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MGSV: Ground Zeroes achievements LEAKED! (SPOILER ALERT)
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Love Deterrence
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The game does include a "Backstory" which I believe is said to cover the events of Peace Walker and everything else up to that point. I think the characters, Chico and Paz (of Peace Walker), will be focused on to a certain extent, however it seems like the primary goal of Ground Zeroes is to lead the player into a new story in The Phantom Pain.
I don't care if it's short. I have an 6 year thirst for MGS. Will pay, will play.
Fuck that.
Fuck that.
That's kinda lame. If Xbox is getting an entire mission, surely they could've spent time modelling a high res MGS1 Solid Snake?
Love Deterrence
Member
It is a mission.
Rogue Agent
Banned
Holy crap. See this post is spot on in terms of what I'm fearing about this game, I really hope we're being tricked again but it seems like wishful thinking right now.
Ah, that's definitely more reasonable.
It wouldn't help from a marketing perspective to trick us about the game's length.
ShinoguTakeruKoeru
Member
The only known version to come with anything summarizing Peace Walker is various limited editions only in Japan with a novelization of Peace Walker including new Shinkawa art. There hasn't been a Metal Gear game that summarized the past entries as a menu option since MGS1 and 2.
Rogue Agent
Banned
It wouldn't. But Kojima has talked in interviews about wanting to take risks with Ground Zeroes that would cause people to not want to buy the game and that he's "prioritizing creativity over sales". http://www.metalgearinformer.com/?p=6237
He also made comments before revealing that MGSV is the Phantom Pain about wanting to mislead people with trailers and hide stuff, saying he dislikes how in Hollywood movies you get trailers which tell you exactly what is going to happen, and he wants to change that with his next project so that we go in thinking we know what is going to happen and there's lots of twists and turns. http://www.gamespot.com/articles/kojima-on-why-misleading-trailers-are-important/1100-6405309/
But to contrast these two statements, I feel like what we're being told they're doing with Ground Zeroes spits in the face of Kojima's previous comments! Unless we're being mislead, I feel we know nearly everything that's gonna happen in Ground Zeroes' story from the footage they've released in the trailers of all the significant things like the scene of Snake seemingly "choking" Chico, the destruction of Camp Omega and Motherbase, the coma as well as the bomb in Paz. Then they've decided to sell Ground Zeroes as a separate product at £40, which means the MGSV experience put together will likely end up costing people nearly £100 which certainly doesn't sound like Kojima is prioritizing creativity over sales. You could probably chalk it all down to Kojima just overhyping his titles and general incompetance from the team, but there's a part of me that wants to believe he's better than this.
Love Deterrence
Member
Actually, I was referring to the one in the main menu!
Well, I'm actually pretty sure that'll be a fairly accurate description of the game.
and everyone who cared enough to click on this thread will buy it anyway
To be honest what you described doesn't even sound that bad for 40$.
AHA-Lambda
Member
Oh, didn't know that, maybe not as bad then.
it's not that we're being tricked, it's more like we're not being told anything to contradict or set straight the negative narrative that has been building for ground zeroes since the september gameplay previews
i feel bad for torashiro, because by the time konami head office gives the go-ahead to start detailing the contents of ground zeroes in a "here's the value" way it'll be way too late and most of the community would have made up their mind
i feel bad for torashiro, because by the time konami head office gives the go-ahead to start detailing the contents of ground zeroes in a "here's the value" way it'll be way too late and most of the community would have made up their mind
Love Deterrence
Member
Right! There's so much information and misinformation surrounding this game that it's hard to keep track of what's what. But yes, they seem to be well-aware of Peace Walker's limited audience, so I don't think anyone new to the series (or returning to the series) will have to worry about having to have played Peace Walker.
Rogue Agent
Banned
Same here. I hope the clarification comes soon, and it's good.
They don't need the community. MGS is the kind of name that pulls in normals as well. The cover is going to say MGSV on the shelves. A recipe for success.
A recipe for hurting the reputation of the series. If this isn't received well it'll hurt The Phantom Pain.
Rogue Agent
Banned
But isn't that in itself a bigger concern? Won't the normals who go in and buy it unaware it's just a prologue and not the real MGSV, and their expectations based on MGS4, Rising and the MGSV trailers which included Phantom Pain footage, take it's shortness more personally than the fans when it ends and tells you to buy another game next year to see what happens next? I could see that stirring controversy as well. The wrath of this community will seem tame in comparison to the people who aren't diehard fans and only bought the game because they enjoyed the previous ones and thought the title "Metal Gear Solid V" would be a stamp of quality.
ehh... i think we underestimate how clued in 'normals' are to the comings and goings of gaming
i dunno
i've got a sinking feeling people might pick up gz thinking it's the phantom pain
I've got a rising feeling that's exactly what Konami wants, and they'll be happy to take that cash.
Lord of Castamere
Member
Well they best be ready for the revengeance of those people when they refuse to buy The Phantom Pain.
Inferno313
Banned
Yeah, seems like Kaz could be a big character, but I wouldn't be surprised if we don't see much of Paz or Chico in The Phantom Pain at all.
funkystudent
Member
If Konami wasn't jerks about it, Ground Zeros should come with a code that gets you a discount on the digital Version of MGS5 proper when its released.
Rogue Agent
Banned
Me neither. If it's true that only one survives, their roles in the Phantom Pain would either need to be interchangable like Otacon and Meryl at the end of MGS1 or little separate missions that open up depending on who you let survive but not too significant in the scheme of the main storyline.
SkylineRKR
Member
Perhaps one dies, other gets tortured to death.
Both Chico and Paz appear in the red band trailer for The Phantom Pain, so I think you'll end up rescuing both in Ground Zeros. It's just a matter of which one you rescue first.
Rogue Agent
Banned
That came with Zone of the Enders. No one complained about the length of the demo for Metal Gear Rising on the ZOE HD Collection either, you were at least getting a full game with both of those.
Edit:
What might have been a better idea is to attatch Ground Zeroes to Castlevania: Lords of Shadow 2. I certainly wouldn't be bitching then, even though I was never planning to purchase that game. But the precedent of this seems bad to me.
but wouldn't that be counter-conductive to actually making any money? why sacrifice the bigger release for the sake of getting a few extra sales out of confused customers?
Haha. The Kojima effect on theories carries into achievements apparently. I think it's just a grammar mistake my friend.
Sub_Level
wants to fuck an Asian grill.
With base management and fulton recovery confirmed to be in Phantom Pain, MGSV really is Peace Walker 2 from a gameplay perspective. But instead of short areas, PP will be open world.
MikeBreezy92
Member
I don't see how people are saying if its a demo or not. We really just don't know. Seems like something we'll see once the game is out.
LOL @ citing Zone of the Enders with the "FREE" MGS2 demo as some high water mark of value.
ZOE1 is both bad and about 3 hours long. And soooo many threw down the $49.99 for the free MGS2 demo. I will take a beefy extended paid prologue DLC that ties into the main game, than a bad game and a short, vanilla demo at full new release price.
ZOE1 is both bad and about 3 hours long. And soooo many threw down the $49.99 for the free MGS2 demo. I will take a beefy extended paid prologue DLC that ties into the main game, than a bad game and a short, vanilla demo at full new release price.
Rogue Agent
Banned
I just hope the mission structure is different from Peace Walker by the time we're into the full game. I think constantly being taken back to a menu every time we complere an operation and having to access the open world(s) and Motherbase through a list of DVD Chapters will spoil the scale and immersion of the game.
I noticed in one demo of the Ground Zeroes mission, you can rescue the prisoner that you mistake to be Chico and after you've brought him to the Chopper a post-credits esque conversation with Kaz plays. I hope to god we're not sent back to a menu and have to start from the beginning again every time we decide to take a detour and do a side objective, that's an example of the sort of thing I don't want to affect the structure of the game.
decayedmatter
Neo Member
Wow, this is gonna be the first MGS title I don't buy day 1. I was assuming we would at least get 2 open world areas, not 1. And weve already seen most of what this mission has to offer in video previews, we would basically just be replaying what weve already seen, with a bit of side mission padding thrown in. No thanks, Kojima has finally sold out (along with snuffing out David Hayter)
I know, I know. I was merely being facetious, but as we all know, that often doesn't carry over too well into written language.
That's almost assuredly how each game will be structured. Might as well get used to it.
Dwight Schrute
Member
Please be like tags...
AHA-Lambda
Member
You can downplay it all you want, the fact is it came with an entire game that many people enjoyed. The perceived value was much higher than Ground Zeroes alone.
giancarlo123x
Banned
That's useless to me! I need my physical mgs copies!
Lord of Castamere
Member
Exactly.
Most people in this thread should get familiar with the "Ladder of Inference". You guys need to seriously fucking relax.
We need to keep reasonable expectations.
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