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Polygon: Xbox One policy "gross, despicable, greedy, pathetic, cowardly"
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Lots of reasons, Sim City is one of the more recent ones.
Rogue_Ledr
Banned
FINALLY!
Its about time we finally got a crusader of our own in the media.
We all need to rally behind this guy and give him all our support.
Its about time we finally got a crusader of our own in the media.
We all need to rally behind this guy and give him all our support.
Their staff? Isn't it just one dude?
Nikodemos
Member
Some of them were really cheap. Powermonger CD edition was $1.5, IIRC, on account of being an extremely old game.
I wasn't okay with it when it first started (I think HL2 was one of the most prominent first games to feature online DRM, then came a lot of others, like Medieval II, Bioshock, etc.) and I'm still not okay with it. I haven't bought a single title directly off Steam. My entire Steam library is composed of games I bought during sales on other sites, and I liked/wanted them strongly enough that I put up with Valve's parasitic client. It was Steam's increasing ubiquity which sank GMG's initially-implemented buyback scheme, and for that I despise them. The appearance of GOG, DotEmu, Gamersgate and other "you buy it, it's yours" providers, along with generally low game prices and aggressively-costed sales (even for DRM-ed games like the ones on Gamefly) are pretty much the only thing which kept me into gaming.
I definitely wouldn't pay money for online. Heck, I'm not paying right now.
Iacobellis
Junior Member
Just Nintendo and Sony getting the positive response, just how I like it.
I'm glad people are finally realizing how greedy Microsoft is.
I'm glad people are finally realizing how greedy Microsoft is.
Rogue_Ledr
Banned
Air Zombie Meat
Member
But I thought it was only entitled gaffers that cared? Good to see. Geese must be pissed.
Dreams-Visions
Member
Yessir, none of these other console manufacuters are greedy. No sir. WiiU didn't come out as dated hardware with a premium price point. PS3 didn't launch at $599. That shit didn't happen. It's all about the consumers!
Yeah, this story isn't going away. BBC, CNN, Forbes, NBC, Time and The Wall Street Journal have all reported on it:
A few things to note:
Edit: The story is currently on the front page of BBC, CNN, Forbes, NBC, Time and The Wall Street Journal.
- 8-4 Play Podcast: "Basically, to summarise what happened: Microsoft took a giant, steaming shit in the collective mouths of anyone who has ever been a fan of their system who had hopes that they were actually not going to fuck this up."
- Adweek: Gamers Grow Increasingly Incensed with Microsoft's Xbox One
- BBC: Xbox One: Microsoft defends pre-owned games rules
- Bloody-Disgusting: Microsoft Answers Our Lingering Questions About The Xbox One
- Blorge: Why gamers hate the Xbox One
- Buzz Focus: Microsoft Xbox One Gives the Silent F-U to Ebay
- CNN: Microsoft talks game-sharing, 'always-on' Xbox One
- Complex: Microsoft Finally Reveals Xbox One Details, It's Mostly All Bad News
- Destructoid: Xbox One kills game ownership, here's what Xbox fans say
- Eurogamer: Microsoft kills game ownership and expects us to smile
- Examiner: Xbox One: What gamers need to know about Microsoft’s used game policies
- Forbes Contributor: Microsoft Confirms Gamers' Fears Over Xbox One
- Forbes Contributor (2): Microsoft's Shortsighted Approach Might Have Already Killed Xbox One
- Forbes Contributor (3): The Xbox One Might Let Sony's PS4 Win By Default
- Gameranx: Xbox One's Privacy Concerns Arise Again In Light Of Microsoft's Involvement With PRISM
- Giant Bomb: The Giant Bomb staff deciphers the digital-rights policies for Microsoft's new console through interpretive dance
- Giant Bomb (2): Major Publishers Silent On Xbox One Used Game Policies
- Kotaku: The Xbox One Just Had A Very Bad Day
- Kotaku (2): When Will Gamers Say Enough Is Enough?
- LazyGamer: Microsoft confirms insane Xbox One DRM
- MCV UK: Indie retailers desperate for Xbox One pre-owned answers
- MCV UK (2): Publishers quiet over Xbox One pre-owned intentions
- Metro UK: Xbox One and the corporate war against consumers
- NBC News: Microsoft clarifies policies on game licensing, privacy, and DRM for Xbox One
- NowGamer: Xbox One: It's For Publishers, Not For You
- PC Magazine: Microsoft Xbox One: No Internet? Big Problem
- Polygon: Xbox One policy is a lovely marriage proposal to big corporations
- Polygon (2): Indie developers sound off on next-gen consoles and the importance of self-publishing
- RedOrbit: You Can Share Your Xbox One Games (Sort Of)
- Shacknews: Publishers comment on Xbox One used games policy
- TechnoBuffalo: Xbox One and Used, Borrowed and Sold Games – The Official Word
- TechnoBuffalo (2): Xbox One: Unless Microsoft Changes Their Policies, I’m Out
- TechRadar: Xbox One 'always online': What does it mean for gamers?
- TechSpot: Xbox One will force gamers to stay online after all
- The Diplomat: Has Microsoft Already Ruined the Xbox One?
- The Guardian: Xbox One requires daily net connection
- The Wall Street Journal: Microsoft’s Xbox One: Owning Your Video Games Is So 1994
- Time: Microsoft’s Xbox One Used Games Policies Are Clear as Mud
- VG247: Xbox One: the record is broken, long live the record
- VG247: Xbox One pre-owned: analysts, publishers, indie retailers weigh-in
- WhatCulture!: Xbox One: 10 Shocking Things You Won’t Believe
A few things to note:
- VG247 have been denied E3 interviews.
- TechnoBuffalo confirmed in their article that they've been also been denied interviews, as have some of their colleagues.
- The list of confirmed outlets denied interviews is Giant Bomb, GI.biz, MCV, Tapezilla, VG247 and TechnoBuffalo. "Scheduling conflict", indeed.
- While the Forbes pieces are from contributors, they're currently the most read articles on the entire site.
Edit: The story is currently on the front page of BBC, CNN, Forbes, NBC, Time and The Wall Street Journal.
Brawly Likes to Brawl
Member
Holy crap, I did not see this coming.
Nikodemos
Member
Today's Microsoft is what you end up with if you mix a generally middling intelligence level with adult-onset ADHD plus a bunch of MBAs obtained at 'parrot farms' where a bevy of numpties repeat the same tired old bs at each other, and put this milkshake of ineptitude at the helm.
The entire thing smells of desperation, that is, it has a whiff like sweaty taint, with the musky undertones of those stale two last droplets that invariably end up in your briefs.
zomgbbqftw
Banned
Well done Polygon.
metalslimer
Member
Well to be fair 599 was the definition of not being greedy. They lost over 200 dollars on every system. That was more arrogance than greed.
NinjaTehFish
Banned
Amazing.
My post was ignorant, my deepest apologies. I was wrong pure and simple.
Glad to see so many publications calling out Microsoft for these draconian policies. This could be the worst E3 ever, especially if Sony follows on some of those policies
Indeed. This will be one long weekend. Praying for some concrete leaks.
metalslimer
Member
Glad to see so many publications calling out Microsoft for these draconian policies. This could be the worst E3 ever, especially if Sony follows on some of those policies
The funny thing is this will probably be the best games E3 in years, but the cloud hanging over the industry at the moment is so dark
Haunted
Member
God, just re-reading their clarifications makes me so angry. Thinking about not even watching the MS conference at this point. I honestly don't even want to engage with these fuckers right now.
Let's not forget that this is (for now) just one company doing this. At the moment, there are still viable alternatives and MS can still fall flat on their face. When Sony follows suit, that's when you can start crying that the sky is falling.
Iacobellis
Junior Member
Wow this is so off base. Have you ever worked in a corporate setting? Have you been to business school?
tamaster92
Member
Glad to see people standing against this.
Just hope Sony doesn't do the same
Just hope Sony doesn't do the same
NullPointer
Member
*rimshot*
Dreams-Visions
Member
True. The greed wasn't the price. The greed, if you will, was the attempt to use the platform as a Trojan Horse vehicle for Blu-Ray to secure a cash cow for a decade. The price was a necessary extension of that overzealous vision, which was a function of Sony being too greedy in general. They lost a lot of market share and mindshare because of that, not to mention Blu-Ray didn't really become the next DVD, as digital became a thing.
That's Mindshare that Microsoft and Nintendo seem desperate to hand right back to Sony, however. lol
Air Zombie Meat
Member
Yup. The xbone spectacle was funny at first but now that the reality has sunk in it's just depressing.
AngelsDontBurn
Banned
Kudos Polygon. I'm shocked.
Haha. No. Wow.
Lots of scheduling conflicts there apparently. I will just assume they forgot Ballmer's numerous appointments at the hairdresser. That must be it!
Pancakes R Us
Member
Oh wow. I'd have never purchase Xbox one either way (most of the games aren't to my taste), but I never expected such resentment towards Microsoft for this.
I know there are lots of angry pieces, posts etc. around the web, but has an 'official' boycott movement been started? By 'official', I mean something like Operation Rainfall to get some games out on Wii. Do it, someone! Make it big. Make YOUR voice be heard.
No, they were beta testing new Scheduler for new MS Office and it went on killing spree
metalslimer
Member
I tried.
I don't think we really need an official boycott as the stuff they've brought to the table thus far is 100% unappetizing. They've shown us that the console is a heavily restricted secondary roku box. Maybe the story will change after monday, but why would anyone who likes video games buy into what Microsoft has shown thus far?
If the Xbone doesn't set the world on fire in the best way possible on Monday, I can't see Don Mattrick having a job on Tuesday.
Sophisticated Gamer (commenter) wrote:
"Sigh .people just dont like change i get it. But this time next year all the pre-release whining will be long forgotten and the Xbox-One will be a mainstay in the majority of living rooms across the world. Why? Simple let us not forget that above all Microsoft makes the most cutting edge gaming hardware (uh, wii-u anyone? lol) and once people experience the jaw-dropping graphics and audio fidelity on games that are ONLY available on Xbox (Halo, Forza, Fantasia, Madden and COD) everything else from the competitors will feel like Sega Genesis quality. Also, the TV integration is a killer. Every household watches TV and being able to control my set with vocal commands or high fidelity motion gesture controls is something straight out of Minority Report. Welcome to the future. Get on or get off."
LMAO
Delusional
SlowRevolution
Member
Damn, TechnoBuffalo got denied interviews too? Normally like their coverage, at least their YouTube stuff.
MS doesn't care about the enthusiast press anymore. We're clearly not their market anymore.
Very interesting that IGN and the ZD media outlets are pretty much staying out of these, and playing "nice" with Publishers. Also very unsettling.
Nikodemos
Member
[Groucho Marx]
Nope. Got a proper education instead.
[/Groucho Marx]
But don't Xbox exclusives eventually get released on PC as well? Were there any that stayed only on the Xbox? People could just wait until those 'exclusives' end up on the PC, where they will very likely be heavily discounted as a result of some sale or other.
I was just about to post this.
IGN showing their true colors.
First they didn't cover the DRM thing, and now they're probably not going to cover this news as well.
Hmmmm.
Some, but not all. Regardless, it's up to the xbox arm of microsoft to make people want to buy those games as quickly as possible for as much as possible, and they are failing in doing so. Sure they can try to recoop costs on the eventual PC rerelease of most of their first person outings, but in order for XBOX and the Microsoft games division to grow, Xbox needs to stay a leader in the games market.
So good job making everyone hate it 6 months before it's released Mattrick. It's not often that you can finger point at a CEO and say "most of this is your fault"...but this time, most of this is his fault. No PR manager in the world could have softened the blow of this news after he opened his fat mouth after the first presser.
Do you know how much those high def players were? I paid nearly $1000 for an HD-DVD player (stupid me!)
$500-600 for an "infinitely-upgradable-through-firmware" blu-ray player which was rated the best blu-ray player on the market around the same time as that $1000 HD-DVD player was on the market was killer!
Unfortunately at $500-600, it wasn't aimed at gamers, it was aimed at entertainment enthusiasts who wanted the best video/audio quality in their movies.
Hmm, a system aimed at entertainment enthusiasts instead of gamers. How did that work out?
WrenchNinja
Member
Wow, good on you Chris Plante and Polygon.
Dreams-Visions
Member
No, most have not.
you'll get no argument from me. that's really my point. they, in their greed tried to step on and over gamers in an attempt to take what they perceived to be the bigger prize. They could have just released a good gaming platform and a follow-up to the PS2 and continued to enjoy market dominance. But they wanted everything, so they lost a lot.
Sola Scriptura
Member
The media response to this fiasco has been fantastic. Glad to see games journalists stepping up and holding feet to the fire.
Nikodemos
Member
Xbone's current direction seems to have been decided at a level higher than Mattrick's. He tends to come across as MS's version of Reggie Fils-Aime in this latest series of bungles. Some people suspect many strategy-related decisions were taken by Ballmer.