Really? Because it seems the PS3/360 have no problems with Frostbite. Then you have a console which is more powerful and apparently the engine cannot run well. Strange that cryengine appears to run very well on it, even a quick rush job on Unreal 3 ran okay. Oh and criterion's engine runs very very nice. So obviously somethings not quite right.
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Frostbite Technical Director on why Frostbite never came to Wii U
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Really? Because it seems the PS3/360 have no problems with Frostbite. Then you have a console which is more powerful and apparently the engine cannot run well. Strange that cryengine appears to run very well on it, even a quick rush job on Unreal 3 ran okay. Oh and criterion's engine runs very very nice. So obviously somethings not quite right.
JordanN
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I think I saw a bit of it in this thread which was only a few weeks ago (although the wording is sort of skewed. I never argued it was always it, but it did play a role in missing out games/support).
Rm88~ said:
In short, Gamecube/N64 got games the future consoles (Wii/Wii U) didn't because of hardware.
Either way it was a release from EA this year for the WiiU.
I can't blame em for not bringing some titles like Madden tho given how it sold. And this is not an EA exclusive approach to the wiiu either. Once the software sales pick up games like Madden will re-appear on the console
Now I'm not a tech savvy person either but I'm pretty sure PS4 is much much more powerful overall compared to the wiiu. Not a single dev have complained about the system having a bottleneck or any weakness in general so far. So I don't think it makes sense to think those systems will have a problem with the next BF. Heck if the rumors are true they will perform much better than the current gen (e.g. a higher count of people in a map in the MP)
I am not sure who told about the WiiU NFS was supposed to come last year but even if true I can't fault them for taking a bit more time to release given some of the initial sales for SW. This is pretty much what Ubi did with Rayman too and they are the biggest supporter for the system
Starfish Hero
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"Beautifully", apparently.
Umm, tests not being promising doesn't mean it couldn't run at all, it just means "fuck this bullshit, platform aint worth it". The tweet was salty fanboy tears and nothing more.
Even if the engine runs like shit on PS360 they won't have any choice because of the large install bases.
I was being a bit facetious but If DICE gave up on the system some time in the early dev kit stages it's possible they have quite a different view regarding EDRAM, clock speeds etc than what's available now.
Yep. If we are to believe the Shadow of the Eternals guys, it has absolutely no problems running CryEngine 3.
His point was the hardware was not next gen enough to run it. That was proven bullshit in the face of the PS360 getting a version of the engine. If EA gave a shit, it would run just fine on it.
This is a money issue.
How doesn't it? Guy from DICE is being civil and taking the time to answer questions, dude responds with shitty whiny sarcasm. Very butthurt. Very salty.
This is sarcasm, right? WiiU barely qualifies as next gen, its tech is on par with PS360, which is a step up from the Wii for sure, but not even in the same zip code as PS4 / Durango.
Nightstick11
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Western console developer is lazy, news at 10.
Case in point. Specs is a bullshit excuse, always was.
jacksepticeye
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Lol fucking owned on the last tweet. Like he just dropped the mic and left
Western dev doesn't want to spend money on converting an engine to a system that is setting new record lows for monthly sales. Sounds reasonable to me.
shinra-bansho
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What exactly does it's a "money issue" mean. Everything in a business ultimately comes to being a money issue.
Is this EA-Nintendo nonsense going to be a constant thing over the generation, when Bethesda and Take-Two don't make games for the Wii U and, probably even Ubisoft and Warner after their games tank, stop porting things to the Wii U?
Mihael Mello Keehl
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I guess but what will or is the new shadow of eternals running on???
Sentenza
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Hilariously bitter.
They're bringing the engine over to the PS4 and nextbox which will have a smaller install base than the Wii U. Specs still play a part in this, because of the Wii U's current gen level hardware EA don't see the Wii U as part of their future.
Dat last tweet.
where is this from?
If I might make an observation, CryEngine 3 is from an independent developer that needs their engine running on any kind of hardware for licensing purposes to help stay afloat. DICE is not in the same situation, as they're owned outright by EA, so there's far less need for them to make Frostbite Wii U compatible.
I don't think it's a matter of the engine being completely unworkable for the Wii U; I just don't think EA sees any money in the Wii U to make enough of an effort to get it running on there. Obviously, this is a huge problem since the majority of EA's games will be running on Frostbite at some point, but that's just what it is.
you have to be pretty salty to start assuming the meanings of that tweet.
Note carefully that the nature of the tests and how they determined the promising nature were not disclosed. You seem to be assuming it means that he's saying "THERE WAS NO WAY WE COULD GET FB2 OR 3 ON THE WIIU, IT SO BADZ" but it seems to me like you're only making that assumption because it is the easiest meaning for you to attack.
Starfish Hero
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...with obvious bullshit. Of course he's going to get a snarky reply, few are buying that Frostbite 2 couldn't run on Wii U in the face of the Eternals 2 demo, and the fact that PS360 could run it fine. It's pretty taboo in this industry to just straight up say "it's not worth the effort", but that doesn't mean we have to take every excuse thrown at us.
To quote someone else:
I'm just pointing out that the hardware talk is absolute rubbish, that's all.
how could you
I say what I have to say in EA's world.
CambriaRising
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He didn't say that FB2 couldn't run on the Wii U.
GetemMa
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Dat last tweet.
LOL.
Mihael Mello Keehl
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This is exactly what it is
Frostbite is really CPU heavy, and very well parallelized.
PS4/720 CPUs don't stack up well against a modern PC CPU, but they are still anywhere from 4 to 8 times faster than Wii U's CPU depending on what metric you look at.
the variables are not independent. don't act dumb and pretend like they are.
funkystudent
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I cant wait to hear what went down between EA and Nintendo. Might take a few years for it to come out but I am sure it will
This is extremely likely the exact situation. Not because of any cpu/gpu concerns.
The Wii U is certainly far weaker than ps4/durango but if EA thought there was money to be made there, Dice would be running FB3 on it. They are willing to put money into the other new platforms to cultivate the userbase, but not on Wii U because they don't see any return in the future.
We can speculate all day whether Disney would change their mind, because of how well Star Wars-licensed games have sold on Nintendo platforms. But EA themselves have little interest in the platform.
I see...
I think though it won't get better until Nintendo and EA fix each other's relationship, maybe Nintendo should put on there big boy pants and do what EA asks.
They won't say anything, they will both lie and say "there is nothing wrong between us
"The Abominable Snowman
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A lot of people are discounting the PS4 and Infinity for their weak CPUs, but the CPU part is not separate from the GPU. You're looking at APUs, and the CUs should be factored into the computational power. Its far more of an integrated and thought out design than what's present in any currently released platform.
Starfish Hero
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You know what I meant. It ran on it, but not enough to their standards. Though it ran well enough on the PS360 for retail release? Come on now.
grimshawish
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I think it'll take decades for the full story. We'll need stuff from execs at EA and Nintendo to talk until we can piece together the entire story.
How many games are CPU limited now a days? Match with a 7850 i dont see the cpu being the limiting factor at all...
Well he could have just come out and said the WiiU is selling like an absolute JOKE but then even more people would have bitched about that. Dunno what you want to hear, the specs are weak, the architecture is different, which would mean they'd have to devote a ton of money getting the engine up and running on a system that nobody bought.
You don't need to have an MBA to know that's not smart business.
Perfect. That's exactly what I suspect, but I could never be as eloquent.
Brad Grenz
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It would be best not to plumb the depths that is the hardware delusions of WiiU Acolytes. That way lies madness.
of course he's going to get a snarky reply, the internet is full of people who are living examples of the dunning-kruger effect.
Starfish Hero
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I'm saying his excuse is bull, not that what he did was wrong.
Okay I'm lost: what the fuck does this have to do with anything?
digoutyoursoul
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Does this go for other third parties not bringing their titles to Wii U also ?
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