We just hope it's the beginning of the end of evangelical support but it seems like nothing he's done thus far has eroded much of that support. Okay, that really won't happen. We hope it will affect low information voters. People not really paying attention. It's a big, flashy thing.
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WAPO: Manafort offered to give Russians private briefings on 2016 campaign
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We just hope it's the beginning of the end of evangelical support but it seems like nothing he's done thus far has eroded much of that support. Okay, that really won't happen. We hope it will affect low information voters. People not really paying attention. It's a big, flashy thing.
Lightning_Roller
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Schneiderman
Schneiderman
Throws indicments like a Schneider can!!!
Can he convict? Complete a case?
Yes he can, he's Schneiderman!
Look out, here comes the Schineiderman!!
Vegetable Lasagna
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It already has.
Obviously theres been discussion of Paul Manafort who played a very limited role for a very limited amount of time, Spicer said.
That's a Spicer quote from months ago.
There was a really good blog post about leaks recently which I can't find right now, but there were three major points to consider: reporters do their best to be as precise and honest as possible in their attributions, they won't attribute thought processes (such as "so and so believes") that they can't verify, and prosecutors face major civil and criminal penalties for leaking their investigations, while defense lawyers (and Congressional investigators) do not.
Note this:
wapo said:
"Investigators" could mean Congress or Mueller. They quote what "investigators" believe and what people close to Manafort believe, but they only describe what Mueller's team SAYS.
I read this as having two main sources -- some number of people working on the Congressional investigation, and some number of people on Manafort's defense team.
Master Yoshi
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This is probably right. I'll be honest and admit I don't have a whole lot of experience with legal reporting like this.
Actually, in that case there could be a third source there. The "people familiar with the discussions." If that were the investigators I assume they'd be sourced as such.
I think he still lives at Trump Tower.
He's actually had a room at Trump Tower since 06.
Amazing
Good thing he's working with a blue AG. I can only imagine the shitshow if he had to try and work with a Republican AG on state charges.
ArkhamFantasy
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This is probably a dumb question, but in these types of cases we always hear things like "Thousands of documents", what the heck are these?
If i got raided by the FBI they'd find like 2 pieces of paper in my house. Are they making receipts for their crimes???
If i got raided by the FBI they'd find like 2 pieces of paper in my house. Are they making receipts for their crimes???
Random Human
They were trying to grab your prize. They work for the mercenary. The masked man.
Probably mostly emails. Most of it's nothing.
How many Word or text documents do you have on your computer?
Fenderputty
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Was it this?
https://www.lawfareblog.com/how-read-news-story-about-investigation-eight-tips-who-saying-what
Great read by the way. Highly recommend everyone in here read it;
TheCochese
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RustyNails
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Dont think he does currently. Wasn't he at his home when FBI conducted the predawn raid?
Didn't a comedian call this "stupid Watergate"?
He can afford multiples homes I'd imagine
PhoncipleBone
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John Oliver did. And it is still an on point name for it all.
BertramCooper
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It seems like Team Trump's basic defense is, "Yeah, we had all of these secret meetings and conversations with Russian operatives that we didn't disclose until the press forced them out into the open, but none of them actually led to anything whatsoever."
Seems...kinda implausible!
Seems...kinda implausible!
NullPointer
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John Oliver, and he's been dead on the whole time.
It would be a mid or post credits sequence in the movie. Halfway through the scrolling text a security camera video feed pops up on the screen, with the actor playing Donald Trump exuberantly jumping up and down in his stained tighty whities, yelling at the top of his lungs. "Take THAT, Obummer!" He exclaims as pee trickles down a sheet.
BlueTsunami
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Jared Kushner was caught trying to do exactly this
It was the Wapo that was supposed to have the megaton article about collusion. The rumor started a few days before a WSJ article that showed end-to-end collusion, but was a bit weak in the middle. The main source for that one was the guy working for an oppo firm that killed himself a couple weeks after the story because he had a terminal diagnosis and wanted his family to get the life insurance before it ran out, iirc.
But I think twitter-verse had confused wapo with wsj and so it's persisted and grown every day there's no giant story from the wapo.
Brawly Likes to Brawl
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You see, that's the problem with greedy people, they don't know when to stop.
JHoNNy1OoO
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I will quietly be waiting for the article dealing with Manafort's dead body being found. Pretty much a given at this point.
Beer Monkey
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You get away with crimes your whole life you start to think you're invincible. Manafort, Flynn, Kushner, Trump et al are very much alike.
It is this, yes. Thanks for finding it!
There could be. I get the impression that the vast majority of the story is just coming from Manafort's attorneys. Note, especially:
wapo said:
On its face this is literally an admission of guilt. This person close to Manafort must be very close -- maybe even Manafort himself -- or there's no way they'd print this.
The only thing in this story that can't have come from Manafort or his lawyers are the two sections about what "investigators believe." That must come from the investigators -- only they can testify accurately as to what they believe.
My read of this is that "people familiar with the probe" are people working directly on the Congressional investigation and every other sourcing is Manafort's team. But it's weird that there are so many separate sourcing notes if there's just one source, so you might be right. There could be other people involved, most notably people near Kiliminik.
SlickShoesRUCrazy
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I'm ready for the bombshell that ties trump to all of this.
I don't want to see trump try to play "im ignorant" card.
He and his entire company/name/franchise needs to be permanently dismantled.
I don't want to see trump try to play "im ignorant" card.
He and his entire company/name/franchise needs to be permanently dismantled.
x24hrs2livex
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Agreed. Trump wasn't a good businessman so of course it's only logical to assume he'd make a lousy criminal.
BoogieWoogie
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Does Putin count?
Brock Reiher
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Sounds like they're working on it
Youre not going to believe this, but Manafort was Trumps campaign manager.
When you work for Putin you work for the dictators Putin wants you to work for.
A big part of the topic of these email threads are that the guy he's offering to meet with is suing him for $13 million. Guess what happens if Manafort just waits around for that to come to trial?
Lightning_Roller
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SlickShoesRUCrazy
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Not enough. I'm talking about a tape recording of trump telling manafort to contact putin levels of bombshell.
Fenderputty
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Wasn't too hard. I read the same thing a short while ago. I think the link was posted on Whittes twitter after one of the booms. I specifically remembered the points you brought up and thought "fuck I bet we read the same thing"
I actually wanted to find the link because I agree with you. It's a valuable read and worthwhile to anyone whos trying to keep up with this investigative reporting on the Russia probe.
Good find. Not sure what the purpose of that leak would be though ...
EDIT: Maybe he doesn't mind the info leaking if he's flipped?
I just love how shit that would have murdered anyone else in politics forever is graded on a curve for Trump.
I think it shows that we as Americans really have no idea what to do or how to judge things when theyre so out in the open and completely obvious. Were looking for a smoking gun and theres been like 10. Trump told us he shot the gun. But its all not quite because its seriously bizarre for this stuff to be so out there. Its so obvious it feels like we need to somehow find more. Go deeper. Were used to people hiding the gun.
Yeah, I don't know either. It's a pretty bad sign for your case when you feel like leaking an admission of guilt is a good idea.
Might indicate that Manafort has already flipped and isn't worried about his legal outcome, I guess?
edit: Looks like your edit went to the same place my mind did.
jellies_two
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I don't know if it was for this but he was already using unsent email drafts and shared email logins to communicate with "his Russian friends" according to the IMessage dump of his daughters phone.
BrassDragon
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The key thing here is motivation: why would a Russian oligarch close to Putin need ongoing personal updates / briefings on the activities of the presumptive GOP presidential candidate?
The article alludes to this with the passage:
They're trying to deflect this to nonsense about collecting Manafort's outstanding debts in Eastern Europe but that's not an operation you need the clout of a US presidential candidate for.
I don't see how this could refer to anything other than a policy platform Deripaska wanted Manafort to push within the GOP.
The article alludes to this with the passage:
They're trying to deflect this to nonsense about collecting Manafort's outstanding debts in Eastern Europe but that's not an operation you need the clout of a US presidential candidate for.
I don't see how this could refer to anything other than a policy platform Deripaska wanted Manafort to push within the GOP.