IrishNinja
Member
i bet you can play corporate defense force without personally insulting someone, if you tried
^also see this
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Just got my console (and I assume my account) banned from Live for playing Halo 4.
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i bet you can play corporate defense force without personally insulting someone, if you tried
^also see this
TimeEffect
Member
Does it really say you can't play video games prior to the release date?
No, i sort of hinted at it earlier in the thread. Lets see if you guys can read between the lines. Consumers won't know about it
anyone??
Watch it be somekind of huge wave of legal action that MS is taking against everyone caught downloading or playing the game or some shit.
Am I even in the right direction here?
Square Triangle
Member
Anything that is street dated. That even means Too Human had the same treatment.
Right now they can. New exploit.
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Retro_
Unconfirmed Member
you're right. which is why you can't be legally prosecuted for it
You did agree to a TOS for use on xbox live though. and I'm sure there's something in there that gives them the right for bans like this
Krappadizzle
Gold Member
They tend to care more for their more higher profile series. Especially the ones that have a strong multiplayer focus.
Demoncarnotaur
Member
Tbh, Im not even sure if people can or not now that you mention it..
Whether an act of sale happened doesn't depend on the internal process of accounting the store uses. It depends on whether both involved parties are willing to exchange goods for money - which happened here.
They certainly are allowed to ban you, but I don't agree with some people in this thread that claim some obligation to obey arbitrary street dates.
me? nope.
I think you overlook that 5% is still a lot
polyh3dron
Banned
He was playing a fucking game he purchased properly. I don't know how anyone can defend his console getting banned.
Frankie and David Ellis said(in the Halo OT's) if you manage to grab a legitimate copy you would not get banned.
Here he's saying skellington's copy is not legit, the store duped him it seems:
Huevos de Oro
Member
There shouldn't be any reason to punish someone for playing a game obtained from a retailer who broke street date. The retailer in question could or should face repercussions but that's between the publisher and the retailer.
Unfortunately in OP's case there is no proof about it being a legitimate purchase, only good faith from the people reading the thread. I'm willing to believe the store gave him no receipt probably to avoid the potential repercussions of it breaking said street date.
Unfortunately in OP's case there is no proof about it being a legitimate purchase, only good faith from the people reading the thread. I'm willing to believe the store gave him no receipt probably to avoid the potential repercussions of it breaking said street date.
MrChocolate
Member
Are you seriously asking this?
R
Retro_
Unconfirmed Member
Should read the thread. Some people in the industry have done a pretty good job of it so far.
polyh3dron
Banned
It wasn't his responsibility to know that MS said that, how do you know he knew that for sure?
onlyindreams
Banned
This kind of pro-corporation talk is really scary
Demoncarnotaur
Member
Now Im super curious on what you are referring to.
OldJadedGamer
Banned
He didn't purchase it properly and states that in the OP.
polyh3dron
Banned
Yes. It's not his fault they sold him the game earlier, he shouldn't be going through this. I couldn't care less what industry insiders say. Yeah if he pirated it, fucking nuke the console remotely for all I care.
element
Member
The 5% of stores without systems to prevent sales like this probably don't even get Halo 4 until it is officially out.
Like I said, this is a very special case. IMO MS probably could have waited an extra week before shipping to retailers.
What is scary about it? It work in games. My livelihood depends on my job. Think of the people that worked on the game. You get upset because someone got their gamertag banned, but something like this could cause a game not to sell which could cost people their jobs at the developer (if it were to affect sales). This is why there are street dates and embargos.
polyh3dron
Banned
In terms of paying the vendor the proper amount of money, yes he did.
I'm now obsessed with this secret. Not on the disc, but pertaining to people owning the game? Damn, it's like riddle. Maybe once you go online with Halo 4, MS send you, or give you something from their store, Beta access to Gears or something. Ummmm.
R
Retro_
Unconfirmed Member
Corporations and the people that work with them/for them kinda have to be pro-corporations.
It's kind of their livelihood
I have no problem with corporations protecting their interests. Even if I don't agree with the practices
After all they're just videogames to us.
He absolutely DID purchase it properly and states that in the OP. He just doesn't have a receipt for the transaction. It's irrelevant to the discussion anyway, as Microsoft doesn't have a way to differentiate between a stolen and a purchased copy.
The customer shouldn't have to care about Microsoft's marketing plan, if a store is willing to sell it to him that's not his problem. A customer can and should expect a game he bought to work and not give him any further hassle.
you're sol. I got banned because they gave out free maps on call of duty black ops for hardended purchasers and MS thought I "stole them off the marketplace"
they don't care. you have to give them more money to play their games now. thats more money in their pocket. its shitty but its how it is.
E: I lost all of my XBL content when they banned my tag, and it's a big reason I don't buy anything on live anymore.
they don't care. you have to give them more money to play their games now. thats more money in their pocket. its shitty but its how it is.
E: I lost all of my XBL content when they banned my tag, and it's a big reason I don't buy anything on live anymore.
I kinda feel a bit bad right now. I told the OP that it was fine to post his impressions on GAF as long as he showed a receipt. He said he didn't have one so a picture of the disc would suffice. It really didn't suffice...
That teasing. How about this: On a scale of 1 to awesome, how awesome is it?
That teasing. How about this: On a scale of 1 to awesome, how awesome is it?
I do not understand this. I mean, a store buys a product from the creator. The store now owns this copy of the product. Surely the store can do with it what they wish?
MrChocolate
Member
Errr I agree, thats why I asked you that.
There are people that said that things like the RROD and (in less quantity) YLOD were "natural things that happened to electronic devices."
You will find people that defend corporations like they worked for them.
Not if they have a contract that prevents them from doing anything with it until the date signified on the box. Which is the case here, apparently.
It's not just a transaction, there's also an agreement.
Debug mode with helmetless chief, it can be nothing else.its not awesome at all, its not super good and its just a fact of development that this happens
You guys won't see it at all
Actually, that does make me wonder if remote debug menus could be activated on a per-account basis, I imagine so.
polyh3dron
Banned
No, the store fucked up here. They are in the wrong, not the consumer and here, the consumer is the one who suffered the consequences.
For such products, stores typically have special agreements with distributors that detail when they can start selling it and what happens when they are in breach of contract (= sell the product early).
Even then nothing he did hurts the corporation or the people working for it. His money goes down the food chain just as it would a week from now. If Microsoft wants to get mad they could you know use that private info the subscriber supplies to contact them and find out who broke the street date and then target the actual problem.
Sarcastico
Member
If the person does not have the receipt of a game that's not officially released, then what proof does he have that he purchased it legitimately?
You have to sign agreements to carry certain items which makes sense. Retailers need time to receive items, set aside preorders, and make sure they don't have people lining up with no games in stock. It also prevents other retailers from cutting into other businesses if they get their shipments early.
They sign contracts with those shipments. Consumers don't sign contracts. Even if it is in a TOS, consumers don't have the same expertise in law as a store signing wholesale/distributor agreements would. It's kind of crazy to ban and ask questions later. It places unjust burden on the customer to prove ownership.