Dubbedinenglish
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Bush is a better human, yes . I still wouldnt want him back as president. Saw how the recession hurt people, last thing Id want is Bush back.
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I can't believe I'm saying this..I miss Bush. He just owned Trump.
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TheWorthyEdge
Member
Can someone link the interview?
bigjeffery
Member
This trend of liberals starting to "come around" on George W Bush is pretty disturbing.
Yeah and as a black man Bush is already light years better than Trump. Jeffrey super racist Sessions is Attorney General! Trump IS actively re empowering super racist groups in America. Trump IS actively dismantling voting rights brick by brick. So excuse me if I don't regard a dolt as being worse than a guy who is a threat to my very life and my kids.
Oh and for shits and giggles trump also thinks its funny his VP wants to hang gays. As he put it.
Trump wants to remove immigrants who arent white by America and turned ICE into his own illegal police force.
Old Gimlet Eyes
Member
There was the one time he sent everyone in the country a check to help the economy bounce back, it didn't work but it helped me buy a video game, lol.
I don't think anyone is coming around on Bush. Horrible president, but there is nothing wrong with him saying what needs to be said now.
The level of absolutism in this thread is terrifying. Terrible people can do good things, and good people can do terrible things. If Bush can stop more conservatives from going down the rabbit hole into nationalism and fascism, I'm all for it.
VendettaRed07
Member
What I miss about Bush is that it was possible to go several, days, weeks, etc. without thinking about him. Yes, as bad as the administration was, they werent omnipresent in the news every fucking day.
while I'm white.. yeah, Trump ALSO hits harder than Bush just due to promoting and encouraging open islamaphobia AND racism among his supporters, while at the same time implementing policy to roll back many of the discriminatory protections we actually managed to put in place the past 8 years.
super-heated plasma
Member
Don't get me wrong, I don't look on Bush "fondly", but at least with him you knew what you were gonna get. Unlike Trump who changes his fucking mind twice a day on policies and is ready to start a nuclear war over schoolyard insults.
LumpOfCole
Member
Bush was terrible, but he was terrible within normal parameters. We miss the normal parameters.
adamantypants
Member
Bush Jr was THE reason I got invested in politics; I hated that dudes guts. But yeah, it's amazing how even I could look at him with longing these days.
jakonovski
Member
Trump shows to Americans a fraction of the malice Bush showed to foreigners, and now everyone's missing Bush. America truly is a force for evil.
I guarantee you Bush has killed more black Americans than Trump has to date
Oh im not coming around to Bush. He crashed the economy and went to war on a lie but again there is a clear distinction between him and Trump
And people downplaying it or ignoring it are troublesome.
That's exactly how I feel too. I think he will still go down as one of the worst presidents, but at the very least his very existence wasn't casting a shadow over everything I think about every goddamn day.
Soapbox Killer
Grand Nagus
Never saw the big difference in most Presidents except for the current one. Clinton sent me to Operation Desert Fox over what was thought to be a lie as well. Bush continued that same narrative on a much larger scale. People will skew the view to their own beliefs is what I have come to learn. Liberal and conservative alike.
Electric Eye
Banned
There where no positives other than yeah he helped Africa get a grip on AIDS.
BTW Trump s pulled back on the African AIDS aid so that over now.
hmm.. showing malice toward foreigners or showing malice toward foreigners AND your own citizens? which would you choose?
Bush caused ripples that we still feel today in a disastrous way. I do believe he probably has a soul and was likely surrounded by evil men that did him no favours but he is still the leader and could have said no to a lot of things that caused significant harm. Does he deserve some redemption, probably not, is he capable of seeking it and seeing his errors, probably. Trump is different and has no soul, he just hasn't lead the US into an immediate disaster yet but he will cause a great mess like Bush the longer he is office and who knows what awaits, the US no longer being the leader super power arguably could be world changing, more so than causing havoc in the middle east.
And_Gignac
Member
Bush took decisions that killed millions of people.
Liberals should really think twice before romanticizing him again.
liberals all of them at the end. We now know far rightism can not exists without the complicity of centrism.
Liberals should really think twice before romanticizing him again.
neo
It's not like liberals sucking off neocon war criminals is anything new
jakonovski
Member
If it prevents another Iraq, Americans turning on each other is vastly preferable.
Note, I am not american so I can't really relate ot the situation. That said, I'd say a nation starting a war and killing people from other nation generally is worse than being responsible for the death of their own citizens. When it's your own democratic elected (however flawed that process may be ) gouverment, then the population had somewhat of saying on who's going to rule them. A foreign nation has no saying ( unless they elect someone that is wanting to start a war) when another nations starts a war on its ground. That's just how I see it. Also, I can't really compare "potential" deaths to actual deaths.
The image of something is usually more important to people than the actual thing
I wonder how GAF will spin prominent democrats speaking at Kissinger's funeral
theclosetfan
Member
Bush was a terrible president. No debate there.
But the Overton window has shifted majorly to the extreme fringe right. Trump, Bannon, Miller, Roy Moore, the Tea Party, etc.
My baby boomer parents and their entire loyal Republican voting social circle aren't going to listen to Bernie Sanders and Elizabeth Warren on the cancerous tumor that is Trumpism. They *might* listen to a past GOP president that they liked and voted for.
Got to hold your nose and embrace common allies on this. Most important thing in the country right now is to isolate Trump's base, and pull Republicans willing to listen to reason further to the center.
in al fairness Bush had 8 years to do his killing.
Bush destroyed another country, which the US has been doing for decades under many Presidents.
Trump is unique in that he is the first to actively try to destroy the United States.
Not to mention that mother fucker is trying to start World War 3.
Wait what
I assume this is the speech OP is talking about: http://edition.cnn.com/videos/politics/2017/10/19/george-w-bush-divisive-politics-sot.cnn
Zvonimir Boban
Banned
No thanks.
ManDudeChild
Member
Yeah, it might have been in poor taste, and fucked up. But that woman sat on a person while another took a hammer to their face, then pick-axed said person so they would stop making noise. I'm not a proponent of capital punishment, but lets not pretend this was an innocent victim of circumstance or some random black dude that got fingered for a crime because of racism.
Old Gimlet Eyes
Member
How about the recession Bush led us to? Not to mention the trillion+ $ he spent overseas.
Let's be honest Bush shows contempt for Trump because of Trump shitting on him during the primaries, ending his brother Jeb's political career and to a lesser extent ending Billy Bush career too lol. There is a lot of personal baggage between the Bushes and Trump and that is why you see hostility from Bush towards Trump imo.
Hellsing321
Member
And Trump is rolling back all the policies put in place to stop it from happening again so...
Roronoa Zoro
Gold Member
Ignorant bigots will not be swayed by bush. They disowned the whole Republican Party other than trump and trump supporters. Every time I hear a republican speak up against something trump did its met with well why would I listen to him he did x y and z! Its like theres an instant reaction to just hate whoever insults the guy regardless of their previous feelings towards that leader. If Reagan was still around I Wonder whose side the majority of Republicans would take?