer

is the voice calling his special attacks still in ?

Yeah, still in. (17:57)
maxcriden
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(08-29-2014, 02:43 AM)
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Found a couple more reviews:

Gunvolt is proof that an entire genre of 2D action games can still work, and I hope that the trend doesn’t stop with Mighty No. 9.

Venture Beat - 8/10

Azure Striker Gunvolt is a challenging, sometimes brutal adventure that takes cues from the Mega Man Zero series while giving combat a wild new spin. It won't spark everybody's pleasure center, but those who continue to plug away will be properly rewarded. The addition of Mighty Gunvolt only adds to its value.

Gameranx - 7.5/10

BTW, the above review had an interesting tidbit, is this new info?

You visit the same locales and battle many of the same foes from the Gunvolt, albeit in reduced NES-style roles. The exception is a high school level pulled right out of Gal*Gun -- there are also plans for additional DLC levels [for Mighty Gunvolt], possibly related to Mighty No. 9.

Zonic
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(08-29-2014, 02:48 AM)
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Sort of. Inafune mentioned a few days ago that DLC was indeed in development, but he wanted to see stages that only Beck could clear. From Siliconera:

The two developers then briefly discuss upcoming downloadable content for Mighty Gunvolt, which is currently being worked on by Inti Creates.

“Well, the DLC content is still under development, so there’s not much I can say yet,” Aizu says. That said, Aizu does specify that additional stages are being worked on. Inafune adds that he would like to see DLC stages that can only be cleared with Beck, the protagonist of Mighty No. 9, to which Aizu replies that he does think that would be fun.

“You’re getting a first taste of Beck,” Inafune says. “I think fans would really want that.”

Both developers also say it’s likely that Azure Striker Gunvolt will see a sequel at some point in the future, although they encourage fans to write in with their thoughts on the matter regardless.

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(08-29-2014, 02:52 AM)
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Will this be on the eshop at midnight?
zroid
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(08-29-2014, 02:54 AM)

Originally Posted by bestpersonevar

Will this be on the eshop at midnight?

probably not
maxcriden
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(08-29-2014, 03:03 AM)
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Originally Posted by Zonic

Sort of. Inafune mentioned a few days ago that DLC was indeed in development, but he wanted to see stages that only Beck could clear. From Siliconera:

Very cool. Thank you!
Maintenance
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(08-29-2014, 03:08 AM)
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How long is the game? Also, something that I heard about it being similar to Time Attack events made me doubt my purchase, if you look at some of my early posts about this game it was a day one purchase to me. Now, I'll wait a while to see more opinions.
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(08-29-2014, 03:22 AM)
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Originally Posted by RyosukeTH

How long is the game? Also, something that I heard about it being similar to Time Attack events made me doubt my purchase, if you look at some of my early posts about this game it was a day one purchase to me. Now, I'll wait a while to see more opinions.

I played at a fairly leisurely pace and completed the game at 6 hours and 25 minutes. Although about 40 minutes of that was tracking down the gems I missed.

There's more replay to be had from trying to speed through and do that score attack stuff, although it isn't an official mode and is entirely self-imposed.
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(08-29-2014, 03:26 AM)
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Haha, great thread title.

I'm looking forward to picking this up tomorrow, but I think their little 8-Bit thing is exciting me more at the moment (oops).
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(08-29-2014, 03:32 AM)
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Originally Posted by Magnet_Man

I played at a fairly leisurely pace and completed the game at 6 hours and 25 minutes. Although about 40 minutes of that was tracking down the gems I missed.

There's more replay to be had from trying to speed through and do that score attack stuff, although it isn't an official mode and is entirely self-imposed.

Ok, thanks for the info, I appreciate it.
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(08-29-2014, 03:35 AM)
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Originally Posted by antibolo

If they really did cut out the voices for royalty reasons then they should just go ahead and fucking say it.

The weak excuses they gave in that Siliconera interview are moronic. It's like they're claiming that keeping Japanese voices in a localized game has never happened in any video game ever.

It just feels like they're a localization team that was taken from the year 1994. The fact that they feel the need to do stupid shit like removing the hero's bare midriff doesn't help either. They should just make him a bald space marine while we're at it.

They didn't cut the voices for royalty reasons. The localization team working on the game is 8-4. The same people who are well loved on this very forum for great stuff like Fire Emblem Awakening, Nier, etc.

It's not a weak excuse just because you don't like it. I'm sure there is an audience of people with low standards who think it's really cool to listen to Japanese voices they don't understand while reading English text pretending that's what the voices are saying, regardless of how accurate that is. English scripts should be written to flow naturally and read (or sound) as good as they can. This means often they won't line up with the Japanese script 1:1. Once that happens, it makes little sense to retain Japanese voices without a Japanese text option as well. It would just be sloppy, like watching something with dubtitles on where it's clearly... not right.

I'm sure there's an argument somewhere that an ideal product would be one with English/Japanese text toggle, voice toggle, a full dub, and even an English subtitle script for the Japanese voice track with more literal translations. No one will disagree with that ideal. But the resources required for that are not realistic for many publishers, much less a small indie studio trying hard to to release a game worldwide so people can play it.

Do I think cutting content is ever good? Nope. In this case do I care that much? Not really.
Articalys
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(08-29-2014, 03:51 AM)

Originally Posted by duckroll

It's not a weak excuse just because you don't like it. I'm sure there is an audience of people with low standards who think it's really cool to listen to Japanese voices they don't understand while reading English text pretending that's what the voices are saying, regardless of how accurate that is. English scripts should be written to flow naturally and read (or sound) as good as they can. This means often they won't line up with the Japanese script 1:1. Once that happens, it makes little sense to retain Japanese voices without a Japanese text option as well. It would just be sloppy, like watching something with dubtitles on where it's clearly... not right.

Isn't this kind of an argument against including the Japanese audio with any dialogue-heavy game unless there's also an English dub, once the translations start to take liberties with the original meaning? Or are you saying it only should apply for non big-budget, small-scale cases like this where the dialogue is all just talking heads and such.
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(08-29-2014, 03:54 AM)
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Originally Posted by duckroll

They didn't cut the voices for royalty reasons. ...It's not a weak excuse just because you don't like it. ....

Personally, I love the excuse. I just don't believe it.
duckroll
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(08-29-2014, 03:55 AM)
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Originally Posted by Articalys

Isn't this kind of an argument against including the Japanese audio with any dialogue-heavy game unless there's also an English dub, once the translations start to take liberties with the original meaning? Or are you saying it only should apply for non big-budget, small-scale cases like this where the dialogue is all just talking heads and such.

Of course it is. Why should anyone want voices which say one thing and text which says another? It's extremely unprofessional and stupid. But hey, if a small minority of fans want to pretend they know better, they can continue doing so. :)

Originally Posted by GeekyDad

Personally, I love the excuse. I just don't believe it.

What's there not to believe? All the voice actors who worked on the Japanese version are still in the English version. There is combat voice, voices for special attacks, etc. Same cast. Just no story voices. If they're somehow owed royalties for their work, they would still be getting them. All the Japanese songs are also retained in the English version. That's where the most royalties would be if there are any, since that's actual musical performance. If they're cutting stuff for royalty reasons that's the first to be removed.
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(08-29-2014, 03:56 AM)
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Originally Posted by maxcriden

BTW, IGN's review is up, too:

http://www.ign.com/articles/2014/08/...gunvolt-review

They gave it a 7.8.

That review misses the point of the game in several places, but hey, it's still quite positive, so I'll take it.

Mainly, he complains about how special skills don't interact with the environment in any significant way, but I think he's just expecting something that the game never meant to deliver here.
These skills are not like the weapons you get from bosses in the older MM games (you do actually gain a few weapons from bosses in this game, and they offer interesting strategic options, even if they don't impact the environment), they're just supposed to be useful skills you can activate when cornered.

With only three skill points to use at a time, and with those points regenerating slowly, some of the more powerful skills wipe out your meter completely; that’s a real head-scratcher of a design decision that made me gun shy about trying them at all.

No, actually that is a GOOD design decision, because you can't allow the player to constantly spam super powerful skills, can you? There's a reason the skill meter takes a long time to build up: because the skills are super useful..

And on equipment:

Necessary components are so exceedingly rare that during the five or so hours it took me to beat the campaign, I never once had anything to equip on either eye.

Necessary components are plentiful, provided you A: play well enough to get high grades, and B: show an active interest in the Quest system by replaying stages.
I had a shitload of equipment near the end, with a lot of really useful effects.

Don't expect the game to give you everything for doing nothing. Put some effort into it, and you will be rewarded. THAT is good game design.
Articalys
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(08-29-2014, 04:02 AM)

Originally Posted by duckroll

Of course it is. Why should anyone want voices which say one thing and text which says another? It's extremely unprofessional and stupid. But hey, if a small minority of fans want to pretend they know better, they can continue doing so. :)

So are you saying, for example. that Yakuza 3 and 4 should have been dubbed or had their entire voice track cut for the U.S. release, instead of being released sub-only like they were? Or is that a series where any localizations in the translation weren't extreme enough to cross over the line you've set.

I suppose part of the problem at least in Gunvolt's case is that, as far as I know, nobody's done a comparison between some of the English text and their Japanese counterparts from the game, so we've no idea exactly what they had to change in localization. It would probably help the general understanding for the situation.
I mean, whatever this was referring to.

“In the Japanese version of Gunvolt, most conversations are modelled on Japanese subculture, so we had to modify the content of these conversations while localizing the game into English."

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(08-29-2014, 04:05 AM)
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Originally Posted by duckroll

Of course it is. Why should anyone want voices which say one thing and text which says another? It's extremely unprofessional and stupid. But hey, if a small minority of fans want to pretend they know better, they can continue doing so. :)

.

Subtitled movies still exist alongside dubed , so people like that kind of thing.
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(08-29-2014, 04:08 AM)
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Originally Posted by AcademicSaucer

Subtitled movies still exist alongside dubed , so people like that kind of thing.

You clearly fail to understand what I'm saying at all. Try reading again, more carefully this time, and actually comprehend the points being made before wasting time replying again. :P
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(08-29-2014, 04:18 AM)
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So do we have an idea what time this will be on NA eshop?
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(08-29-2014, 04:21 AM)
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Originally Posted by nynt9

So do we have an idea what time this will be on NA eshop?

From what I've heard, it's gonna be Midnight EDT/9PM PDT, but I can't confirm this.
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(08-29-2014, 04:23 AM)
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Originally Posted by SparksterMeta0

From what I've heard, it's gonna be Midnight EDT/9PM PDT, but I can't confirm this.

Than tonight's the night!
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(08-29-2014, 04:23 AM)
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Man, if Danganronpa 2 wasn't hitting next week, I'd snag this.
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(08-29-2014, 04:24 AM)
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Wait, Keiji Inafune contributed to this? I was interested but guess I'll have to ignore it or buy it for very very cheap. Too bad.
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(08-29-2014, 04:26 AM)
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Originally Posted by Articalys

So are you saying, for example. that Yakuza 3 and 4 should have been dubbed or had their entire voice track cut for the U.S. release, instead of being released sub-only like they were? Or is that a series where any localizations in the translation weren't extreme enough to cross over the line you've set.

Beats me. I have no idea what those translations were like. They could have gone for a much more literal approach given the real world setting. I've played Valkyria Chronicles though, and with English text + Japanese voice it's unplayable. Almost every single line is different enough that it's feels like complete rubbish. Had to switch to the dub.

I don't think it's unreasonable to say that if the voice and the text isn't saying the same thing at all, that something is wrong there. :P
antibolo
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(08-29-2014, 04:31 AM)

Originally Posted by duckroll

You clearly fail to understand what I'm saying at all. Try reading again, more carefully this time, and actually comprehend the points being made before wasting time replying again. :P

No, AcademicSaucer's point is perfectly valid. You are basically implying that the entire concept of subtitles for content in a foreign language is inherently wrong, because the translation can never be 1:1 with the spoken dialogue. This is an absolute fact of translating human languages.
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(08-29-2014, 04:32 AM)
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Between grabbing Ace Attorney on sale and getting this tomorrow its going to be a 3DS weekend for sure
antibolo
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(08-29-2014, 04:35 AM)

Originally Posted by duckroll

Beats me. I have no idea what those translations were like. They could have gone for a much more literal approach given the real world setting. I've played Valkyria Chronicles though, and with English text + Japanese voice it's unplayable. Almost every single line is different enough that it's feels like complete rubbish. Had to switch to the dub.

The problem here is that the "subtitles" are those of the dub, not the original text itself.

In a game with no English dub to begin with (like Gunvolt), this should be a non-issue.
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(08-29-2014, 04:37 AM)
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Originally Posted by antibolo

No, AcademicSaucer's point is perfectly valid. You are basically implying that the entire concept of subtitles for content in a foreign language is inherently wrong, because the translation can never be 1:1 with the spoken dialogue. This is an absolute fact of translating human languages.

Nope, you also fail at comprehension. I'm not implying anything. I'm just saying that when the script is no longer what the Japanese voice is saying at all, it makes no sense to keep the voices. The comparison to subtitles in movies is a fallacy because they're produced independently of dub scripts. For games there is always only one script, generally for technical reasons, but even if the technical constrains weren't there, it would not be worth the cost to do two scripts. This is not a hard concept to understand.

Games != movies. Ask anyone working on localization in gaming.

Originally Posted by antibolo

The problem here is that the "subtitles" are those of the dub, not the original text itself.

In a game with no English dub to begin with (like Gunvolt), this should be a non-issue.

Gunvolt was written to be dubbed, they just couldn't afford to make one. There are tons of name and term changes to make it read and sound better in English.
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(08-29-2014, 04:40 AM)
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Originally Posted by SparksterMeta0

From what I've heard, it's gonna be Midnight EDT/9PM PDT, but I can't confirm this.

So it will be out in 1 hour and 20 minutes?.
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(08-29-2014, 04:42 AM)
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Cool I thought I missed the launch day for bonus stuff.
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(08-29-2014, 04:44 AM)
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Whoo! I got an early copy of Mighty Gunvolt thanks to Rockman Corner.
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(08-29-2014, 04:46 AM)
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Originally Posted by Teknoman

Cool I thought I missed the launch day for bonus stuff.

What bonus stuff?
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(08-29-2014, 04:48 AM)
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Originally Posted by SparksterMeta0

From what I've heard, it's gonna be Midnight EDT/9PM PDT, but I can't confirm this.

Lets hope it's so!
Sub Boss
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(08-29-2014, 04:51 AM)
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Very dissapointed to hear about the low enemy variety,also whats up with the difficulty? i read some impression saying the game is easy,but the venture reviewer says its very challenging
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Originally Posted by Sub Boss

Very dissapointed to hear about the low enemy variety,also whats up with the difficulty? i read some impression saying the game is easy,but the venture reviewer says its very challenging

I tend not to trust reviewers to gauge if something is "challenging" or not
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(08-29-2014, 04:52 AM)
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For those that played the Japanese release is there any way to activate skills other than the touch screen?
@MUWANdo
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(08-29-2014, 04:55 AM)

Originally Posted by Sub Boss

Very dissapointed to hear about the low enemy variety,also whats up with the difficulty? i read some impression saying the game is easy,but the venture reviewer says its very challenging

The base level of difficulty is a lot lower than previous Inti games; playing for score is where most of the challenge lies.
bigkrev
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(08-29-2014, 04:57 AM)
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Why is this game not coming out till Friday? I charged my 3DS to buy it this afternoon, and there is now a decent chance I don't actually buy the game now (I have a busy weekend, and Danganronpa and Velocity Ultra are out on Tuesday)

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