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mbpm1
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(01-31-2017, 02:08 PM)
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Originally Posted by Mr. X

I bet you're silver ranked.

what's that have to do with not having a main lol
CountBlack
(01-31-2017, 02:11 PM)
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Originally Posted by mbpm1

what's that have to do with not having a main lol

don't talk down on urien
sixteen-bit
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(01-31-2017, 02:13 PM)
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Originally Posted by mnz

https://twitter.com/fubarduck/status/826283560663339008

wow, ryu in bottom 5?
myco666
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(01-31-2017, 02:14 PM)
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Originally Posted by Mr. X

I bet you're silver ranked.



It's one opinion tho. And remember, their Gief players are Itazan and FAB if he plays.

I remember there being bunch of other japanese players saying this. Itazan is no joke though.

Originally Posted by mbpm1

what's that have to do with not having a main lol

How could you possibly be higher if you don't have a main?
Zombegoast
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(01-31-2017, 02:17 PM)
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Originally Posted by klabautermann

delayed tech

Not against St.LK. Seriously that move should not be frame trapped to another St.LK with how little the push back is.

This is the same Cammy who I mirror match and beat everything he throw out. But then I switch to Nash and I can't even press a button.
New002
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(01-31-2017, 03:04 PM)
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Originally Posted by LuciusAxelrod

Well, I lost About 2500 LP tonight after not playing ranked for months. From Platinum all the way down to Gold. I feel like trash. I don't know what's up with me, I feel like I was doing so much better against Platinum+ players in Casual than I am against these Gold players. I guess it's not in the card for me to play Akuma.

Originally Posted by Kashiwaba

Casual is never enough to prepare you for ranked matches lol. i learned that the hard way with my crappy juri, I thought i was doing well with her on casuals so i should jump to ranking, but they destroyed me there.

I will echo this. I imagine it's because casual is the place to go to try out characters and test shit out and see what works and what doesn't, so it can be deceiving If you're cleaning up similarly ranked or higher ranked players there. Once you go back to ranked things get more serious so things you got away with in casual might not fly. People are bringing their A game and their mains. I posted earlier how I lost a chunk of LP doing the same thing.
Pompadour
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(01-31-2017, 03:08 PM)
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Originally Posted by New002

I will echo this. I imagine it's because casual is the place to go to try out characters and test shit out and see what works and what doesn't, so it can be deceiving If you're cleaning up similarly ranked or higher ranked players there. Once you go back to ranked things get more serious so things you got away with in casual might not fly. People are bringing their A game and their mains. I posted earlier how I lost a chunk of LP doing the same thing.

Yeah, most players on Casual play at a level one or two leagues below the average skill level of a Ranked Player in their league. Maybe they're rusty, less invested in winning, or whatever but the skill gaps are pretty huge.

A Casual Gold is effectively a Ranked Super Silver.
tintin1029
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(01-31-2017, 03:09 PM)
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Originally Posted by ScraftyDevil

So, what costume and colour combination do y'all use?

I like Colour 10 of Mika's battle costume, Colour 5 of Urien's story costume, and Colour 6 of Birdie's story costume:



I think you can tell a lot about a person based on the colours they use. It's kinda like a reflection of their personality.

I never play Mika without using 4th color on her premium.

With Juri it's either color 12 with normal or Color 9 with her story costume
ElFly
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(01-31-2017, 03:20 PM)
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Zangief default costume, either color 11 or color 2

I bought the xmas costume but (shameful) it causes framedrops on my shitty pc so I stopped using it

also looks kind of bad up close
mnz
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(01-31-2017, 03:28 PM)

Originally Posted by Zombegoast

Not against St.LK. Seriously that move should not be frame trapped to another St.LK with how little the push back is.

This is the same Cammy who I mirror match and beat everything he throw out. But then I switch to Nash and I can't even press a button.

Uhm, delayed tech beats exactly that.
TheSpoiler
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(01-31-2017, 03:35 PM)
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Is 👏Bison 👏Top 👏 Tier 👏 Or 👏 Not

Why is Japan so intent on placing him high and saying he's a problem? I don't have an opinion either way just wondering.
mbpm1
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(01-31-2017, 03:37 PM)
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Bison is garbage and Japan is washed up 3rd tier players

Bison is probably pretty good
mnz
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(01-31-2017, 03:38 PM)

Originally Posted by TheSpoiler

Is 👏Bison 👏Top 👏 Tier 👏 Or 👏 Not

Why is Japan so intent on placing him high and saying he's a problem? I don't have an opinion either way just wondering.

Because they lose to good Bisons tbh. I think if you want to pin it down it's that his offense is actually legit and they don't find consistent ways to beat it.
lucebuce12
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(01-31-2017, 03:41 PM)
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The grey health change really helps Bison who always uses medium or heavy buttons in a lot of offensive situations anyway.
Village
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(01-31-2017, 03:58 PM)
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Originally Posted by TheSpoiler

Is 👏Bison 👏Top 👏 Tier 👏 Or 👏 Not

Why is Japan so intent on placing him high and saying he's a problem? I don't have an opinion either way just wondering.

I think its a gameplay idealogy thing.

People from different areas tend to play games differently. That's why they are " GEIF AND BIPSON are a problem "

and were alike " WHAT THE FUCK IS GOING ON WITH CAMMY"

Who's bopping europe, is it birdie, is birdie running through europe
OmegaTreeFish
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(01-31-2017, 03:58 PM)
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Originally Posted by King Awesome

Yeah, most players on Casual play at a level one or two leagues below the average skill level of a Ranked Player in their league. Maybe they're rusty, less invested in winning, or whatever but the skill gaps are pretty huge.

A Casual Gold is effectively a Ranked Super Silver.

I think this might be more true the higher up you go. As someone who currently plays casual and is silver rank, i fight a lot of people who play there mains in casual only as well as many who seem to turn both ranked and casual on and play what ever connects first.

Makes sense though because once your really invested in ranked (going for gold and above) casual kinda stops making sense apart from to test alts etc.
ShadowKhaN
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(01-31-2017, 03:59 PM)

Originally Posted by Mr. X

I bet you're silver ranked.



It's one opinion tho. And remember, their Gief players are Itazan and FAB if he plays.

Im gold but yea not great.

And yea no char is actually braindead, but when your just not into it, you tend to autopilot and get the illusion that there is no depth there.

I also hate how many people hopped on the character....its a weird ego thing I have idk.

Im about to sit down and write out the pros and cons of every character with a number 1-10 on the significance of that + or -.

Really need to get out of this funk. I feel stuck on autopilot and dont feel like im actually playing against people. It feels like were both just running our autopilots.

Really hate that casual matches group you with equal skill levels. I want to get bodied and have to think. Batlle lounges dont let you filter by reigon...Feels like the only way to play better people is to ask on forums.
mbpm1
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(01-31-2017, 04:00 PM)
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Originally Posted by Village

Who's bopping europe, is it birdie, is birdie running through europe

It's alex

jk
mnz
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(01-31-2017, 04:15 PM)
Sako chiming in:

Sako's top 5: Guile above the rest (SS). Then, Boxer, Dictator, Laura, Rashid.

A lot of Japanese think Dictator is strong this season

Dahbomb
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(01-31-2017, 04:16 PM)
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Japanese players probably have Bison that high because they keep getting washed by Galtu online.
Neoxon
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(01-31-2017, 04:28 PM)
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If Capcom ends up doing another balance patch before CPT 2017 starts, hopefully they'll leave Urien alone.
stn
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(01-31-2017, 04:30 PM)
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Originally Posted by Neoxon

If Capcom ends up doing another balance patch before CPT 2017 starts, hopefully they'll leave Urien alone.

I sincerely hope so! Just buff everyone that sucks. This game is so straightforward that more nerfs will just make characters stale and boring.
CountBlack
(01-31-2017, 04:40 PM)
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Bison secret top tier huh
Dahbomb
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(01-31-2017, 04:45 PM)
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Urien HP buff redacted, Guile V trigger back to 3 bar, Laura improved in neutral, less snowbally, reduce damage on some Balrog combos, revert some changes on Cammy st.MP... buff the lower cast.

Patch done. No 90 pages of changes needed.
lucebuce12
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(01-31-2017, 04:47 PM)
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What's really gonna happen:

Nerf FANG
Improve Laura's neutral
Karsticles
(01-31-2017, 04:48 PM)
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Originally Posted by CountBlack

Bison secret top tier huh

Originally Posted by Dahbomb

Japanese players probably have Bison that high because they keep getting washed by Galtu online.

Originally Posted by TheSpoiler

Is 👏Bison 👏Top 👏 Tier 👏 Or 👏 Not

Why is Japan so intent on placing him high and saying he's a problem? I don't have an opinion either way just wondering.

I think Japan tends toward slower, more defensive and consistent playstyles. Never forget that in Japan, Megaman is a common MvC2 pick - lol. The West tends to love aggro and mixups. Just think about how Daigo and Valle are so different in their approaches to Ryu in SFIV.

Bison might excel under Japanese playstyles, but I think it might be a combination of regional playstyles, unfamiliarity with the character, impatience, and a lack of very high-level play to show off his weaknesses.

Personally, I think Bison is solid mid tier now, but I really have a hard time viewing him as top tier material. I also think that Bison excels at crushing people who are uncertain about their gameplan, and thus, like Gief, he will always do best when a balance patch has recently come out, and then he will taper off a bit.

Just my two cents.
ShadowKhaN
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(01-31-2017, 04:50 PM)
What character can play the most lame/defensive/reactive while not feeling like all is lost once they get in?
Omnistalgic
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(01-31-2017, 04:51 PM)
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Originally Posted by lucebuce12

What's really gonna happen:

Nerf FANG
Improve Laura's neutral

lol, I would never play Fang and that would upset even me.

Honestly, is the game more balanced now guys? It just seems like the tiers were flipped around, new characters are taking the top spots.
mnz
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(01-31-2017, 04:51 PM)

Originally Posted by ShadowKhaN

What character can play the most lame/defensive/reactive while not feeling like all is lost once they get in?

Guile. And I think he might be the only one. Laming people out just doesn't work well in this game.
Neoxon
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(01-31-2017, 04:52 PM)
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Originally Posted by stn

I sincerely hope so! Just buff everyone that sucks. This game is so straightforward that more nerfs will just make characters stale and boring.

This. Urien provides some nice complexity to SFV that shakes up the metagame. The last thing that Capcom needs is to fuck with that.
CountBlack
(01-31-2017, 04:53 PM)
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Originally Posted by lucebuce12

What's really gonna happen:

Nerf FANG
Improve Laura's neutral

Realistically:
Nerf FANG
Laura gets Mika'd
Alex gets buffed to top 5
lucebuce12
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(01-31-2017, 04:53 PM)
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Originally Posted by ShadowKhaN

What character can play the most lame/defensive/reactive while not feeling like all is lost once they get in?

Only one I can think of is Guile. Others like Dhalsim and FANG are at a serious disadvantage if the enemy gets in.

Originally Posted by CountBlack

Realistically:
Nerf FANG
Laura gets Mika'd
Alex gets buffed to top 5

First 2 are likely, third is straight up impossible.
Last edited by lucebuce12; 01-31-2017 at 04:56 PM.
CountBlack
(01-31-2017, 04:55 PM)
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Originally Posted by Neoxon

This. Urien provides some nice complexity to SFV that shakes up the metagame. The last thing that Capcom needs is to fuck with that.

How does Urien shake up the metagame? Lol the S2 Meta right now is pure madness/offence. If anything the only character that's shaking up the metagame with something different is Guile.
Neoxon
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(01-31-2017, 04:58 PM)
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Originally Posted by CountBlack

How does Urien shake up the metagame? Lol the S2 Meta right now is pure madness/offence. If anything the only character that's shaking up the metagame with something different is Guile.

I'm mainly referring to how Aegis Reflector can shake up certain Urien combos & how characters can get around it (there's V-Reversal, but Urien has some answers for that).
kobu
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(01-31-2017, 04:59 PM)
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If you're a FANG player just accept that you will be playing a bad character for the life of the game right now. I played Dee Jay in sf4 so I know capcom just doesn't want some characters to ever be good.
Dahbomb
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(01-31-2017, 05:00 PM)
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Megaman sucks in Marvel 2, doesn't matter where he is played.

Japanese players swore by Dhalsim in Marvel 2 though and that was actually legit but Sim never came into the limelight. But he was most definitely a high tier character in that game.


Not saying they are wrong or anything. Bison might in fact be top tier.
mbpm1
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(01-31-2017, 05:02 PM)
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Originally Posted by lucebuce12

First 2 are likely, third is straight up impossible.

It can be done

Stomp now hits in air and can crossup. Headbutt grabs you out of hte air
all medium buttons reverted
Dash punches + on block
EX stomp and headbutt track
Old oki off grabs returned and improved
Kashiwaba
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(01-31-2017, 05:04 PM)
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Originally Posted by mnz

Sako chiming in:

Wow he thinks Rashid is top 5. i actually think S2 Rashid is one is the best characters on SFV now but he is so underrated now that no one even mentions him, though i think he is more like top 10 than top 5.
CountBlack
(01-31-2017, 05:04 PM)
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Originally Posted by Neoxon

I'm mainly referring to how Aegis Reflector can shake up certain Urien combos & how characters can get around it (there's V-Reversal, but Urien has some answers for that).

90% of the V-Triggers in this game usually become a "welp, how long can I survive now" when activated on hit. It is versatile on other ways though but for combo purposes and what the other characters in the cast can do off a V-Trigger confirm.. it's kinda more of the same.
mbpm1
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(01-31-2017, 05:06 PM)
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Originally Posted by CountBlack

90% of the V-Triggers in this game usually become a "welp, how long can I survive now" when activated on hit. It is versatile on other ways though but for combo purposes and what the other characters in the cast can do off a V-Trigger confirm.. it's kinda more of the same.

Ibuki's game plan still
klabautermann
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(01-31-2017, 05:09 PM)
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Originally Posted by Zombegoast

Not against St.LK. Seriously that move should not be frame trapped to another St.LK with how little the push back is.

This is the same Cammy who I mirror match and beat everything he throw out. But then I switch to Nash and I can't even press a button.

I wouldn't be surprised if that's also just a bad matchup considering how hard they hit Nash with the nerfs.
TheSpoiler
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(01-31-2017, 05:09 PM)
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Wew I can't wait to see Bisons ruling the tournaments then. I think things being normalized is gonna help variation.

Even Nemo seems to think that. But poor poor FANG.
Pompadour
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Originally Posted by CountBlack

90% of the V-Triggers in this game usually become a "welp, how long can I survive now" when activated on hit. It is versatile on other ways though but for combo purposes and what the other characters in the cast can do off a V-Trigger confirm.. it's kinda more of the same.

I feel like there should be a penalty when canceling into VT since there's no incentive to doing it raw except to give you time to punish a jump/fireball/etc. Cut the bar in half upon activation or something.

Of course, most VTs have a pretty one track focus and this wouldn't change their utility. And now that I think about it I retract this suggestion as a Balrog main.
lucebuce12
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(01-31-2017, 05:10 PM)
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Only buff for FANG I can think of is to replace the poison glob with the character Poison.
mbpm1
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(01-31-2017, 05:11 PM)
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Originally Posted by TheSpoiler

Wew I can't wait to see Bisons ruling the tournaments then. I think things being normalized is gonna help variation.

Even Nemo seems to think that. But poor poor FANG.

Like with a lot of characters it comes down to who uses him

somebody could be top tier but if nobody puts in the work
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(01-31-2017, 05:15 PM)
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Originally Posted by King Awesome

I feel like there should be a penalty when canceling into VT since there's no incentive to doing it raw except to give you time to punish a jump/fireball/etc. Cut the bar in half upon activation or something.

Of course, most VTs have a pretty one track focus and this wouldn't change their utility. And now that I think about it I retract this suggestion as a Balrog main.

Maybe make VT activations on block negative so you aren't put into a mixup from blocking an attack. I think it makes sense, even if it'd nerf Laura and a few other characters.
The Lone Dragon
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(01-31-2017, 05:20 PM)
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Originally Posted by Sayad

How much better does this make Alex?

Originally Posted by SolarPowered

This is even rarer than landing crush counters on a non-dizzy opponent thanks to the overhaul v-skill. Would be more interesting if he could do it off EX flash chops that require meter, but have way less startup frames than HP chop.

It's really not that rare.

I land it pretty frequently in real matches, and I suck at just frames / one-frame links usually.

If someone learns to do it consistently, it will definitely become a helpful mindgame. Most characters don't have moves that can BOTH punish a blocked HP.chop (it's -4) AND beat throws at all ranges. So, it forces the opponents hand.
TheSpoiler
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(01-31-2017, 05:27 PM)
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Originally Posted by mbpm1

Like with a lot of characters it comes down to who uses him

somebody could be top tier but if nobody puts in the work

Good.

Let him get slept on.

That way Capcom won't bring out the nerf bat.
lucebuce12
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(01-31-2017, 05:30 PM)
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Originally Posted by animlboogy

i didn't realize they had fighting games in europe

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