Relativ9
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and then you remember that jews again flee certain places in europe and not because of some skin head idiots but because of the imported Islamic antisemitism.
This has happened and is happening in france and sweden especially.
Or do you actually try to sell the fantasy that half of Europe turned to the right as soon as the governments ignored their constant warnings (that btw have been proven correct) just suddenly out of nowhere for no reason at all?
Playing willfully blind or ignorant isnt helpful.. Do we really need to read in the history books that the eurozone disintegrated because of a bunch of cowards refusing to look reality in the eyes until the end of europe?
Can we agree that losing the uk, half of europe turning to center right and the possible collapse of the eurozone should be enough reason/pressure to drop the charade already?
I mean I can certainly agree that importing bad ideas isn't exactly a net gain for Europe. Antisemitism, homophobia, and even racism (typically middle easterns aren't exactly fond of black people) are all large problems in European societies, and it usually gets worse the further east, south/east you go, importing a group of people who traditionally hold even more extreme views into that mess isn't exactly a good thing.
HOWEVER, no country can afford to be isolationist anymore. We live in a global society and the things that happen in one corner of the world can sometimes have dramatic consequences in another. While it's understandable to be scared of importing bad ideas we also need to start thinking more seriously about exporting good ones. And one of the most efficient ways to do that is to have population exchanges between these places. A son raised integrated into Western European societies and doing well is going to do far more good at convincing his family to soften their views and modernize than any amount of foreign aid budget will.
There's a balance to be found here, and it's probably somewhere to the left of how Saudi Arabia or Quwait has dealt with the refugee crisis, and somewhere on the right of where Sweden, Germany and France have dealt with it.
A while ago in Norway a proposal was brought up to deport people who have stayed in Norway for more than 5 years without learning Norwegian to a reasonable level. The left in Norway called this heartless and cruel and racist. The right said it didn't go far enough. The center said it was just right because while they would expect most people to be able to pick up a language like Norwegian in 1-2 years, they had taken into consideration the conditions some of the refugees came from and thrown on an extra 3 years for good measure.
I agree with the center, it's unsustainable to prop up whole generations of immigrants based on a socialist system they haven't paid into if we can't reasonably expect them to pay into it in the future (learn the language, get a job).
And to bring it back to the culture clash. Some Muslims nurses refuse to work in our hospitals because they'd have to serve pork meals to their patients. This way of thinking is also unsustainable and shouldn't be supported. Can work but don't want to? Starve. I don't care if the reason you don't want to is an irrational superstition, why should my tax money pay for that?