unaveragekid2
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I imagine that when they were designing the PS4, Sony literally just asked those studios what they wanted and did it. And it's going to be awesome.
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[Eurogamer\DF] Orbis Unmasked: what to expect from the next-gen PlayStation.
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I imagine that when they were designing the PS4, Sony literally just asked those studios what they wanted and did it. And it's going to be awesome.
HomerSimpson-Man
Member
Yeah.
Uncharted 2, 3
Killzone 2, 3
God of War 3, Acesion
The Last of Us
These are the type of graphical show cases Sony devs are pushing out on the PS3 now, I have no doubt giving these same devs a piece of kit several GPU generations apart, even if it's not a 680, from the PS3 since it's inception, they will make it sing like no one else.
Good lord, I nearly soiled my pants thinking what they can do.
Gemüsepizza
Member
That's simply not true and greatly exaggerated. I am pretty sure it will look almost the same.
unaveragekid2
Member
Killzone 2 released almost FOUR YEARS AGO, and we're still using it a benchmark for these consoles. Multiplats are still playing catch up. I love Sony's first party.
The GPU and RAM improvements alone equate to a functional generational leap in what we see. These machines aren't the high-end monsters the PS3/360 were -- they are built to be profitable, cool (literally), and easy to program for. They seem to be much closer in tech than the 360/PS3 -- so that may be good news for ports. Nothing about the specs is finalized and there is still much debate. Showcases like Agni's Philosophy are in theory achievable with some trade-offs.Am I the only one that can't get excited over this technical mumbo jumbo? Anyone able to tell me in basic terms.
Whether it be pictures/footage of the graphics or something!
Much appreciated.
What are you referencing here? cross game chat? Look at my edited post, I feel like I clarified it a bit more.
Am I the only one that can't get excited over this technical mumbo jumbo? Anyone able to tell me in basic terms.
Whether it be pictures/footage of the graphics or something!
Much appreciated.
Unreal Engine 3: This Gen
Unreal Engine 3: Next Gen
Unreal Engine 4: Next Gen
Did you like not play Crysis 2 on consoles? lol
Chuck Norris
Banned
Is your source more up to date than your jokes?
unaveragekid2
Member
Unreal Engine 3: Next Gen
What game is that? I think I like it.
Crysis 2 really was gorgeous, and better than I expected third parties to get, but dat framerate. I'm usually able to ignore it in games, but not Crysis.
They should get close on PS4 though.
Star Wars 1313.
The framerate was the result of the graphics technology. The PS3 and Xbox 360 couldn't handle it.
Phoenician_Viking
Banned
Exactly. People are being way too short sighted with this. This is not about XGC, it´s about the next big thing, or things that might be very hard for Orbis to replicate because of not enough RAM.
Interesting, hah thank you.
Oh, that's a lot easier to understand. Thank you, much appreciated mate.
Icing on the cake in helping me understand all this, thank you!
Not sure if this is an answerable question, but does that mean, say for example, open world games, will be able to double in size..?
James Sawyer Ford
Member
It'll suit the future needs of gamers.
But it won't match up to what Microsoft is going to unveil.
Killzone 2 is a lot more impressive than Crysis 2 on consoles. Not a fan at all of Crytek or their engines.
Were PS3/360 "high end monsters" though? I recall there were GPUs on the market that were more powerful than both when they released, but due to the closed nature of the system they stood up comparably to high end PCs even if the specs couldn't match directly.
Isn't that a bad thing? It's fine for a company to pursue different philosophies with their tech -- but OS-level features are becoming more important -- not less.
unaveragekid2
Member
Just watched the demo. When it first came out I remember hearing people say it was Uncharted, and they weren't exaggerating. Very pretty though.
I guess, yes, you're right. I forfeit. CryEngine 3 really is a fantastic multiplat engine. When the games open and say "achieved," I feel like they deserve to be called an achievement. I'm really excited to play Crysis 3 on PS3, but a little scared of what pushing the console even further will do.
Phoenician_Viking
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No, i won´t look at the Vita since the Orbis will be much bigger multimedia machine than the Vita will ever be. I wish people would stop saying this crap. You can´t compare the OS functions of the Vita with the Orbis since the Orbis will be doing so much more out of the gate than the Vita will ever do. The next big thing might take much more memory than what´s allocated to the Orbis´s OS. So, no, 512MB RAM is very short sighted and not future proof.
Gemüsepizza
Member
Not for me. I want fast hardware for games with basic OS functions and not a console which makes big sacrifices for apps, services and crap.
Oh really? And what the hell is "the next big thing"? You don't even know that, but you propose Sony should sacrifice hardware power for it, that doesn't make much sense.
Able? yes
But I rather see more details, better lighting and animations with current open world sizes than bigger maps looking the same as current gen
James Sawyer Ford
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OS-level features are not really gaming related though. They're more about integrating content (particularly TV, the web, etc) into the console's OS, and do it WHILE you're playing a game.
Some will love the luxury of it, others will find it a waste.
I'll wait and see. I'm inclined to think that if you're a core gamer it's really not something essential like cross game chat.
unaveragekid2
Member
This will be the first console launch I'll be involved in, so I am pretty excited for the actual hardware. We don't really know what a lot of the games will be, lol. But I trust Sony's first party.
So Watch Dogs sort of thing? The amount of detail in that game looked pretty amazing.
Does this mean the amount of players per game in multiplayer will increase..? Or is that already possible on current-generation consoles. Isn't the average amount of players in multiplayer per match 24-34..?
Excuse all my questions, I know nothing about hardware and what it can do..
Risk Breaker
Member
Unreal Engine 3: This Gen
Did you like not play Crysis 2 on consoles? lol
Isn't that pre-rendered? lol
Nope.
Crysis as a game is doing a bit more (as is the engine). But I agree. Killzone looks better. Crysis does nothing for me.
IQ yes. You can say that for just about every console game this gen, barring God of War 3/A or Forza Horizon. But that doesn't change the graphical effects being put on display.
Stillmatic
Member
Playing Demon Souls 2/Dark Souls 3 looking like this on Orbis/Durango with Oculus...sheeeit.
I disagree. It's essential because I'm investing hundreds into a platform and I want feature parity.
XtremeXpider
Member
Why? what else needs to be done on a gaming console, we can already stream everything known to man, heck the ps3 records tv etc on its small os footprint what more do people want out of there gaming console?.
Risk Breaker
Member
Do you have a video? Downsampling truly does wonders for the visual mess that Gears 3, sadly is.
The only graphical effects worthy of mention that I see is the smoke. Which really doesn't look like I remembered it.
The lighting is baked, there's not shadow casting at all, really hard to see motion blur, no DoF, no noticeable AO (if at all), the light from the gunshot is nothing that Gears 1 didn't already do. First thing I noticed is the hilarious stun animation from Baird/Marcus?
It looks good, but it is what it is technically.
Hmmm yeah you can say so but again, we don't know how big Watch_Dogs is so we'll have to wait
And about the amount of players, I don't think we'll see Battlefield 3 for PC numbers but an increase sounds reasonable
He left a couple months ago. Before the Wii U launched iirc
James Sawyer Ford
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does bgassassin post on GAF anymore? Wasn't he an insider?
Here's what he recently said about Durango vs. PS4 on B3D:
He's basically saying that the paper specs are pretty much an "apples to apples" comparison (1.84 TF vs 1.23TF, 200 GB/s vs 100 GB/s). No magic special sauce in store for Durango? At least not enough to make up for the paper shortcomings versus Orbis?
You're never going to get feature parity.
Microsoft has Kinect, Playstation has Move (and now possibly a touch screen with biometric sensors).
Different philosophies for different companies.
Here's what he recently said about Durango vs. PS4 on B3D:
He's basically saying that the paper specs are pretty much an "apples to apples" comparison (1.84 TF vs 1.23TF, 200 GB/s vs 100 GB/s). No magic special sauce in store for Durango? At least not enough to make up for the paper shortcomings versus Orbis?
You're never going to get feature parity.
Microsoft has Kinect, Playstation has Move (and now possibly a touch screen with biometric sensors).
Different philosophies for different companies.
You remember wrong. The Xbox360 was state of the art when it was released, but a year later the PS3 wasn't because the Geforce8800 was released at about the same time. And you're also wrong on the "due to the closed nature of the system they stood up comparably to high end PCs even if the specs couldn't match directly." High end PC's from late 2006/early 2007 when the PS3 launched run games noticably better than the consoles do.
These rumors point to economic friendly and high power/cost oriented design, not pushing high performance.
Gemüsepizza
Member
So you want to sacrifice graphic fidelity for features?
Those aren't features; they're gimmicks. Just like when Sony claimed 3D was a "feature" of the game. It's a waste of my time. But if, say, live streaming from your console turns out to be huge -- what then? I don't want the features to be identical -- I want what will appeal to you and I to be there on both platforms like xgame chat.
Anybody else get the survey from Sony a couple of months back asking about your likely hood of purchasing a new video game console or handheld in the next year, and what price a new console would have to be in order for you to "Definitely" purchase it? It's kind of interesting how everything is falling into place.
Whiteshirt
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Implementation is going to be essential for a lot of these features. The fundamental problem I see with these consoles is that tablets and smartphones basically do a lot of the features they claim to do well, better. A lot of people have tablets and smartphones now so if they're going to push certain features, they have to do it better than these devices.
Things like true multitasking aren't particularly useful if they're more obtuse to use than other media consumption device. If I'm going to open a web browser, I'm going to go to the iPad next to me and I'm not going to try multitasking a console game and a console's web browser at the same time.
I think its a bit of the same problem with Metro and non-touch devices. I personally think Apple did it right. They ensured the desktop/laptop worked through trackpad gestures and keyboard and the tablet/smartphone worked through touch input. Microsoft has basically attempted to build a one-size-fits-all interface so you've got this really strange situation where one half of the OS interacts poorly with traditional keyboard and mouse, input devices still found on tonnes of desktops and laptops. Even then, you could argue that Intel based touch ultrabooks are completely stupid because of their size, weight, and the fact they've got fans inside them. That leaves you with Windows RT which is honestly not any better than Android or iOS for the typical consumer and probably more confusing to use due to not immediately obvious "multitasking" gestures.
Things like true multitasking aren't particularly useful if they're more obtuse to use than other media consumption device. If I'm going to open a web browser, I'm going to go to the iPad next to me and I'm not going to try multitasking a console game and a console's web browser at the same time.
I think its a bit of the same problem with Metro and non-touch devices. I personally think Apple did it right. They ensured the desktop/laptop worked through trackpad gestures and keyboard and the tablet/smartphone worked through touch input. Microsoft has basically attempted to build a one-size-fits-all interface so you've got this really strange situation where one half of the OS interacts poorly with traditional keyboard and mouse, input devices still found on tonnes of desktops and laptops. Even then, you could argue that Intel based touch ultrabooks are completely stupid because of their size, weight, and the fact they've got fans inside them. That leaves you with Windows RT which is honestly not any better than Android or iOS for the typical consumer and probably more confusing to use due to not immediately obvious "multitasking" gestures.
XtremeXpider
Member
I'm pretty sure bgassassins don't know much about the "special sauce".
XtremeXpider
Member
Do you have a video? Downsampling truly does wonders for the visual mess that Gears 3, sadly is.
The only graphical effects worthy of mention that I see is the smoke. Which really doesn't look like I remembered it.
The lighting is baked, there's not shadow casting at all, really hard to see motion blur, no DoF, no noticeable AO (if at all), the light from the gunshot is nothing that Gears 1 didn't already do. First thing I noticed is the hilarious stun animation from Baird/Marcus?
It looks good, but it is what it is technically.
Gears of War has Motion blur (pre object).
Some direct feed pics:
James Sawyer Ford
Member
I don't know. He got WII U's specs right I thought, so he has a source.
Risk Breaker
Member
Well, I can't find the specific sequence in the gif, but the main reason I thought it was a cutscene is because of the rim lighting on Cole, which is really a lot more prominent during cutscenes (which ran worse than the gameplay, obviously).
The 360 was very comparable to a high-end machine when it launched, surpassing it even. It was around the PS3's launch that new components started coming out that propelled computers ahead. By this stage multiplats looked better on PCs and Crysis had completely blown everything away. It seems like these new consoles are 'mid-end monsters', with some benefits.
Proelite
Member
Not for the GPU. He massively overrated it.
Phoenician_Viking
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Gemüsepizza;46623156 said:
Yeah really. Very few people heard about XGC and party chat on consoles before this gen. And now everyone expect them to be standard next gen. So yeah, next gen will bring something more advance and much more useful than this gen OS wise and Competitors should be aware of MS since making OS is their core business. It´s very short sighted to assume that 512MB RAM from a hardware company like Sony to match 3GB RAM of MS and company which specializes in software development. I don´t know what´s the next big thing, but i´m sure that you don´t want the Orbis to be way behind again with regards to functionality to the Durango. 3GB OS for Durango will definitely not be just for show.