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Forza Motorsport 2 Screenshots... yes, they're REAL
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Kabuki Waq
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Amir0x said:
I am just judging the screens if the game looks amazing in motion well all this means nothing.
As far as gameplay goes GT games got crushed by forza in every possible way IMO. so that doesnt matter right now
SolidSnakex
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Amir0x said:no of course the game won't reach the CG
but come on guys that should no longer be anyone's base for next-gen titles
If you show CG to promote your game that's what it's going to be judged by. I'm more surprised htat devs are still doing it though.
Kabuki Waq said:As far as gameplay goes GT games got crushed by forza in every possible way IMO. so that doesnt matter right now
Well that's fine. While I disagree as strongly as possible, I still think Forza is a great game and start to a franchise... and in the end, that's all that matters.
Solidsnakex said:
Obviously, but they showed CG, and said it was CG... and i did not therefore think 'yay now the game will look close to the CG!' I mean, I could have thought that based on some principle... but what would have happened is shattered unrealistic expectations.
Kabuki Waq
Member
SolidSnakex said:
exactly especially when you call them "target videos" in this case it was like targeting the moon with a bb gun.
SolidSnakex
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Amir0x said:
You can't show that at all, especially when you're claiming in game assets which make it seem even more like a target render. It's going to be compared to what you end up with from then on. So unless you're prepared for that its probably best not to show anything at all or just a step by step process (kinda like that other racer ).
Kabuki Waq
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clearly when dev's show you target videos they expect you to think the game will look like the target videos. they dont want you to look at the CG and say "cool thats exactly how the game will NOT look like."
Kabuki Waq
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Amir0x said:
then why call them "target videos" . I dont think they use CG to present the the forza story here. You and I know that no game will actually look exactly like the CG but some games will actually come close and other will look nothing like it. What do you think the average consumer will think when they see forza Target CG in the forza commercial?
simply put Devs want you to think the CG will represent reasonably well what the actual game will look like or else they would not show it.
buckfutter said:
Barely looks better? I wouldn't say that... depends what you look for I guess... I like to look for details...
Also, I can imagine with these details, these cars will look much more impressive in motion, whether in standard racing or in replays...
Oh, and how could I forget to mention the real-time damage up above to keep in account with Forza 2? Ugh...
Like I said with the taillights, it's just a photo - when you look at GT's taillights from the side, it kind of ruins the illusion as it flat and not see-through, unlike actual 3D modeled taillights... if you're not looking for detail, I guess that's why it's okay for you...
SolidSnakex
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Amir0x said:
Fact is with the current gen of graphics when you're showing stuff like that (and considering how common its become to do that) its pretty clear what the devs are trying to say with those videos. That's why unless you want those comparisons don't do them. Well unless you're sure you can reach them.
Kabuki Waq
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SolidSnakex said:
I agree yea glad to see you realize this now......cant wait for your comments when Killzone and tekken 6 are revealed,
SolidSnakex
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Kabuki Waq said:
Tekken looked like shit at E3 so it can only get better from then on.
Wollan said:
Pretty much as its not even up with PGR3 yet.
My Arms Your Hearse
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I can only imagine what this thread would be like if this were a PS3 title.
Gek54 said:
These pics got confirmed? Forza:HD a reality...
It's just the incredibly stupid portrail of cars in this game... Like I said, it's half-GT/half-Auto Modelista quasi-cell-shaded stuff... Personally, I think it's horrible, like it or not... and like it or not, GT:HD will indefinetly put up a fight for ppl to say which one looks better...
I hope to Lord that the physics at least got revamped... Seriously... If that's where I'm going to see the biggest jump, then I'll be a happy driver... 60fps is nice though, they got that right...
GT:HD doesn't look like a bad purchase to me now...
Hopefully we'll see Forza 3 when GT5 would release... otherwise, it won't be pretty...
Lets be honest these types of threads are usually the domain of the single console fanboy who is eager to make his/her inconsequential point. Fact is the vast majority of people posting in threads such as these, A do not own the console the game is targetted for, and B have in intention of buying the said console and more importantly the game in question. Which makes one wonder why the hell they post in such treads? Or does it?
tHa_vIlLaMaN
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BenjaminBirdie
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Kabuki Waq said:I am just judging the screens if the game looks amazing in motion well all this means nothing.
As far as gameplay goes GT games got crushed by forza in every possible way IMO. so that doesnt matter right now
Thread Title Change!
(The best part of the post was the way that 98% of the games qualities as illustrated in the second paragraph are written off. Really classic. It's almost sad to see so much dust kicked up over screenshots of a game that does not have all of its graphical zim zams in place. Did I say "sad"? I meant incredibly amusing and quite an educational experience.)
SolidSnakex
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BenjaminBirdie said:
People can only judge what they can see, not what the developers want or think they can get. It's the same for any other game.
BenjaminBirdie
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SolidSnakex said:
But why would anyone make judgements on something (a racing sim) based on a half finished example of 4% of its relative qualities?
The reactions are not "these screenshots looks terrible" they are "ForzaHD confirmed". See how one refers only to the evidence in question and the other dismisses the entire endeavor? And see how one of those is a sensible if subjective conclusion, while the other has no basis in any kind of rational thinking?
shpankey
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as i said a long time ago in this thread, none of us are saying this is our final judgement. we are not time travelers, we can only respond to what we see now. when and if that changes, we'll all make new judgements.BenjaminBirdie said:
i simply don't understand why some of you are getting upset that we are critiquing them now.
SolidSnakex
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m0dus said:
Given that MGS4 has widely been considered one of the standouts as far as next gen visuals from the first day it was shown they don't really need to do anything like that. So its no use speculating.
m0dus said:
I'm sure the samething that's going on now would be happening.
SolidSnakex
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m0dus said:
It would be, some would it eat it up and others would call BS until Polyphony showed their cards. That's exactly what's going on here.
Angelcurio
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The sad part is that if this were a ps3 game the thread would be 35 pages long already with people just complaining and insulting the ps3.
SolidSnakex
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m0dus said:
Uhh yes. GT is basically the pinnacle of the genre, rather some like it or not. It's all over racing mags, sells the best ect. With that success comes huge amounts of anticipation and expectations. Put it simply like this, if GT5 is revealed and it isn't the best looking racing game shown at that time all hell is going to break lose. That's the bar Polyphony is at, anything else is a disappointment.
Majmun
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The only reasons why GT4 got trashed was because PD didn't do anything new to the franshise to keep it fresh. It was basically GT3.5. No online play and no damade modeling.
But other than that, it was superior to Forza. GT4 has more cars, more courses, looked better, 60fps, better handling, force feedback was better...etc.etc.
PD have learned from ther mistake and they will reinvent the franchise with the 5th iteration. No doubt about it.
But other than that, it was superior to Forza. GT4 has more cars, more courses, looked better, 60fps, better handling, force feedback was better...etc.etc.
PD have learned from ther mistake and they will reinvent the franchise with the 5th iteration. No doubt about it.
BenjaminBirdie
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Zaptruder said:
That's just me using my regular amount of thought and analysis. I don't know how hard you strain around here, but my brain veins are just fine.
And I'm not defending the "X360" at all. I'm pointing out how boneheaded it is judge any racing sim on screenshots, much less screenshots that aren't indicative of the final product. The only thing I pointed out wayyyyy up thread was that there was a gas gague in the HUD. Something that actually has impact on how the game is played.
The only one straining in this equation, I'd wager, is the person whose post has absolutely nothing to do with the thread at hand and serves only as an attempt (poor, at that) to discredit my commentary as blind fanboyism, as opposed to an exhortation of rational thought and the benefits of drawing conclusions from evidence.
Haters wanna hate
Lovers wanna love
I don't even want
none of the above
Btw people, people are judging the looks of the game, no ones saying these screen shots mean it plays like rad mobile or something.
And yeah, it's okay to tell people you think these screens are shit (i dont give a shit about the game so really they look normal to me) because guess what, thats what those screens are made for. They aren't there to say "hey guys this game exists, don't judge me though!" they are there to say "this is what the game looks like right now, what do you think?" It's totally fair to say NOW you think this doesnt live up to your standards. Of course you might change your mind later down the road, but hey, things change.
Lovers wanna love
I don't even want
none of the above
Btw people, people are judging the looks of the game, no ones saying these screen shots mean it plays like rad mobile or something.
And yeah, it's okay to tell people you think these screens are shit (i dont give a shit about the game so really they look normal to me) because guess what, thats what those screens are made for. They aren't there to say "hey guys this game exists, don't judge me though!" they are there to say "this is what the game looks like right now, what do you think?" It's totally fair to say NOW you think this doesnt live up to your standards. Of course you might change your mind later down the road, but hey, things change.
Teknopathetic
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"pd are the king of racing games."
No.
"Uhh yes. GT is basically the pinnacle of the genre, rather some like it or not"
I'm trying so hard not to use the laugh smilie here. I thought the pinnacle of the genre would be a game that sets the bar for something outside of the superficial. But, I guess superficial's the only way the GT series would ever be mentioned.
No.
"Uhh yes. GT is basically the pinnacle of the genre, rather some like it or not"
I'm trying so hard not to use the laugh smilie here. I thought the pinnacle of the genre would be a game that sets the bar for something outside of the superficial. But, I guess superficial's the only way the GT series would ever be mentioned.
cornholio said:
How is this guy not banned yet?
Anyhow, this is the first look at the game. More screenshots will come with more car variety, more tracks... and more importantly, hands-on impressions, etc. I dunno, there's plenty of potential for this game not to suck, especially based on 5 screenshots.
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