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Infinity Ward ops to show PS4 footage for COD IGN vids- a series first since MS deal?
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soul creator
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I've mentioned this in another thread, but after all this controversy, I went to try out the two resolutions on a few PC games I had (Bioshock Infinite, Sleeping Dogs, Max Payne 3). Honestly, I couldn't really tell the difference with PC games on my 55" 1080p TV unless I constantly switch back and forth between the two resolutions and make a concerted effort to pick out details in the same scene :/ (I sit 8-10 feet away from my TV, btw).
Honestly, the only obvious way I could tell the difference was because the HUD elements changed size. Text would probably be another easy way to tell. But for an average action game in motion? I wouldn't be able to eyeball resolutions either. I can identify 30 vs. 60 fps, low details versus high details, and 480p vs. 720p though. Just not 720p vs. 1080p, unless I really made a concerted effort to spot the differences.
I don't think it's such a shock that some people may not be able to tell offhand from just watching a game being played. Maybe for some people, there are other graphics differences that jump out more than just resolution?
Not at all. I expect silence. But that is what we're discussing, really: the deafening silence. If Sony had not come out and so easily confirmed the native resolution on PS4, we'd all still be thinking this rumour was not worth getting worked up over until we got something to go off of.
But now, this raises the stakes significantly. It says Activision is allowing Sony - who they're not even partnered with for Ghosts - to plainly share their native res without any issues. No delay, no beating around the bush. But for Microsoft, we still get silence! The only conclusion therefore is that whether Albert is aware of it or not, his friend in 3rd Party Relations is aware the news is negative or Activision does and must now be in the dirty business of trying to keep the news quiet.
DragonSworne
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I have to question Microsoft's good relationship with third parties if Activision won't reveal the resolution size to them.
What else could possible explain the silent treatment? </sarcasm>
What else could possible explain the silent treatment? </sarcasm>
Vire
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What I meant by that was - why is Sony disclosing the information and not Microsoft then?
The answer is pretty obvious.
Amir0x spitting truth right now.
Before a console launch is the main time you're going to see this. Developers don't want to be accused of hurting console sales if one platform underperforms. Once the consoles are out and the first wave of games gets analyzed, it's all over.
Project Alice
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It seems to me that Activision is still cranking hard to improve the XBO version and is not willing to announce until the final timer. They prob don't want to create a shitstorm unless they're 100% sure its unavoidable.
They owe much of their financial success to XBOX360 and are probably working hard to not embarrass their top partner.
They owe much of their financial success to XBOX360 and are probably working hard to not embarrass their top partner.
I don't think Albert is being intentionally dishonest. He keeps coming here despite constantly getting shit. Others would have bailed already. Still, doesn't change the fact one platform is stronger than the other. Though this conversation has gotten a little out of hand.
MS needs to go grab some secret sauce from Arthur Gies.
MS needs to go grab some secret sauce from Arthur Gies.
Uno Venova
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I'm actually wondering if gaf will get an 'apology or concession'.
Albert, just wanted to say that I think you're doing a good job.
You can't let nobody hold you down. You can't let nobody take your pride. Ya gotta keep on moving past these haters.
Either your eyes are bad or you sit very far away from your TV: The visual difference between the two resolutions is absolutely staggering, and especially important in a game like CoD where recognising enemies at a distance can be vital. 720p makes it very hard to pick out detail.
720p also looks much worse on a 1080p TV due to the required scaling (especially when 1:1 pixel mapping/Just Scan/however it is called by your manufacturer is enabled).
DragonSworne
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They should spend the time making the PS4 and PC build look better as well. The game isn't pretty on any platform :/
Totally agree with you mate...man it's gonna be difficult generation for MS.
Ah, yes. Sorry I interpreted that wrong. Yes, that much is obvious, but I don't think it has anything to do with MS's relationship with 3rd parties. Its really not in MS or Activision's favor to release bad information to the public.
Vire
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Still cranking hard on a game that's been in manufacturing for quite some time now? Discs of the final gold copy are out there in the wild already.
Unless you are implying that they will add a patch to magically upgrade the resolution to 1080p by launch.
And we all already can safely assume this, I don't know why people are acting like they have some kind of personal vendetta against Microsoft.
famousmortimer needs to get over himself, he's had his 15 minutes as he said, but he looks desperate trying to incite more controversy.
It'd be funny if the game ended up looking better at 720p because it hides all the little flaws. Then MS will say it was a "design choice" to run it that way.
Albert, thanks for still being patient and responding.
All, I'm finding this whole verbal exchange with Albert pointlessly toxic. People will find out eventually anyway. If you want to know something, make yourself heard. But there is no need insinuate so much and accuse individuals belonging to a gigantic corporation with myriad organizational complexities of obfuscation or blatant lying . It's naive and utterly disrespectful.
If anyone wants to argue the point I'm trying to make, please knock yourself out. You will not get a response from me. I'm fed up of following this thread. Whenever there is real news on what the resolution is, we'll talk.
Are we "haters", or are we merely passionate gamers who are genuinely interested in knowing what we might potentially purchase? Knowing its flaws and strengths? Being intimately familiar with its idiosyncrasies so that we can make more informed purchases for extremely expensive items that are $400-$500?
Is it right, do you believe, that something such as native resolution is kept secret before people have the opportunity to buy it? Is this something you think is fair? And do you believe people reacting negatively to this fact makes them 'haters'?
Yep. Transparency with consumers. It's also positive for Sony. If the game looked like shit on their console they obviously wouldn't disclose it.
I remember Microsoft touting how Madden was best on Xbox 360 last gen. That reputation certainly was important in the early days.
Nightengale
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I'm pretty sure Penello's colleague knows it, but chooses not to share it.
Penello not officially being in-the-loop is not surprising. Separation of business divisions happen for a reason, and just because Penello is a consumer-facing figure doesn't mean he gets the 'cc' from every department in the company.
With that being said, given that he said he's seen the official X1 footage of CoD on a 1080p screen... (my opinion) is that he knows the footage is not a full 1080p native, but he may not be sure on the actual native resolution.
And he's definitely not going to comment on that matter.
What? Ok, I'll break it down. Didn't want to, as I'm on my phone. Ami put it best when he said that the 180 is getting shit because it deserves it. Do you look around GAF and think that the favor of Sony and MS are split 50/50? Of course not.
MS has dropped the ball on several occasions since the reveal and crazy messaging, lower specs and higher price knocked their castle down. Most 180 threads turn to shit quite easily and when an Xbox fan asks, "why are you picking on MS? You guys are so biased!" the answer is always the same...we are a community made up of hardcore gamers and Sony is doing and saying all of the right things and MS is doing the opposite. Which is the truth. So what reason would a forum with such a lop-sided interest in PS4 over the 180 have for getting to 55 pages talking about the resolution of a 180 game? All the memes, lulz and .gifs were from concerned future 180 owners? Lol, come on.
The forum loves drama and we're in the middle of some of the best drama GAF has ever seen. I have no idea why you think I'm trying to hivemind GAF. I'm literally calling it like it is
To be fair, transparency is much easier when you know you have the upper hand.
Gemüsepizza
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Maybe he wanted to write "130%" instead of ">30%", which would be true, because the difference in the amount of pixels going from the X1 version to the PS4 version of CoD would be only 125%.
That's the very worst form of PR.
You get bad news out yourself, and you get it out early. MS should have come clean when asked, and thrown a bunch of tech babble to calm fanboys "The temporal resolution CoD's blistering 60fps provides greatly enhances the image quality independent of resolution" or whatever, but instead it's just going to be a bloodbath when the face offs hits. Made even worse by the fact Sony are going to beat them on every single game on the same day.
Wow at cryengine's meltdown. It'll be okay, champ.
shinra-bansho
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It's pretty plainly obvious.
There don't seem to be builds in the wild of any third party titles save Battlefield 4, which apparently wasn't allowed to be filmed or photographed on either platform for whatever reason, and FIFA 14. COD multiplayer reveal on PCs "presented by Xbox."
And mort now with multiple sources confirming.
Pretty much. It's amusing. It's ultimately silly. Some people just want to watch the world burn, and I can admit that sometimes I'm one of them.
I respect Penello (and his job; and i really think he doesn't actually knows and Activision or MS 3rd party PR director doesn't want anyone else to know) but - for me - it's kinda telling that MS is the first to know, show and boast about all the first-on Xbox One DLC packages, the trailers and everything else, but had no idea if the game is 720p or 1080p
Just as Sony, if the case were inverted, you'd a more powerful machine than competition, and a game as populas a CoD had an edge over other consoles, i'm sure you'll proudly show it in every single ad you can put online or tv.
Just as Sony, if the case were inverted, you'd a more powerful machine than competition, and a game as populas a CoD had an edge over other consoles, i'm sure you'll proudly show it in every single ad you can put online or tv.
Haven't read every post in this thread, and while I, like many others, assume it's 720p on Xbox one at this point, is it possible they are still working on trying to get it to 1080p and that's why it hasn't been confirmed? Or is basically a month before release not enough time to change anything and they're just delaying the official bad news as long as possible, etc.
Vire
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I don't think there is anything inherently wrong with wanting to know the truth, but flat saying they are deliberate liar is another matter entirely.
I get that it is frustrating, but really, you already know the real reasoning for the silence on Microsoft's behalf.
I am not arguing it's good PR or good strategy. Just that it is indeed the strategy I would expect for something like this
Vire said:
I have not called him a liar and to my knowledge never have. I have great respect for Albert, and think he's in an impossible situation.
Truth.
But doesn't CoD absolutely positively have to be 1080p on PS4? It's competing directly with Killzone over there, and that game is 1080p and is making pants shrink.
I wouldn't be at all surprised if Activision gave Sony the go-ahead, and if they did that, they had to have given MS the go-ahead as well. MS just doesn't seem to be in a position to state the obvious. Better to keep the news marginalized to rumors and speculation from "that cesspool NeoGAF", which feeds into what their fans already think.
Don't think the engine they use handles collision or physics very well.
Vire
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No I wasn't saying you did, it was more directed at the criticism I placed at Mortimer's feet.
Digital Foundry can't get here soon enough.
Exactly. That's why you see a reversal of tactics.
soul creator
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as mentioned, I sit 8-10 feet away. And I wear glasses. Maybe I need a new prescription? Are my glasses of the quincunx variety? Built-in MSAA hoo hahs? I dunno. Albert Penello wears glasses too...aha, I've figured it out!
Dynamic as low as 832x624, 51,792 pixels, versus 2,073,600 pixels.
That's a forty fold increase.
Of course not. First, Call of Duty has nothing to fear from the sales of Killzone. Nothing at all. Second imo, even if it was 720p on PS4, the sales would not be that negatively impacted versus Killzone.
And finally, and most importantly, that's usually not how it works. Why didn't many last-gen games feel the need to compete with the native 720p games?
I just feel sorry for Albert whenever tech talk comes up. He's clearly not a technical guy, no offense meant, and it just makes it seem to some users like he's hiding something when he actually just plain doesn't know. The technical fellow situation just made things worse since the TF clearly didn't think that GAF would be able to dissect the claims as much as we did and Albert got shot as the messenger.
BruiserBear
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Truer words have never been spoken. It's a no win situation.
When you put it this way, I mostly agree.
However, this is the very first measurable confirmation of something we've suspected since early this year, that multiplatform games would perform better on PS4's hardware.
It's kind of a big deal.
Poetic.Injustice
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dolabla
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Zatoichi's Cane
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They are choosing to share because their version is 1080p and the xbone version is (most probably) 720p and everyone knows about the shit storm that is going on over here/internetz. He is taking a shot at the competition.