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Principate
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(10-11-2017, 03:22 PM)
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Originally Posted by ThoseDeafMutes

So are we more or less expecting Japan to be Switchland for the remainder of the generation?

Well yeah similar to the 3DS in the previous. That's why we were so worried about the switches actual success in the region because the domestic market is deader than dodo without a strong nintnedo handheld these days.

It's simply a cold unrelenting fact.
oti
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(10-11-2017, 03:23 PM)
Imagine someone from Nintendo comparing the revenue generated by Fire Emblem Musou with the revenue of Fire Emblem Heroes.
Zedark
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(10-11-2017, 03:23 PM)
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Originally Posted by BitStyle

That FEW drop...
Did the roster doom the game, or is there a general disinterest in FE spin-offs?

Both, more of the former imo.

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How is the drop for Trails? In line with 1 and 2 in terms of percentage drop?
boiled goose
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(10-11-2017, 03:24 PM)
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Originally Posted by KiNolin

I love how everyone kept saying how ingenious it was to put these games on 3DS' "giant userbase (right)" instead of the Switch.
Saw this one coming a mile away, seems like Metroid isn't setting the charts on fire either (globally).

It's not ingenious. It's just business. 3DS is profitable and they can't make enlightened switches. Might as well sell some 3ds games and hardware.

The last batch of 3ds games have been remakes or updates. Nothing with long development cycled and high costs.

Would metroid and Pokemon be more exciting on Switch? Sure, but also more expensive and Switch is already sold out.

Gotta spread it out.

Originally Posted by TheLegendaryN

Alongside PS4. There's enough (exclusive) games coming to both, and the hardware sales they're currently generating are good.

Alongside PS4 lol

That's like saying 3DS "alongside" Vita. By the end of next year, this thing's a wrap.
Sub Boss
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(10-11-2017, 03:24 PM)
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Dragon's Bomba
Ekid
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(10-11-2017, 03:24 PM)
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I hope starting with Odyssey release Nintendo will be able to ship a respectable number of Switch.

Something like:
Odyssey's week 120k
November 100k/week
December 200k/week
Eolz
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(10-11-2017, 03:25 PM)
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Bad SW week but HW drop not as bad as I thought tbh.
Also, zelda past 600k and mhxxs past 150k.
Laplasakos
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(10-11-2017, 03:25 PM)
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Originally Posted by NintendosBooger

Alongside PS4 lol

That's like saying the 3DS "alongside" Vita. By the end of next year, this thing's a wrap.

Yeah a wrap, just like when some people were predicting a 5m LTD for it...
silpheed-mcd
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(10-11-2017, 03:26 PM)

Originally Posted by BrokenJohnCena

why?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hXar_5soj94




Effect
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(10-11-2017, 03:26 PM)
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Originally Posted by TheLegendaryN

Alongside PS4. There's enough (exclusive) games coming to both, and the hardware sales they're currently generating are good.

There is going to be a point where the sales lines cross over and the Switch starts to pull ahead. I wonder what happens then and if companies will react to that or prepare for when that happens. I don't see the PS4 selling enough to stop that from happening in Japan.
NoMoreTrolls
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(10-11-2017, 03:27 PM)
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Originally Posted by Eolz

Bad SW week but HW drop not as bad as I thought tbh.
Also, zelda past 600k and mhxxs past 150k.

That's not great for an MH title, is it? Genuinely curious.
I understand it's a port of a spinoff, though. What did MHXX 3DS end up at?
Skittzo0413
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(10-11-2017, 03:27 PM)
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Originally Posted by silpheed-mcd

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hXar_5soj94




Just need to edit that gif to put a cap and mustache on the bullet bill.
hiska-kun
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(10-11-2017, 03:27 PM)
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Switch vs 3DS

Code:

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|    |    Nintendo 3DS   |   Nintendo Switch |  Difference  | 
|    |    (2011/02/26)   |    (2017/03/03)   |              | 
|----|---------|---------|---------|---------|--------------| 
|Week|  Weekly |   LTD   |  Weekly |   LTD   |   NSW - 3DS  | 
|----|---------|---------|---------|---------|--------------|
|  30|   58.837|1.835.442|   43.426|1.710.953|      -124.489|
|  31|   70.159|1.905.601|   73.231|1.784.184|      -121.417|
|  32|   58.504|1.964.105|   38.204|1.822.388|      -141.717|
|  33|   53.540|2.017.645|         |         |              |
|  34|   55.025|2.072.670|         |         |              |
|  35|   73.933|2.146.603|         |         |              |
|  36|   65.041|2.211.644|         |         |              |
|  37|  145.271|2.356.915|         |         |              |
|  38|  103.962|2.460.877|         |         |              |
|  39|   96.219|2.557.096|         |         |              |
|  40|  120.920|2.678.016|         |         |              |
|  41|  205.962|2.883.978|         |         |              |
|----|---------|---------|---------|---------|--------------|
PS4 vs PS3

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|    |   PlayStation 3   |   PlayStation 4   |  Difference  | 
|    |    (2006/11/11)   |    (2014/02/22)   |              | 
|----|---------|---------|---------|---------|--------------| 
|Week|  Weekly |   LTD   |  Weekly |   LTD   |   PS4 - PS3  | 
|----|---------|---------|---------|---------|--------------|
| 188|   17.676|5.200.862|   23.814|5.354.809|       153.947|
| 189|   17.175|5.218.037|   29.369|5.384.178|       166.141|
| 190|   19.578|5.237.615|   22.549|5.406.727|       169.112|
| 191|   20.077|5.257.692|         |         |              |
| 192|   18.345|5.276.037|         |         |              |
| 193|   19.473|5.295.510|         |         |              |
| 194|   19.420|5.314.930|         |         |              |
| 195|   45.224|5.360.154|         |         |              |
| 196|   28.630|5.388.784|         |         |              |
| 197|   33.057|5.421.841|         |         |              |
| 198|   29.433|5.451.274|         |         |              |
| 199|   25.053|5.476.327|         |         |              |
|----|---------|---------|---------|---------|--------------|
MK8 DX vs MK8

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|    |   Mario Kart 8    |  Mario Kart 8 DX  |  Difference  | 
|    | [WIU] (2014/05/29)| [NSW] (2017/04/28)|              | 
|----|---------|---------|---------|---------|--------------| 
|Week|  Weekly |   LTD   |  Weekly |   LTD   | MK8DX Ė MK8  | 
|----|---------|---------|---------|---------|--------------|
| 22 |    2.821|  693.208|   11.457|  705.642|        12.434|
| 23 |    3.170|  696.378|   15.098|  720.741|        24.363|
| 24 |    3.210|  699.588|   13.392|  734.133|        34.545|
| 25 |   13.544|  713.132|         |         |              |
| 26 |    8.752|  721.884|         |         |              |
| 27 |   12.742|  734.626|         |         |              |
| 28 |   19.244|  753.870|         |         |              |
| 29 |   24.938|  778.808|         |         |              |
| 30 |   34.331|  813.139|         |         |              |
| 31 |   38.637|  851.776|         |         |              |
| 32 |   28.403|  880.180|         |         |              |
| 33 |    8.884|  889.064|         |         |              |
|----|---------|---------|---------|---------|--------------|
Strings
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(10-11-2017, 03:28 PM)
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Originally Posted by Orgen

Grim debut from Mario&Luigi... my god

Not exactly fair comparing a 3DS launch to a Wii U one... But it managed to beat Colour Splash's debut at the very least :P
Chris1964
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(10-11-2017, 03:29 PM)

Originally Posted by Orgen

Grim debut from Mario&Luigi... my god

You didn't want to believe it but this quarter just began for 3DS and PS4.
Zedark
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(10-11-2017, 03:29 PM)
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Originally Posted by Effect

There is going to be a point where the sales lines cross over and the Switch starts to pull ahead. I wonder what happens then and if companies will react to that or prepare for when that happens. I don't see the PS4 selling enough to stop that from happening in Japan.

That's putting it lightly. Switch will almost certainly pass PS4 before the end of 2018. After that, it will likely sell 2-3 times LTD of PS4.
Neoxon
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(10-11-2017, 03:29 PM)
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Iím kinda surprised by the FE Warriors drop, but ARMS creeping back up is good to see.
Principate
Saint Titanfall
(10-11-2017, 03:30 PM)
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Originally Posted by Effect

There is going to be a point where the sales lines cross over and the Switch starts to pull ahead. I wonder what happens then and if companies will react to that or prepare for when that happens. I don't see the PS4 selling enough to stop that from happening in Japan.

This is common sense, I mean even in the worst case scenarios this was likely to happen and i'm pretty sure Japanese companies/analysts, anyone paying attention to medium expected as such. PS4 was always going to sell between 5-10 million. You didn't need a crystal ball for that. Nintendo's next handheld/hybrid cratering to such a degree to be below that level was an absolute worst case scenario for the company.
James Scott
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(10-11-2017, 03:30 PM)

Originally Posted by boiled goose

It's not ingenious. It's just business. 3DS is profitable and they can't make enlightened switches. Might as well sell some 3ds games and hardware.

The last batch of 3ds games have been remakes or updates. Nothing with long development cycled and high costs.

Would metroid and Pokemon be more exciting on Switch? Sure, but also more expensive and Switch is already sold out.

Gotta spread it out.

I donít think many were calling for Nintendo to cancel 3DS software outright, but I donít see a simultaneous release being too much to ask for.
Samus Returns wouldíve probably done super well on a slower release month on Switch.
They even did it with FEW on New 3DS
Diprosalic
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(10-11-2017, 03:30 PM)
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is japan big on 3d marios? i don't remember.
Emhemed
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(10-11-2017, 03:30 PM)
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Originally Posted by silpheed-mcd

02./04. [NSW] Splatoon 2 # <ACT> (Nintendo) {2017.07.21} (•5.980) - 22.338 / 1.212.901 (-25%)
03./07. [NSW] Mario Kart 8 Deluxe <RCE> (Nintendo) {2017.04.28} (•5.980) - 13.392 / 734.133 (-11%)
11./11. [NSW] The Legend of Zelda: Breath of the Wild # <ADV> (Nintendo) {2017.03.03} (•6.980) - 6.196 / 604.865 (-19%)

Immortal games...

Tbh Splatoon 2 & MK8 don't surprise me for having legs, it's Zelda that has really impressed. I can't remember a single story campaign game (full 3d) showing steady sales on a weekly basis in a long time. Well done BOTW!
Oregano
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(10-11-2017, 03:31 PM)
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Originally Posted by Laplasakos

Yeah a wrap, just like when some people were predicting a 5m LTD for it...

Are you suggesting that PS4 and Switch sales are going to end their lives in similar places?

5m would be closer to a single year's sales for Switch.
marc^o^
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(10-11-2017, 03:31 PM)
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Originally Posted by Emhemed

Tbh Splatoon 2 & MK8 don't surprise me for having legs, it's Zelda that has really impressed. I can't remember a single story campaign game (full 3d) showing steady sales on a weekly basis in a long time. Well done BOTW!

If it keeps selling like that for a year, it will reach a million (Wii U sales included).
nubbe
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(10-11-2017, 03:32 PM)
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Fire Emblem bomba

The 15 minutes are up
MTC100
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(10-11-2017, 03:33 PM)
Bad week, Switch still not getting enough units out there I guess.

Won't bump up until Mario Odyssey.
Laplasakos
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(10-11-2017, 03:33 PM)
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Originally Posted by Principate

This is common sense, I mean even in the worst case scenarios this was likely to happen and i'm pretty sure Japanese companies expect as such. Ps4 was always going to sell between 5-10 million. You didn't need a crystal ball for that. Nintendo's next handheld/hybrid cratering to such a degree to be below that level was an absolute worst case scenario for the company.

5-10m is a pretty huge gap.

With japanese companies looking to expand their sales in Asia and west where the Playstation brand is stronger i doubt we will see any big changes.
James Scott
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(10-11-2017, 03:33 PM)

Originally Posted by NoMoreTrolls

That's not great for an MH title, is it? Genuinely curious.
I understand it's a port of a spinoff, though. What did MHXX 3DS end up at?

Itís a late port of an expansion to a spin-off with no added content to the original 3DS release which Capcom said they werenít localizing.

I think Capcom was expecting 300k for their Switch titles so Iím not sure how good that number is.
MTC100
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(10-11-2017, 03:35 PM)

Originally Posted by Emhemed

Tbh Splatoon 2 & MK8 don't surprise me for having legs, it's Zelda that has really impressed. I can't remember a single story campaign game (full 3d) showing steady sales on a weekly basis in a long time. Well done BOTW!

To be fair, BotW is a once in a generation game, so that was at least expected. It still won't touch a Dragonquest or Pokemon in terms of sales though.
Principate
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(10-11-2017, 03:35 PM)
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Originally Posted by Laplasakos

5-10m is a pretty huge gap.

With japanese companies looking to expand their sales in Asia and west where the Playstation brand is stronger i doubt we will see any big changes.

It's a 5 mill gap most successful consoles/handhelds sell in the 20+ range. Who said anything about that, that's obvious, we're talking about domestic sales here.
frankie_baby
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(10-11-2017, 03:35 PM)

Originally Posted by James Scott

Itís a late port of an expansion to a spin-off with no added content to the original 3DS release which Capcom said they werenít localizing.

I think Capcom was expecting 300k for their Switch titles so Iím not sure how good that number is.

It seems to be selling stedily, i can see it approaching 300k when its all said and done
Laplasakos
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(10-11-2017, 03:35 PM)
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Originally Posted by Oregano

Are you suggesting that PS4 and Switch sales are going to end their lives in similar places?

5m would be closer to a single year's sales for Switch.

Where in the world did you got that from what i said?

I just don't think there is any chance to see PS4 ending it's life next year in Japan.
Neoxon
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(10-11-2017, 03:36 PM)
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Originally Posted by nubbe

Fire Emblem bomba

The 15 minutes are up

For Fire Emblem as a whole or just Warriors?
BrokenJohnCena
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(10-11-2017, 03:36 PM)
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Originally Posted by MTC100

To be fair, BotW is a once in a generation game, so that was at least expected. It still won't touch a Dragonquest or Pokemon in terms of sales though.

I think it has a slight chance to touch the ps4 version LTD sales

Originally Posted by silpheed-mcd

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hXar_5soj94




..............
silpheed-mcd
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(10-11-2017, 03:36 PM)

Originally Posted by Diprosalic

is japan big on 3d marios? i don't remember.

MARIO 3D


Super mario 3d world wii u:

First week (famitsu): 106.967
LTD: 613.693
Wii U games rank: 7th

Super mario 3d land 3ds:
First week: 344.698
LTD: 2.111.490
3DS games rank: 16th

Super mario galaxy 2 wii:
First week: 337.569
LTD: 1.046.696
Wii games rank: 13th

Super mario galaxy wii:
First week: 256.341
LTD: 1.025.664
Wii games rank: 14th

Super mario sunshine gc:
First week: 280.610
LTD: 789.989
GC games rank: 4th

Super mario 64 n64:
First week: 162.111
LTD: 1.646.558
N64 games rank: 2nd

Best first week: Super mario 3d land 3ds
Best LTD: Super mario 3d land 3ds
massoluk
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(10-11-2017, 03:37 PM)
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Originally Posted by Diprosalic

is japan big on 3d marios? i don't remember.

A whole new world, it's big on handheld Mario at least. This should be fun.
Chris1964
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(10-11-2017, 03:37 PM)

Originally Posted by MTC100

To be fair, BotW is a once in a generation game, so that was at least expected. It still won't touch a Dragonquest or Pokemon in terms of sales though.

Revisionist history for everything Switch related and "was expected" doesn't mean it's true.
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(10-11-2017, 03:38 PM)
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Originally Posted by silpheed-mcd

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hXar_5soj94

I wonder why they showcase the PAL-A version of the games in an american commercial. Or is that the UK and/or australian version of the commercial?
noshten
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(10-11-2017, 03:38 PM)
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Originally Posted by Chris1964

Nintendo has left 3DS at auto pilot since long time ago, I doubt they have high expectations for games with so low investment from them.

Yeah 3DS is actually doing better than I expected this year due to DQXI, MHXX and new 2DS revision. Still it will definitely get over 1.5 million by the end of the year, so the decline will be far less pronounced than I expected at the start of the year. It will be down YoY no doubt but not going to be a huge decline like I expected. With Pokemon still to release it's likely going to end up north of 1.6 million for the year. Next year thought I'd be absolutely amazed if 3DS managed to sell more than half that.
With the Switch doing as well as it has, I still expect it to clear 4 million sales this year.
Nintendo is no doubt going to be happy with around 5.6 million hw sold in Japan. It would be their best year since 2013 in terms of hardware sold. The Switch also has a lot going for it:

- Greater sw sales than 3DS launch year.
- No price cut required to keep up with 3DS launch aligned.
- More accessories than any device since the Wii(JoyCons, Grips, ProControllers, Amiibos, Carrying Cases etc)
- Huge online game like Splatoon 2 which will drive subs for their online service next year
- Far greater share of digital sales than any previous Nintendo Platform(this one isn't confirmed yet, but I think signs are pointing towards it)
James Scott
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(10-11-2017, 03:38 PM)

Originally Posted by Diprosalic

is japan big on 3d marios? i don't remember.

Itís been awhile since any of its kind (sandbox) have released.
The last one was the DS remake?
(Anyone have numbers for this one?)

Japan really liked 3D Land, tho.
Gotdatmoney
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(10-11-2017, 03:39 PM)

Originally Posted by MTC100

To be fair, BotW is a once in a generation game, so that was at least expected. It still won't touch a Dragonquest or Pokemon in terms of sales though.

Zelds hasn't sold a million units in 2 decades. It definitely was not expected
Heartskips
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(10-11-2017, 03:40 PM)
Bad week in general, but anyone blaming the roster for FEW is crazy. The japanese market is just oversaturated with Musou games and this is a Fire Emblem spinoff focusing on a console with just a bit more than 1M users. It's not like adding Leif would set the charts on fire.
KiNolin
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(10-11-2017, 03:42 PM)
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Originally Posted by boiled goose

It's not ingenious. It's just business. 3DS is profitable and they can't make enlightened switches. Might as well sell some 3ds games and hardware.

The last batch of 3ds games have been remakes or updates. Nothing with long development cycled and high costs.

Would metroid and Pokemon be more exciting on Switch? Sure, but also more expensive and Switch is already sold out.

Gotta spread it out.

Bad business, since they *don't* seem to be (able to) selling games. 20k for Mario RPGs is next to nothing. Might as well not exist. Proper business would have been cross gen.
Principate
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(10-11-2017, 03:42 PM)
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Originally Posted by Gotdatmoney

Zelds hasn't sold a million units in 2 decades. It definitely was not expected

BOTW is a OoT tier Zelda game in terms of relative domestic and and worldwide popularity. Very few could have predicted it actually being so nut it's impact is unquestionable at this point.
Oregano
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(10-11-2017, 03:42 PM)
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Originally Posted by Laplasakos

Where in the world did you got that from what i said?

I just don't think there is any chance to see PS4 ending it's life next year in Japan.

I don't think anyone implied that.
MTC100
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(10-11-2017, 03:43 PM)

Originally Posted by BrokenJohnCena

I think it has a slight chance to touch the ps4 version LTD sales

It will definitely have longer legs, that's for sure but the sales combined seem to be completely out of reach.

It's not like DQ would have sold less if it was only released on the 3DS, it would have likely sold the same amount or a bit less perhaps then.
frankie_baby
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(10-11-2017, 03:43 PM)

Originally Posted by test_account

I wonder why they showcase the PAL-A version of the games in an american commercial. Or is that the UK and/or australian version of the commercial?

We had that ad for mario 3 in the uk
Raysoul
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(10-11-2017, 03:43 PM)
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ARMS sold better than MARVEL
frankie_baby
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(10-11-2017, 03:44 PM)

Originally Posted by Raysoul

ARMS sold better than MARVEL

Arms has probably sold more in Japan than marvel has worldwide
Laplasakos
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(10-11-2017, 03:45 PM)
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Originally Posted by Principate

It's a 5 mill gap most successful consoles/handhelds sell in the 20+ range. Who said anything about that, that's obvious, we're talking about domestic sales here.

I don't agree that a successful system in Japan is only when it sells 20m.

Also what i said about western/asia expand is relevant with the domestic sales, considering that they seem more than fine with these PS4 software/hardware sales. Otherwise we would have seen more multiplatform announcements. Of course i could be wrong, so let's wait and see.

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