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jdstorm
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(02-13-2017, 03:16 AM)

Originally Posted by SapphiCine

I think I am reaching my breaking point with this game. On chapter 5 and combat is just starting to feel like a real slog. I think the battle system isn't so well designed. Like they want it to be streamlined and yet everything behind the scenes is convoluted with all the different variables. In the heat of battle it's hard to tell how optimally you are performing.

I know enemies have different resistances but the game does a poor job helping you keep track of that. Let alone letting you know if your attacks are infective. The thought of needing to go in the menu to swap weapons between enemies types makes me to drop the game.

Try looking up a build guide. There are a few online. Getting your CPU team (For the Main story it will be Lin, Elma and Irina 90% of the time unless you want to fill the Irina role as healer/buffer yourself but thats one thing the AI does really well and the battles are too fast paced to keep up at times.) All working together and allowing the player character to be high DPS is the way to go.

Duelist and Astral Crusader are the two best player classes by far. In this way the AI will automatically heal Shield and Debuff you. ELMA will have high DPS and Infinite Overdrie and you can just focus on positioning and DPS

I can post a few links if you want.

Also. Id suggest Rushing to chapter 9 before doing any more non manditory sidequests. This game becomes a huge Drag when you have put in lots of hours but are still virtually powerless. At least then you will be around level 40 and able to handle most enemies on foot. From there you can grind to level 60 in under an hour and then ease through most sidequests mechanically while leveling up afinity with previously unused party members
SapphiCine
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(02-13-2017, 03:43 AM)
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Originally Posted by jdstorm

Try looking up a build guide. There are a few online. Getting your CPU team (For the Main story it will be Lin, Elma and Irina 90% of the time unless you want to fill the Irina role as healer/buffer yourself but thats one thing the AI does really well and the battles are too fast paced to keep up at times.) All working together and allowing the player character to be high DPS is the way to go.

Duelist and Astral Crusader are the two best player classes by far. In this way the AI will automatically heal Shield and Debuff you. ELMA will have high DPS and Infinite Overdrie and you can just focus on positioning and DPS

I can post a few links if you want.

Also. Id suggest Rushing to chapter 9 before doing any more non manditory sidequests. This game becomes a huge Drag when you have put in lots of hours but are still virtually powerless. At least then you will be around level 40 and able to handle most enemies on foot. From there you can grind to level 60 in under an hour and then ease through most sidequests mechanically while leveling up afinity with previously unused party members

I am currently a Mastermind but will consider pursuing those classes if it will lead to a more enjoyable time. Sure, post the links and I will give them a look.

I have generally stayed away from side quests but that is good to know.

Thank you. :)
jdstorm
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(02-13-2017, 09:09 AM)

Originally Posted by SapphiCine

I am currently a Mastermind but will consider pursuing those classes if it will lead to a more enjoyable time. Sure, post the links and I will give them a look.

I have generally stayed away from side quests but that is good to know.

Thank you. :)

Here are the two pages i got my most recent builds from.

https://www.gamefaqs.com/boards/7011...les-x/73023441

https://www.gamefaqs.com/boards/7011...les-x/73179135

Found some OP mastermind builds while doing a quick search.

Its called a Blossom dance build but seems more endgame then right now.

Once you MAX out a tier 3 class you should change to another. Arts are Tied to your weapons so you can start building XP in other classes but keep your same arts build.

Once you get your Arts and Passive skills sorted. The next step is weapons and Auguments. The easiest way to do this is unlock as many arms manufacturers to as high a level as possible because they allow you to buy rare gear with useful Augments already inbuilt

Then just match weapon damage type with your art/paasive skill damages and you are set.

Hope that helps.

Ps. Affinity missions are great, they are basically this games equivalent of Mass Effect 2s Loyalty Missions. Its where most fall in love with this game. They are a drag at lower levels but once you are overqualified to do them they are great as you can power past enemies and just enjoy the world building
jdstorm
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(02-14-2017, 08:44 PM)
Sorry for the double post.

Just got done with chapter 6 and wanted to post a few thougts.

1. Man this game really is Systems on Systems on Systems. I had been completely negelecting the soulvoice system up until now.

2. Tatsu is everything people said Jar Jar binks was when star wars episode 1 released.

3. This game does such a good job forshadowing every future reveal once you know what to look for. Suprised i missed most of this stuff on my first playthrough.

4. Now time to get some skells, then rush through to flight mode. Do some quick level grinding, then time to get caught up on all the sidequests i've been avoiding until now

5. Seeing the Telethia up close in the cutscene was really cool. Its such a shame Monolith had to downgrade the game to fit it within the WiiU's specs. The Artstyle is great and doesnt need changing, but man a real current gen lighting engine, Volumetric clouds ect that stuff would have been incredible if it were possible
SapphiCine
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(02-16-2017, 01:47 PM)
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That information and those links helped a lot. Thanks.

Originally Posted by jdstorm

2. Tatsu is everything people said Jar Jar binks was when star wars episode 1 released.

Chapter 6. Jesus Christ. Was this written by the one person that liked Jar Jar Binks?
jdstorm
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(02-17-2017, 05:09 AM)
Got done with chapter 7 earlier today and just got done with all of the prep work to be ready for chapter 8. Just a few thoughts.

1. While i have been skipping most of the regular missions i did do one for the pathfinders. Skipping most of these Regular and Afinity missions takes so much away from the story. The one i played today involved a regular soilder coming into contact with a giant enemy mech that threatens you and forshadows some of whats next.

2. Irina in chapter 7. Without much context her actions seem gung ho and brave. Just typical JRPG anime stuff and Elma contextualising her actions later makes sense buf as exposition. Knowing Irina's journey from all the sidequests in my first playthrough.

The Writing in this game is incredible. Its such a shame this game actively makes it so difficult for the player to see all the incredible work Monolith Soft have put into this title

3. While many of the food jokes in this game grow stale very quickly. Looking at you Tatsu. The Manons love of Pizza is great
TheMoon
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(02-17-2017, 09:13 AM)
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Originally Posted by jdstorm

3. While many of the food jokes in this game grow stale very quickly. Looking at you Tatsu. The Manons love of Pizza is great

neoemonk
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(02-17-2017, 12:17 PM)
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Originally Posted by TheMoon

That joke was in poor taste
SapphiCine
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(02-17-2017, 05:59 PM)
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I do not like the overdrive system but not utilizing it is probably going to make things harder.
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RiggyRob
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(02-17-2017, 08:08 PM)
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I'm gonna be streaming this in about an hour, just doing normal/basic missions - what level should I aim for the party to be for Chapter 7?

Also, what is the best use of miranium & money at this point in the game?
jdstorm
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(02-17-2017, 09:56 PM)

Originally Posted by RiggyRob

I'm gonna be streaming this in about an hour, just doing normal/basic missions - what level should I aim for the party to be for Chapter 7?

Also, what is the best use of miranium & money at this point in the game?

28 and one player has a skell worked for me and was relitively painless.
Edit: level 30 is a requirement for chapter 8 and you will probably have completed the other requirements already just in the process of playing. So may as well get everyone to level 30 and get chapters 7 and 8 done in relitively quick succession.

Spend Mirranium on Arms manufacturers to get better gear and the social "give others mirranium quests from the bulletin board to quickly level up character affinity." Consider doing those with under leveled characters that you likely rarely use like Lao and Gwin since both have mandatory afinity requirements at some point in the game.

Once you hit level 30, a party full of skells can grind to level 50/60 relitively quickly so get a few and do that if you want. Although thats easiest after chapter 9. Level doesnt really matter in this game. Arts, Skills, Gear and Augments are far more important. So start to work out you end game build and work towards that.

Finally. If you havent already done this, you have likely fully leveled a tier 4 class by now. So change to another class but keep the Weapons and Arts of your first class to increase DPS. (Duelist, Astral Crusader and Mastermind seem the most useful so work towards maxing them out)
Last edited by jdstorm; 02-17-2017 at 10:01 PM.
RiggyRob
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(02-18-2017, 12:54 AM)
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Originally Posted by jdstorm

28 and one player has a skell worked for me and was relitively painless.
Edit: level 30 is a requirement for chapter 8 and you will probably have completed the other requirements already just in the process of playing. So may as well get everyone to level 30 and get chapters 7 and 8 done in relitively quick succession.

Spend Mirranium on Arms manufacturers to get better gear and the social "give others mirranium quests from the bulletin board to quickly level up character affinity." Consider doing those with under leveled characters that you likely rarely use like Lao and Gwin since both have mandatory afinity requirements at some point in the game.

Once you hit level 30, a party full of skells can grind to level 50/60 relitively quickly so get a few and do that if you want. Although thats easiest after chapter 9. Level doesnt really matter in this game. Arts, Skills, Gear and Augments are far more important. So start to work out you end game build and work towards that.

Finally. If you havent already done this, you have likely fully leveled a tier 4 class by now. So change to another class but keep the Weapons and Arts of your first class to increase DPS. (Duelist, Astral Crusader and Mastermind seem the most useful so work towards maxing them out)

Cool, thanks for the tips - currently at level 24 in the middle of Chapter 26. Despite the fact I managed to clear out quite a few normal/basic missions, I didn't even level up!
jdstorm
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(02-18-2017, 01:04 AM)

Originally Posted by RiggyRob

Cool, thanks for the tips - currently at level 24 in the middle of Chapter 26. Despite the fact I managed to clear out quite a few normal/basic missions, I didn't even level up!

Yeah the games experience scaling is very dependant on the player beating higher level enemies. Beating enemies that are the same level as you or lower has very little effect.

The first time i played through every possible sidequest up to around chapter 5 or 6 and was still underleveled. Try and find solo enemies that are a higher level then you that you can grind on. The smaller the better as they die faster.
neoemonk
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(02-18-2017, 02:59 AM)
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Can you get Lao in your party after you finish chapter 12?
Pokemaniac
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(02-18-2017, 04:50 AM)
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Originally Posted by neoemonk

Can you get Lao in your party after you finish chapter 12?

no
TheMoon
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(02-18-2017, 11:21 AM)
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Originally Posted by neoemonk

That joke was in poor taste

SapphiCine
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(02-18-2017, 06:43 PM)
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The default Skell frame does suck. Can anyone tell me which frame and equipment I should be aiming for?
Labrynian Rebel
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(02-18-2017, 06:56 PM)
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Originally Posted by jdstorm

The Manons love of Pizza is great

The sidequests with the Manon are probably some of my favorite. Pizza as currency makes perfect sense ya'know?
R.D.Blax
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(02-18-2017, 09:23 PM)
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Decided to come back to finish all the remaining affinity and the first quest I do deal with Nopon getting killed and eaten, complete with corpses and bones.

I forgot how brutal this game could be sometime
viciouskillersquirrel
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(02-18-2017, 09:30 PM)
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Originally Posted by SapphiCine

The default Skell frame does suck. Can anyone tell me which frame and equipment I should be aiming for?

Go for a level 30 Amdusias. Yes, it's more expensive than the others and doesn't give you access to the most exciting builds, but it will last you all the way until you hit Level 50. Min maxing the DPS is an activity for the end game. For now, go for something tanky that hits hard.
jdstorm
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(02-18-2017, 11:25 PM)

Originally Posted by R.D.Blax

Decided to come back to finish all the remaining affinity and the first quest I do deal with Nopon getting killed and eaten, complete with corpses and bones.

I forgot how brutal this game could be sometime

With all the blue skies, nightglow forrests and Jurassic Park style indigens its easy to forget that these characters lost their homes and almost everyone that they cared about when earth was destroyed and they have been hunted and on the run for years on end up against a superior alien force. Mira is basically a blue sky World of Ruin

This is especially true for Elma and Irina who are basically Battle Star Galactica's Starbuck and Apollo. Aka elite combat pilots who have been going up against relentless waves of enemy mechs and overwhelmingly poor odds almost constantly since they left Earth.
neoemonk
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(02-18-2017, 11:36 PM)
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Originally Posted by TheMoon

I just don't appreciate being bowled over by your puns is all
TheMoon
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(02-18-2017, 11:45 PM)
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Originally Posted by neoemonk

I just don't appreciate being bowled over by your puns is all

I'll have to chew on that one for a while.
jdstorm
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(Yesterday, 01:21 AM)

Originally Posted by viciouskillersquirrel

Go for a level 30 Amdusias. Yes, it's more expensive than the others and doesn't give you access to the most exciting builds, but it will last you all the way until you hit Level 50. Min maxing the DPS is an activity for the end game. For now, go for something tanky that hits hard.

Dont do this. Buy 3 Verus skells. They cost half as much as the Amdusias and they come with the G buster weapon already equipped. 3 of these plus your free skell should have you up to level 50 in no time and then you can sell them off to buy a powerful level 50 Skell

Edit: just got done with chapter 8. Forgot that was chapter 8. That was awesome. Time to get on to chapter 9
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