Why wouldn't they? This is very common.
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Why wouldn't they? This is very common.
perfectchaos007
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Yeah I work at a printing company and within the last year or so we went through a period where almost every customer who walked in needed a rush job. So, unfortunately we had to add a very high rush charge for those who wanted a super unreasonable turnaround. Its not because we want to make more money, its simply to try to train our customers to order in advance, when possible, and respect our standard turnaround times.
I worked at an university, and people rang up constantly, asking if we knew any students that want to do X for free.
We always refused to share briefs that are unpaid (with the exception of some charity work).
Otherwise as an illustrator, I find that it happens very frequently, and there are friends of mine who take these kinda fo breifs because they're having such a hard time finding real work.
I guess their deperation to do any kind of work (with the hope that one day it will lead to a big job) is feeding this kind of culture.
We always refused to share briefs that are unpaid (with the exception of some charity work).
Otherwise as an illustrator, I find that it happens very frequently, and there are friends of mine who take these kinda fo breifs because they're having such a hard time finding real work.
I guess their deperation to do any kind of work (with the hope that one day it will lead to a big job) is feeding this kind of culture.
This reminds me about how in Finland the government wanted professional artists to come hold some seminars/talks, even to create something, for the 250th anniversry event for freedom of press last year. For free.
Source (in Finnish) http://www.hs.fi/kulttuuri/art-2000002895873.html
Source (in Finnish) http://www.hs.fi/kulttuuri/art-2000002895873.html
HP_Wuvcraft
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I know it sounds defeatist, but people get fucking dumb around people in labor positions. They just shut off their brain and expect that, just because you are in X position, that means you can work magic.
At my old mailroom job in college, some guy wrote up a manifesto about how it was our job to give people their packages. Well, it is, but we can't just summon them. This declaration of rebellion then went on to say how stupid we all must be because it is the easiest job to just hand someone something, and we can't even do that. One girl came up and asked us to check and see if her bike had arrived.
Vox Media built a billion dollar media empire off this practice.
http://deadspin.com/how-sb-nation-profits-off-an-army-of-exploited-workers-1797653841
http://deadspin.com/how-sb-nation-profits-off-an-army-of-exploited-workers-1797653841
Monocle
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TheGameshark
Member
My graphic design professor has told me all kinds of crazy stories of him dealing with clients. One client rejected him and didn't pay him for a logo and then went ahead with using said logo.
PintSizedSlasher
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H.Protagonist
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Oh man. Was just scrolling through this thread since it popped up, and this post^^^ was quite the gem. Got a request from that user right after (even said I could do a background if I wanted!), so I suggested a commission or he could try his chances in the Portrait thread. He never replied to the former but did post his pic in the Portrait thread. However, even when he did get his image drawn in the Portrait thread by AA, not a word of thanks to the dude. Tsk tsk.
TheGameshark
Member
This is fucking amazing.
I mean I'd just set up a dummy site with google/facebook sourced wedding photos. I'm not a wedding photographer, but I'm sure I could fake it.
I found one you might like. Pay us $500 and you'll get to photograph for us! and take all of your photos and no exposure!
Honestly, this is the only one that I'd question its inclusion in this thread.
From the layout, it looks like a fundraiser/backer reward type thing. And if it is that, it should get a pass.
If it is for actual work, then ignore what I just said.
Vox, Forbes, and many others.
Thought this was common knowledge.
Hell, read the Gamasutra jobs board and see how many game "media outlets" want you to work for free just to "be in the industry!"
Is this from Glenn Fricker's (SpectreSoundStudios) "Stupid Musician Texts" series? Because he had a lot of things like that in there.
It's from a concert a while back, the twitter handler removes any names or handles so as not to encourage trolls to harass or abuse. so the've omitted what and where the concert was as well as any names.
Trigonometrize.
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Most baffling thing about this is they say no amateurs, yet the person they're looking to hire is a dictionary-definition amateur.
I get that.
What I'm saying is that the layout is very similar to what you'd see at a charity site, awarding something like a walk-on role in a TV show or movie for a certain donation. Or as a backer reward on Kickstarter.
The lack of context makes it difficult to judge that specific example.
You should still pay amateurs.
Trigonometrize.
Member
Well yeah, I'm just saying in addition to looking like assholes they also look stupid. A common definition is "someone who does something for fun rather than pay."
jediyoshi
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Vox Media is the company at the head of all the sites, Vox is just one of the sites, same as SB Nation/Polygon/Verge.
Same. I write stuff, and this hits home.
Well, not anymore because I get paid now, but it is familiar.
As a graphic designer and occasional model, I have read this kind of shit waaaay too much. In the beginning, the prospective employer had the "good for your portfolio" card, but now that I've successfully done both and I have a portfolio they really don't have shit for excuses. Happens all the time.
Do people think artists can just shit out great art tailored to your every whim in a matter of seconds? Did they see some famous artist signing autographs with a sketch of a character and assume that's what it's like for all artists? Is it a fedoralord disdain for the arts in favor of "real" studies? Are they jealous wannabe artists who gave up and rationalized it away that it would be super easy for them if they had "talent" or "a creative mind" like all those other lucky artists were born with? All of the above? What makes people think like this?
-duskdoll-
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They were funny at first, but then i got increasingly annoyed with every post.
BLOODED_hands
Member
I'm sure you already know the answers, but yes it is all of the above sadly.