uuuughhhhhhh
And people sometimes say with a straight face that there wasn't that much of a difference between Diablo 2's story and atmosphere with Diablo 3's
I can't think of a more drastic difference between game sequels.
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What creator/writer ruined the lore of their property overtime the most?
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uuuughhhhhhh
And people sometimes say with a straight face that there wasn't that much of a difference between Diablo 2's story and atmosphere with Diablo 3's
I can't think of a more drastic difference between game sequels.
Ren & Stimpy were always shit, the guy is a genius animator, but R&S was always bad, stupid gross out humor and i remember being the only cartoon i ever felt like "wow, i have outgrown this".
Uzumaki Goku
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I don't even understand what's happening here....
Jojo has the best lore, let Araki do his thing.
I'm sure there are more examples than this one, but there's Yoshihiro Togashi, creator of YuYu Hakusho and Hunter X Hunter.
This is what Kojima has over other media. The final twist was the most unnecessary thing in the world, but at least MGSV plays well. Oh well, he can't do any more damage to Metal Gear now even if he wanted to.
That's a good one too. I'd say as preface that while I liked some Doctor Who, overall I wasn't a big fan. But I'd rank Series 5 of Doctor Who as some of the best overall seasons of television ever, its only major fault being that it has one weak two-parter you have to watch for the overall arc.
But man, the series following started getting more and more inconsistent, and overusing the Weeping Angels is probably the most obvious answer.
hey i think the rebooted jojo lore is great, steel ball run (or was it technically stone ocean? idk) turned everything into a madhouse but it's jojo so why not
RacketLawnchair
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And, along with it, any hope for a proper WarCraft III sequel. Unless they reboot the story where it has been left off at the end of TFT, I just don't see how it could be done.
Sgt. Kabukiman
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I was about to mention him.
And Doctor Slump was also quite popular before Toriyama moved on to Dragonball.
Imperfected
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I can kind of see his point, actually. As much as I love and even prefer some of the later chapters (Steel Ball Run is my favorite), the underlying lore does get pretty fucking dumb, even as the overall quality of writing improves.
As a narrative, JoJo is great. As a "world" it's an irreconcilable mess.
Fine Ham Abounds
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Simpsons and basically everything Blizzard spring to mind
I've grown to love D3 thanks to its mechanics and feel, but fuck me if it isn't the worse storyline. I've ever experienced in a game. And I've been gaming since I had a Spectrum 48k. I have no idea how such an insanely, terribly, shitty storyline and characterization ever got through even the barest of glances.
Every single line uttered in the game is absolute garbage crap.
waveuponwave
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I wouldn't say ruined as the later books are a still mostly solid, but Stephen King inserting himself into the Dark Tower series was pretty cringeworthy.
There's a place for metafiction and 'author meets his own characters' stuff, but it's not in a science-fiction/fantasy series with an established world that's been decades in the making
There's a place for metafiction and 'author meets his own characters' stuff, but it's not in a science-fiction/fantasy series with an established world that's been decades in the making
X Files is a fantastic answer, I remember the episode Jose Chung's From Outer Space was what absolutely killed the show for me.
When you make a whacked out parody episode that is WAY better than what you've been putting out for 2 seasons, you know you done fucked up your show. Every single season finale was just blue balls or "man this huge conspiracy is so crazy, too bad we weren't able to get a single goddamn piece of evidence... YET AGAIN"
When you make a whacked out parody episode that is WAY better than what you've been putting out for 2 seasons, you know you done fucked up your show. Every single season finale was just blue balls or "man this huge conspiracy is so crazy, too bad we weren't able to get a single goddamn piece of evidence... YET AGAIN"
Subpar Spatula
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I agree with OP that it's Chris Metzen. This guy had his hands in all their properties and he fucked them all up.
Thanks. I am not huge into Manga, but I get the impression that Japanese creators are more likely to try and make a career out of a single successful IP than their western counterparts are. This sort of locks you into messing with your own lore when you get 10-15 years deep. Especially for the projects following more standard Shonen tropes.
Nah. It's still good. Batshit crazy, but enjoyable.
I'm pretty sure I already know the answer to this, but I'm curious where you think it started to go wrong.
And as for the topic at hand, it's hard to not say Simpsons, seeing as how it's become an undead monstrosity.
Imperfected
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It's kind of telling that during the tale-end of his time at Blizzard the teams all conspicuously started to work on properties that have largely "implied" narratives with extremely limited dialogue (Overwatch, Hearthstone, HotS).
"No, uh... no Chris, really, we don't need you for anything. Just a silly card game over here, no story to worry about. You... you just keep working on your own projects, don't mind us."
Unless you think most animes are science fiction than not.
It is not science fiction to explain stuff without science.
The powers from Saint Seiya are MORE sci fi because "you have to concentrate your chi to reach the 7th sense and unleash blasts from your fists" and the 5 senses are closer to science.
You use midchlorians so you can trow lightning from your hand is exactly that.
"alchemy requires trading one thing to another", "concentrate your spiritual energy in your finger", " The Force is what gives a Jedi his power. It's an energy field created by all living things. It surrounds us and penetrates us. It binds the galaxy together."
The chi allow you to use the force or you use chi to measure the force.
Still mystical shit
Kingpin Rogers
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Akira Toriyama?
It's funny how I have a completely different impression, with comic books like Superman, Spider-man, Batman and whatnot running for over half a century. But I guess the people that have actually worked on those properties over the decades don't really own them, so it's not an accurate comparison.
Speaking of, if you really want to talk about constantly fucked up lore, just pick up a random serialized comic book, lol.
Who's giving him a pass? People started joking about the lore back in 07 when TBC released (I still have a paladin named Lorelol) thanks to the fuckery with the space goats and crack elves. I think WOTLK lore was mostly well received, but then in 2010 they had the double punch of Cataclysm and SC2.
Voidwolf
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Holy hell, what are the chances I'm about to finish season 7 tonight and move on to the final one and I run into this. Haha, so random. Doesn't look like the kid dies though so I'll just try not to think about this.
one piece
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Waddle Dee
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Not going to bother with "the worst" since I don't care enough for any properties that have creators that bent on ruining them, but I'll name some video game related ones.
- Hideo Kojima and Metal Gear: Everything was more or less fine with MGS1-3 but 4 is where he really started dropping the ball and it was clear he didn't have the same passion for it he once had. 4 was full of ridiculous moments that belong in garbage fanfiction and with 5, he clearly didn't want to make a Metal Gear game.
- Inafune and various Capcom IPs: Inafune is not actually the creator of any of these but he was largely responsible for the way Capcom tried to "Americanize" some of their brands. Mainly with DMC. The only success story he had last gen was Dead Rising. Not being content, he decided to also make mockery of the Mega Man franchise he claims he created with the whole MN9 debacle.
- Miyamoto and the Mario brand: I know many of you will disagree with me but I feel like Miyamoto's vision of what he wants the Mario series to be has held it back in some ways. It's no secret that he was against Intelligent Systems trying to tell unique stories in the Paper Mario games and the franchise as a whole became much more safe during the Wii U's lifetime. Generic grass/desert/snow backgrounds were recycled for all of the games, Bowser was the only one allowed to be the main villain, gameplay in 3D Mario games regressed to playing more like the 2D games. It's good that with the upcoming Mario Odyssey, Nintendo seems willing to take chances again. Maybe they locked Miyamoto in the staff closet during Odyssey's brainstorming sessions.
- Hideo Kojima and Metal Gear: Everything was more or less fine with MGS1-3 but 4 is where he really started dropping the ball and it was clear he didn't have the same passion for it he once had. 4 was full of ridiculous moments that belong in garbage fanfiction and with 5, he clearly didn't want to make a Metal Gear game.
- Inafune and various Capcom IPs: Inafune is not actually the creator of any of these but he was largely responsible for the way Capcom tried to "Americanize" some of their brands. Mainly with DMC. The only success story he had last gen was Dead Rising. Not being content, he decided to also make mockery of the Mega Man franchise he claims he created with the whole MN9 debacle.
- Miyamoto and the Mario brand: I know many of you will disagree with me but I feel like Miyamoto's vision of what he wants the Mario series to be has held it back in some ways. It's no secret that he was against Intelligent Systems trying to tell unique stories in the Paper Mario games and the franchise as a whole became much more safe during the Wii U's lifetime. Generic grass/desert/snow backgrounds were recycled for all of the games, Bowser was the only one allowed to be the main villain, gameplay in 3D Mario games regressed to playing more like the 2D games. It's good that with the upcoming Mario Odyssey, Nintendo seems willing to take chances again. Maybe they locked Miyamoto in the staff closet during Odyssey's brainstorming sessions.
Akira strengths are all about going along on the ride with him and he held you in the moment fantastically and as twists and turns and surprises, he delivered. He was largely making it up as he went along week by week. And he was very good at that.
But overall continuity, keeping up with various characters, and story cohesion were NOT his strong-points.
Frankly, it's bizarre.
DrForester
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I think the Queen worked as a singular avatar representing the collective. I saw her as no different than Locutus. She was the face of the Borg.
But then she became their actual leader, separate from them.
Coriolanus
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they legit copypasted WoW lore into diablo? Oh lord hahaha
DiipuSurotu
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Stargate
Trojita
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elrechazado
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A blood test that determines a level of sybiotic organisms that determine or reflect or cause special powers is literally science fiction.
Another thing that hugely irked me about Bleach was how Ichigo managed to be connected to each of the special race/abilities seen throughout the manga: Shinigami, Hollow, Fullbring, and even a fucking Quincy lol
If there's a convenient ability out there, Ichigo is able to access it, because reasons.
Oh jesus, I peeped the manga, what the hell even happened there. Wasn't Obama even involved somehow lmao
If there's a convenient ability out there, Ichigo is able to access it, because reasons.
Oh jesus, I peeped the manga, what the hell even happened there. Wasn't Obama even involved somehow lmao
araki seriously just changes storylines randomly from month to month based on what movies he saw recently
steel ball run had such whiplash, but it doesnt matter because it is awesome, and thats just how it goes
Yeah, this is pretty significant for only two films.
I'm sure there's worse but this is what I think of.
Kojima in MGS4
turning the whole backstory to the Metal Gear series into a protracted cold war between Big Boss and Zero that we had never really been witness to in any way or form right before the great finale of the series (as it was at the time) rubbed me off the wrong way. Nowhere earlier (but in PO) had there been any hints at this being the case (please don't bring up MGS3, that's just dumb) and it reduced the entire world of the game to a handful of odd people, nobodies really, from different militaries who stumbled across a massive stash of money from the times of the Great War and who now were fighting each other because they once had a drunken philosophical debate about the last words of a dead comrade that they weren't able to settle any other way but doing the only thing they knew to do. Except now with a gazillion billion dollars.
Long gone for a few MGS were the very Japanese, movie-like, melodramatic struggles of a bunch of relatively ordinary grizzled vets with limited information putting in the hours overnight to stop a nuclear catastrophe for a stereotypical semi-corrupt and shadowy executive with highly irregular secret dealings and a bigger stake than immediately apparent in the matter, all set in a relatively grounded post-Cold War international context.
Never go full anime.
Long gone for a few MGS were the very Japanese, movie-like, melodramatic struggles of a bunch of relatively ordinary grizzled vets with limited information putting in the hours overnight to stop a nuclear catastrophe for a stereotypical semi-corrupt and shadowy executive with highly irregular secret dealings and a bigger stake than immediately apparent in the matter, all set in a relatively grounded post-Cold War international context.
Never go full anime.
Imperfected
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The really terrible part of that was that the author had all of these other neglected characters he could use for those stories (Sado as a Fullbringer, Ishida as a Quincy, etc.), so he could have told basically the same stories just with a different main character for each major arc and had something a little more JoJo-like instead.
Sheriff_Battlesnake
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Dark Souls for me. It was subtraction by addition.
don't get me wrong, I keep eating, but I no longer feel full.
don't get me wrong, I keep eating, but I no longer feel full.
Yea, he really knew how to neglect the supporting cast. What made it even more egregious was the fact that there were so many characters to deal with too after the Soul Society arc concluded.
I shouldn't say all Blizzard fans, but when he retired I saw an absolute ton of posts talking about how much he'll be missed and how important he was, etc. His newfound power in 06 or whenever was the worst thing that's ever happened to the company.
Version 3.0
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No mention of Metroid: Other M? I mean, that piece of crap literally shrunk Samus by at least a full foot, and that was the least of its offenses.
Thumbs down.
Thumbs down.