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european repair company halts repairs of 360s. says problem is endemic
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Joe211 said:
have you read my posts in this thread, console death thread or this forum?
(I had a over a 3month wait for my 2nd 360 death to be resolved)
The Sphinx said:
Yeah normally, not for long tho. I've used a place to fix a bust ipod and i could take it back anytime in 3months. Obvously I cant say for this place
ymmv said:
Agreed, I think it was already on the UKs BBC1 show "Watchdog" a consumer reporting show a few months ago.
Mefisutoferesu
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I really don't understand this. It must be costing MS a fortune to keep up with repairs and the sheer level of bad publicity it's generating must be uncalcuable. I honestly don't get why MS doesn't just man up and spend the extra cash to fix the problem, regardless of whether or not they admit there's a problem. A new heat sink that's 50% copper, by volume, with more heatpipes and new higher CFM fans in the back would surely, at the very LEAST, stave off the seeming epidemic MS is suffering. I can't cost as much as repairs at this level do. The only thing I can imagine is that there are simply real flaws in the architecture.
neptunes said:
'Simple' may be an overstatement.
Remember, MS is trying to make money this gen. Think of what you are asking? The problem appears to be a fundamental design flaw.
In order to address it, at minimum, MS would need to recall all existing 360's ... both in peoples hands, as well as in stores ... and replace parts potentially including the MoBo, etc.
If the problem is more serious, it could even end up being 'cheaper' to simply replace all consoles ... who knows.
Of course, this involves MS actually knowing to to really fix this problem ... and having a new 360 design R&D'd. Otherwise, they'll just keep breaking.
Either way ... the expense will be HUGE. MS will do anything to avoid this, though at this rate ... they may no longer have a choice. I think a lawsuit will be coming soon.
WickedLaharl
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Dragona Akehi said:
don't say that. i'm getting mine back soon :<
Dragona Akehi
Retired
Agent Icebeezy said:
Out of curiosity, how many goats do you sacrifice to it per month?
john2kx said:
How do I read thread?
Krowley said:
"I seriously think MS should approach Sony or Hitachi or one of the big hardware makers, and ask them to investigate and come up with a fix. This problem is so big you need some tech hardware specialists, like Sony or Hitachi or something."
got that from another site awhile back! hilarious!
fatigues_gasolini
Member
Firewire said:
Hell, Kutaragi doesnt have a job now.
Masta_Killah
Member
Im surprised nobody on the net has created a thread asking people to put down their GT and whether their 360 has gone down. I mean, it's kind of hard to fake your GT, since people can see whether you have a 360 or not. And the error percentage with jaded gamers putting their name in would probably be calculated. It'd be the best way to see the true number of gamers with broken 360's. GAF has what- 25,000 registered users? It'd be interesting to see what the numbers are.
PS- I've gone through one 360, and it looks like it'll be two soon.
PS- I've gone through one 360, and it looks like it'll be two soon.
speculawyer
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Dragona Akehi said:Out of curiosity, how many goats do you sacrifice to it per month?
Naw, that is what Sony does.
Maybe it really costs $599 to build a next-gen box that doesn't break?
I really don't think it's that funny...this console war has been disappointing in that regard. many of the popular memes don't amuse me, from this guy, the ENTIRE reggie thing, and the animals (cats, owls, etc). Browsing the official 'photoshop this picture' threads are less amusing as half of the submissions are venomous and lacking humourFirewire said:
you sound like you're just mad that this reflects negatively on the 360Draft said:
my man, go with next-gen burnout. alex ward says that the ps3 is a machine you can't beatDenogginizerOS said:
maybe you've never heard of http://www.gocontec.com/ either, but they're a set-top cable box repair company (with a location in mexico too) i used to work for and their site is much more amateurishGowans007 said:
Guy LeDouche
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I always wondered what it would be like if there was a fundamental design flaw that could kill a system in such large numbers. I'm not saying that the X360 has a "fundamental design flaw" as I don't understand all the details, but it's interesting to think about.
Also, I wonder what MS's breaking point is. All companies have a line where if things get to X point, we're cutting our losses and GTFO. Anyone who's seen Fight Club knows the formula for calculating a recall.
Basically, what's the range of outcomes, from best-case to worst-case, that are open to MS? At this point, I wonder how much any comprehensive move to fix the problem (recall old systems + redesign of the internals for new machines) would cost MS? Could they absorb it or would they say "**** it" and hope consumers will forgive them while they develop Xbox 720.
I admit, I'm a Sony fan, but I feel bad for my X360-loving friends. It's a flawed system with great games. I want to feel bad for MS too, but they made a series of decisions to get where they are today.
Also, I wonder what MS's breaking point is. All companies have a line where if things get to X point, we're cutting our losses and GTFO. Anyone who's seen Fight Club knows the formula for calculating a recall.
Basically, what's the range of outcomes, from best-case to worst-case, that are open to MS? At this point, I wonder how much any comprehensive move to fix the problem (recall old systems + redesign of the internals for new machines) would cost MS? Could they absorb it or would they say "**** it" and hope consumers will forgive them while they develop Xbox 720.
I admit, I'm a Sony fan, but I feel bad for my X360-loving friends. It's a flawed system with great games. I want to feel bad for MS too, but they made a series of decisions to get where they are today.
BobTheFork
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and just shell out the whole 26 bucks to put the damn thing together.speculawyer said:
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Jim said:
Man your avator like totally rocks and stuff. 2 franchises in one. Brillant!
Masta_Killah
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http://www.mtv.com/news/articles/1563419/20070626/id_0.jhtml
:lol thought this was funny, with the firestorm of 360 failure rates going around.
:lol thought this was funny, with the firestorm of 360 failure rates going around.
Krowley said:
The goat was for display only. No one touched it ate it or anything. But as you can imagine animal activists went nuts, and English papers did what they usually do, blow everything out of proportion!
But its true, they had chicks in toga's and you could see breasts easily!
Tiktaalik said::lol I'm honestly really scared to turn on my 360 and play for long periods of time now.
Similarly, I just noticed the other day that my refurbished DS Lite is showing hinge cracks. Damn they don't make consoles like they used to.
I'd say Nintendo's consoles have been some of the most reliable out there. I've still got a launch Gamecube (with component support WHOOO) that gets left on accidentally all the time, been forcibly shoved into more moving boxes than I'd care to mention and has given me zero problems. N64 works fine and I haven't had any problems with my imported original GBA, my SP, revised SP, nor my DS Phat which I sold towards a Lite. Haven't used it quite enough to say one way or the other about its reliability, but it seems solid enough.
Now my 360, I'm on my third one.
MickeyKnox
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Looks like this is finally starting to catch up to MS. It's a damn shame it's had to come to this too, the only thing preventing me from buying a 360 is the fact that its' a lemon.
How they respond to this is going to be crucial, anything that comes across as more head in the sand "Things break" nonsense would go a long way towards starting a class action lawsuit (where at best they would settle for an insane amount of money)
I understand that they can't just come out and admit that they intentionally released millions of defective units, but at the very least announce a real hardware revision and have some shots of the new internals "leak" onto the net.
If there is any company that could actually foot the bill for a recall on this scale, its MS, but out of curiosity has anyone done the math on the total cost of either recalling or replacing all 360s shipped to date?
How they respond to this is going to be crucial, anything that comes across as more head in the sand "Things break" nonsense would go a long way towards starting a class action lawsuit (where at best they would settle for an insane amount of money)
I understand that they can't just come out and admit that they intentionally released millions of defective units, but at the very least announce a real hardware revision and have some shots of the new internals "leak" onto the net.
If there is any company that could actually foot the bill for a recall on this scale, its MS, but out of curiosity has anyone done the math on the total cost of either recalling or replacing all 360s shipped to date?
Tiktaalik said::lol I'm honestly really scared to turn on my 360 and play for long periods of time now.
Similarly, I just noticed the other day that my refurbished DS Lite is showing hinge cracks. Damn they don't make consoles like they used to.
I think that's a common problem, the way it's built it was only a matter of time before the hinges crack or something if you open and close it at least 5 times a day, like my Sister does to hers.
Don't know who to turn to, to fix it though it is quite annoying when the DS screen just hands off one hinge.
AltogetherAndrews
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Gattsu25 said:
Dead goats and titties. Anyone who has a problem with that is a damned hippie.
akachan ningen
Member
Tiktaalik said::lol I'm honestly really scared to turn on my 360 and play for long periods of time now.
Similarly, I just noticed the other day that my refurbished DS Lite is showing hinge cracks. Damn they don't make consoles like they used to.
If it's still under warranty, it's covered. I got my DS's hinge crack fixed a few months ago. Just gotta go to the website about fill out a form with your serial number.
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tedtropy said:
The DVD drive went out on my Wii, first Nintendo product to ever fault out on me.
akachan ningen said:
I filled in my serial number on the website and it came up as not under warranty. Possibly because it's a refurbished model. It's just starting to crack so I'll probably keep using it until a bunch of DS deals come out around xmas. Either that or I'll try calling up Nintendo and acting all confused. That frequently works.
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man it's like sony and MS got together and a party and said 'you know who hasn't had a win in a while?'
CHORUS: "NINTENDO"
*wraps up win in gift paper*
CHORUS: "NINTENDO"
*wraps up win in gift paper*
Hollywood_mIRC
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Wow, this is just pathetic,. And from what people have told me the problem is:
1) Not being fixed
2) There is no guarantee ANY console won't crap out at any time
3) It's cumulative over time - meaning the more you play, the closer you get to it happening
Because its a heat sink issue that causes the motherboard to "sink", so it can happen any time, over time, and builds up the more you play it, the closer it is to happen.
This screams multi hundreds million class action - but no one wants to go against MS's lawyers. They're pretty well versed in being scum and dealing with lawsuits.
1) Not being fixed
2) There is no guarantee ANY console won't crap out at any time
3) It's cumulative over time - meaning the more you play, the closer you get to it happening
Because its a heat sink issue that causes the motherboard to "sink", so it can happen any time, over time, and builds up the more you play it, the closer it is to happen.
This screams multi hundreds million class action - but no one wants to go against MS's lawyers. They're pretty well versed in being scum and dealing with lawsuits.
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