Kazuma Kiryu
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i didn't say they were the only ones, i 100% agree with you on that. but sony's 1st party studios have pushed the systems to the max, regardless of what power the hw had.
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[Eurogamer\DF] Orbis Unmasked: what to expect from the next-gen PlayStation.
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i didn't say they were the only ones, i 100% agree with you on that. but sony's 1st party studios have pushed the systems to the max, regardless of what power the hw had.
Clay Davis
Member
sure and this is where we disagree. the home screen is the most vital cog in the machine for promoting content. this is where they need to promote new content and sales with there being more promotion in the stores.
microsoft have a acceptable set up at the moment, the problem is their execution. they need to remove the non game related ad and move the promotions to the sides and move the game library and disc icon window to the centre of the screen.
absolutely agree. I don't want ads for things I can't buy on the console. have those ads in the store if you must, but make sure they benefit the platform through sponsored content.
Terbinator
Member
Dear God no!
BruiserBear
Banned
It's your wallet that needs to be ready
I can speak for myself and say mine is ready.
Can Crusher
Banned
Reiko already made the point for me, but anyway I wasn't saying Sony 1st party weren't producing quality, just that they were far from the only ones.
Hell look at Quantic Dream, Heavy Rain looked great back then and Beyond looks amazing you know? (dying to play it honestly). But they weren't technical wizards before...this is a consequence of trying to take advantage of the tech in the most powerful console because you're just making the game for it.
velociraptor
Junior Member
I'm not expecting NFS Shift level of motion blur, but a subtle use can go a long way
It can help highten the sense of speed.Domcorleone
Member
I don't know if this has been answered yet already or not but will developers have a problem creating parity between the two systems since they have just a big difference in ram size?
3.5 vs 6?
What kind of differences could one expect? Texture quality? AA?
3.5 vs 6?
What kind of differences could one expect? Texture quality? AA?
None of those games looked better than GoW2. The only one I can think of is FFXII considering the massive scale of the game.
Clay Davis
Member
I'm not trying to start a is it an ad or isn't it discussion / argument. it's a worn out one with people holding firmly entrenched opinions and feelings for and against.
I just feel going for a plain OS / UI on the home screen is the wrong direction, especially when digital releases are likely to be such a big part of next gen gaming.
There is a tick box called "autoplay videos", unchecking will default to the games image gallery instead of loading trailers. Steam's "frontpage" is also completely user-definable from the settings menus.
The only reason ads are tied heavily to sales on the Xbox interface is because navigating to any part of the UI that isn't ads is terrible and slow. Hell, microsoft force a limit on the number of new digital releases a week but they still can't manage to promote their 2-3 new XBLA/on demand titles per week, gotta have those full video and audio Lovefilm ads on the frontpage instead.
velociraptor
Junior Member
I agree GOW2 was an amazing looking game. But Japanese studios really did well last generation. DMC3, ZOE2, MGS2, MGS3 were all spectacular.
lol you dont even understand what you bolded
grimshawish
Banned
Silent Hill 3 aged well. GOW2 didn't.
As someone who played neither (don't think I played 3 anyway); I can say in that gif are better animations than that silly one people are supposedly cuming on their computer screens over from the Last of Us.
Clay Davis
Member
You're wrong. Big time.
Silent Hill 3 aged well. GOW2 didn't.
last gen silent hill games were incredible. in gameplay, visuals and art direction. unparalleled and it seeing where the franchise has ended up hurts all the more.
Lol, hearing people defend corporate shillery instead of individualism or UI accessibility and simplicity is baffling to me. I don't really care for the potential slight increase in sales if it sacrifices general UI competency and aesthetic integrity. I spend hundreds, even thousands on entertainment, I don't need it forced down my throat any more than it already is.
The home page of an OS should be a tool to navigate media, files, features, options and settings, and have a touch of aesthetic individuality (think home page of OSX, Windows, mobiles etc) to boot, not be cluttered with unrelated or potentially pointless garbage.
Like I said there's store and game pages for these things for when people want it along with ads and promotions, no need to have it any other way. The day random ads start popping up on my Mac or Windows home page is the day I drop that OS.
You're wrong. Big time.
Silent Hill 3 aged well. GOW2 didn't.
Can't believe that's a PS2 game.
TGO
Hype Train conductor. Works harder than it steams.
I still think if team silent got back together and made another SH it would wipe the floor with everything graphicallylast gen silent hill games were incredible. in gameplay, visuals and art direction. unparalleled and it seeing where the franchise has ended up hurts all the more.
Can Crusher
Banned
True dat, replaying ZOE2 feels way more spectacular than God of War 2 for example.
You're wrong. Big time.
Silent Hill 3 aged well. GOW2 didn't.
can I post a gif from gow2 cutscenes so we can compare apples to apples?
In the case of Silent Hill 3, it's a technical marvel... While looking absolutely beautiful.
You mean video files? The cutscenes from Silent Hill 3 are all rendered in game.
The in game ones aged badly...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lLXPyCQYco0
IIRC, GoW2 used pre-rendered cutscenes, so it really would be apples to oranges as the cutscenes in SH3 were realtime.
You're wrong. Big time.
Silent Hill 3 aged well. GOW2 didn't.
GoW2s pedigree was in scale and scope. Silent Hill the complete opposite. Obviously a close up or more confined shot from each is going to benefit Silent Hill more. How about shots of the crazy bosses from Gow2, when you fly pegasus around the skies, the giant horse/chariot you play on as a level etc.
Clay Davis
Member
was the condescending start to the post necessary? it just makes a reasonable discussion derail and become something more like I'd expect from a less evolved forum.
I would like to make it clear that there's no corporate shilling or anything else on my part. I just believe the home screen is a vital cog in the machine to promote content. you don't and that's more than reasonable.
I believe the home screen should be used to promote content like new releases and sales. this isn't shilling or any kind, it's wanting the more promotion of content I might want to buy.
real ads are something I want to see gone from the service altogether used in a way that benefits the user through sponsored content. free or at a reduced price, either is acceptable. if mountain dew want to promote their latest drink, they should spend a little extra and sponsor some content or games so we directly benefit from seeing their ad.
If Ninja Gaiden Black didn't come out... I would have been more impressed.
Visually, I can say Silent Hill 3 is up there with Team Ninja's best on more powerful hardware.
Clay Davis
Member
michaelius
Banned
Try looking at the ones that don't have a "black background".
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2fyfaZB5NXI
Can Crusher
Banned
Every design choice has its trade offs.
Is San Andreas more impressive than God of War for having this big ass world to play around in?
Are games like Just Cause 2 or Far Cry 3/Ass Creed/Read Dead Redemption the most impressive games of the gen?
Each studio makes design choices to fit their ideas, and build tech to support those ideas. Unless God of War 2 was on the scale of MGS3, or Silent Hill in the scale of GTA, we'll never know the answer to that.
I know how GoW 2 were baked.IIRC, GoW2 used pre-rendered cutscenes, so it really would be apples to oranges as the cutscenes in SH3 were realtime.
My sarcastic point was as valid as him putting a non in game gif vs a pic. if you are gonna compare at least show same, so your post doesn't reek of bias.
Personally, the starting boss fight in GoW2 was 2nd to none.
iceatcs
Junior Member
I'm running Skyrim on my 1.25GB 570 PC just fine.
I thought it was 3.5GB vs 5GB. 1.5GB advanced for Xbox.
You're wrong. Big time.
Silent Hill 3 aged well. GOW2 didn't.
I'll be damned, I guess I was wrong.
eso76
Member
I'm rather happy with my 5v, completely silent Raspberry Pi.
It's good enough for me
Still, 3 GB for OS doesn't sound realistic.
Full Windows 8 doesn't need half that.
I can maybe understand MS wants a system that can run several apps in background while gaming, but i don't need them and they will probably affect gaming performance anyway (unless not only a part of the ram is reserved for OS, but Cpu cores etc...too).
Personally, for open world that was the most visceral game on my PC, followed by witcher 2 and ARMA.
AuthenticM
Member
What if, on top of having 4GB of GDDR5 RAM, the PS4 also sports a small SSD for cache or virtual memory ? Weren't there rumors to this effect ? If true, how beneficiary would it be for the console ?
Can Crusher
Banned
Well yeah, there's nothing quite like the visual marvel that is fooling around with the free camera mod in Just Cause 2. Witcher 2 looks amazing too, never played Arma.
I'm rather happy with my 5v, completely silent Raspberry Pi.
It's good enough for me
Still, 3 GB for OS doesn't sound realistic.
Full Windows 8 doesn't need half that.
I can maybe understand MS wants a system that can run several apps in background while gaming, but i don't need them and they will probably affect gaming performance anyway (unless not only a part of the ram is reserved for OS, but Cpu cores etc...too).
Off topic, but how does the pi handle 1080p decoding? I was thinking about farting around with one.
Would be good for streaming data, caching closer than the HDD.
With talk about flash memory and hardware decompressors, I think we'll see good improvements in the memory hierarchy for streaming.
yurinka
Member
I'd say that if true here in the 3GB would be included :
-Windows 8 (tweaked for 720)
-Smartglass apps, rendering and streaming
-Kinect 2, that as I think it would be in the X720 box and would be always on (voice commands, voice chat, some gesture to activate something from the OS, etc).
-Not too optimized full multitask (browser, skype for voice chat etc).
They'd reduce the size in the 1st year if the PS4 even if having less available RAM has a noticiable benefit of this.
Ok Junior completely ignore the portions of your post I was commenting on, you will do well here is putting it mildly.
Konami does have a knack for bringing out the best in a system if the right team(s) are behind it.
Sanctuary
Member
Maybe you could point one out that you consider to be something unparalleled. It's not like I'm saying they aren't good, I'm just saying it's not like Konami did something that was impossible for any other developer to do. Square could have done the same thing given the same scenes to work with, so could Capcom.
Time and money (lots of money) to devote to the games is what you're seeing--talent too, but that still requires money. The SH games in particular make liberal use of shadows or simple plain backgrounds for at least half of the screen to shore up the system's limitations. A lot of what I've seen in those cutscenes look good, but much of it's just aesthetics, because so much of them still look decidedly PS2 era. The most impressive thing about the gif is the facial animations. But there's not much else going on.