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Scopa
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(11-13-2017, 03:25 AM)

Originally Posted by rokkerkory

Fuck both parties i just lean to use my common sense.

Lol, you beat me to it.

Almost all politicians are corrupt. Regardless of party. Regardless of country.

I side with common sense and look at every situation based on logic and evidence.

Trust no one.
Fuz
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(11-13-2017, 03:39 AM)
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No labels really fit on me. You'll probably label me as a socialist (mostly), although it's way, way more personal and complicated than that.

Adding some data: I really liked Bernie, hated hillary A LOT, hate trump just a tiny little bit less than hillary.
Ichabod
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(11-13-2017, 04:03 AM)
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Chaotic good.
00stevenm
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(11-13-2017, 04:19 AM)
Moderate Conservative. I actually have voted Democrat in the past but I forsake the current party.
Omnii-chan
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(11-13-2017, 04:38 AM)
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I used to not give a damn about politics until I noticed how much it could fuck up the country.
Now I'm all for Labor and Greens, which are left in Australia.

Liberals fucked up the internet infrastructure upgrade, we will be using the same copper telephone cables capable of up to 50 megabit in most cases for the next 40 years now instead of fibre 1-10 gigabit.

Also their same sex marriage postal vote has incited hatred campaigns.

They also cut public holiday rates and gave businesses tax cuts.

Fuck em.

Unfortunately all the oldies which outnumber us young people vote Liberal.
Grinchy
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(11-13-2017, 05:04 AM)
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I'm in the middle, so I just lean away from the side that seems the most psychotic at the time. Recently, that was very clearly the left. I couldn't bring myself to vote for Trump, but I certainly wasn't crying on election night.
Lynux
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(11-13-2017, 05:29 AM)
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A culturally conservative communist.
Battlechili1
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(11-13-2017, 05:41 AM)
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I voted for Jill Stein during the election if that tells you anything.
DragoonKain
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(11-13-2017, 06:09 AM)
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Originally Posted by Ichabod

Chaotic good.

Chaos is a ladder.
clem84
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(11-13-2017, 06:17 AM)
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Originally Posted by Rocket Number 22

I'm left leaning with I guess right views on migration.

Left
Support free education and health care, transitional meds paid for, pro gay rights marriage/adoption etc

Agree.

Right
Support legal migration (became more that way as I have had to do it myself) Despite my German background I think Germany's open door position was disastrous.

Agree

The UN should be more forceful in enforcing peace.

Don't know. It's a delicate matter.


Is it left or right to think that if you are on welfare for more than two years with no dependent children you should be force to work, road works etc

Don't know but I agree.
moose fatcat
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(11-13-2017, 06:31 AM)

Originally Posted by Fuz

No labels really fit on me. You'll probably label me as a socialist (mostly), although it's way, way more personal and complicated than that.

Adding some data: I really liked Bernie, hated hillary A LOT, hate trump just a tiny little bit less than hillary.

That's the textbook definition of the label "Bernie Bro"
matt360
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(11-13-2017, 07:56 AM)
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Left. But I get pissed off by people on both sides pretty equally.
Marcos Jr
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(11-13-2017, 08:45 AM)
not exactly a political stance, but I like to think myself as a pragmatic person (ie: not guided by ideologies)
Maedre
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(11-13-2017, 08:53 AM)
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Centric in Germany. That should be "ultra-left" in the USA.

Originally Posted by Rocket Number 22


Support legal migration (became more that way as I have had to do it myself) Despite my German background I think Germany's open door position was disastrous.

the streets are BURNING ;)

But I know what you mean. I think the problem wasn't the open door position, it was/is the way the situation is handled in here. Our laws were not prepared for a situation like this. I would want to welcome everyone as long as they obey our rules and I Support a zero tolerance politic if someone does not behave. We will see how disastrous this whole situation will become.
black_13
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(11-13-2017, 08:59 AM)
I lean left but I didn't like alot of the far left people that left this place.
DrunkShogun
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(11-13-2017, 09:05 AM)
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Originally Posted by matt360

Left. But I get pissed off by people on both sides pretty equally.

This. Find both sides have some ideology that is either too extreme or poorly thought out. This is coming from the uk where both major political groups are painfully bad.
SoulUnison
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(11-13-2017, 09:08 AM)
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Do the right thing, help the most people.

When everyone has the chance to be better, we all will be.

Think about how many people have been born and died in poverty or just "survived" through life because they simply had no opportunities?

How many of those people had a mind that could've cured a cancer or solved a crisis or revolutionized an industry if they'd just had the education and opportunity to foster their passions?

By holding any of us back we hold all of us back.
Greatness can come from anywhere.

It's simply the right stance to have even if you base it on cold probability rather than any sort of moral framework.
The more educated, driven people we have, and the longer and healthier the lives they lead are, the greater chance at any given moment that someone stumbles into a "Eureka!" that changes things for everyone.
Baron Doggystyle von Woof
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(11-13-2017, 09:46 AM)
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Social Democrat. I live in The Netherlands and I am everyone has a roof above his head and basic Healthcare.

I can't wrap my head around the USA system where people literally die from no Healthcare or live on the streets. Specially because it's the richest country in the world.
Martinski43
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(11-13-2017, 10:35 AM)
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I'm all sorts of political leaning..

On one hand i'm all for legalizing cannabis

On the other hand i am for strong borders and strict migration

On one hand i am all for living your life however you want

On the other hand i believe in universal healthcare etc

On the other hand i also believe in lower taxes

Im mix o Liberal, libertarian, social democrat, librarian and so on i think?

And so on and so forth.. yeah my political leanings are a mess and there aren't really any parties that "fit the bill".
HeinrichHimmler
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(11-13-2017, 10:36 AM)
Fascist
ASAP
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(11-13-2017, 10:56 AM)
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Legalize all drugs

Open borders worldwide

Rejection of nation border states

Advocate for City states [Hong Kong] [New York] as an example - remove people from nature - limit our destructive nature

Socialized health care

Disarmament of Nukes

Ban guns globally

Decentralization of world banks

jail bankers, raid tax havens

Governance should be handled by AI

Solar, thermal, wind, nuclear should all be heavily pushed

Iíll take anyone left leaning, the world is too far right, too many tribalist pos
Maedre
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(11-13-2017, 10:58 AM)
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Where can I report a member? Sry but this is not funny.

Originally Posted by HeinrichHimmler

Fascist

Lord Thrappleper The 49th
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(11-13-2017, 11:47 AM)
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Originally Posted by Maedre

Where can I report a member? Sry but this is not funny.

Why do you think they were trying to be funny?
luxsol
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(11-13-2017, 12:39 PM)
The last time i cared and took an online test for someone a decade ago, i placed on the left.

I don't think I've changed my views much since then, and i really don't pay attention to politics anymore, so i doubt I wouldn't be considered a leftist still unless shit has changed so much since then.
cromofo
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(11-13-2017, 01:05 PM)
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Centrist(European) with some left and right leaning views.
aaronsan
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(11-13-2017, 01:59 PM)
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Originally Posted by Kimawolf

Social Liberal
Moderate Foreign affairs

Basically I believe that health care is a right for civilised people, and should not be a huge expense. I believe women and men have the right ot make any medical treatment/choice they want. I believe sexuality is a private concern and as such the government should have no say in what one does/wants.

I also believe that there should be a UBI for all people due to the extreme automation here and coming to the world within the next 5 to 10 years. Once trucking/cabs are automated that will affect the largest employment sector in the U.S. for instance.

I believe religion is ALSO private and should not be forced on people by government, and once you operate a business in public your religious views CANNOT interfere with your business.

I believe foreign power should be used to stabilize, feed and educate, not try to take over and rule.

Hence why I am so terrifed Trump won. Trump is the worst kind of "conservative". He spouts nonsense about religion constantly to push his ridiculous agenda while at the same time preparing to get us into a NUCLEAR WAR and possibly kill millions while kissing Russia's ass cause he's scared/admires an ex KGB agent. And anyone who voted for him by proxy must agree with his nonsense if nuclear war breaks out, all those deaths and destruction will be on Trump voters head and they deserve the scorn,.

People in this thread seem to be respectfully not replying/quoting much, which is good because obviously we could degenerate into attacking easily on this topic. But that is not what I'm doing. Kimawolf, your views are so close to mine I basically wanted to just do a "me too" as my post here.

My general philosophy is to avoid hypocrisy, act only in ways I would like if others acted towards me, and make decisions on facts instead of opinions. I refuse to be dishonest even to "win"...in fact I don't consider it winning if you have to lie.

I identify on the left not only because of where I find myself on each issue, but also because I see extreme selfishness and hatred in so many right-wing views. If everyone acted only out of hatred and selfishness, what world would we have? I refuse to think horrible things about people I don't know, using guilt by association. I refuse to think that skin color has any impact on the potential of the person underneath.

I'm on the left because I see hypocrisy in nearly every right-wing position. I'll just give one example: the whole "small government" bullshit. You aren't for small government if you want government to control our private lives. Everyone wants big government on THEIR issues, small government elsewhere. Pure libertarians aside, yes yes, but I've never met a pure libertarian. There's always SOMETHING they want government to stop others from doing. Remember: cops are government, laws are government. If you think murder should be illegal, you want big government on murder.

Bottom line: I find no value in being an asshole to others. That guides me to my position in almost every issue....
aaronsan
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(11-13-2017, 02:05 PM)
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Originally Posted by JordanN

You see, I use to view things like this but it's too cartoonish to lable every Trump supporter like that.

It's like saying every Hillary voter are ok with murder because she supported going into Iraq.

Dividing a nation on labels only screws over boths sides of both parties. It's better to just disagree with them and move on with your life.

But Ombra didn't label the Trump supporter just for voting for Trump. Ombra asserted this fact as the basis for the scorn: "Trump is unanimously a mistake on a level worse than Brexit only bigots and white nationalist have a reason to still support this dumpster fire."

I've long said this, too...that voting for him, or having supported him, was kinda dumb but didn't necessarily make you horrible. But STILL supporting him at this time makes you an idiot or a horrible person, period.
Bigby_Wolf
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(11-13-2017, 03:03 PM)

Originally Posted by rokkerkory

Fuck both parties i just lean to use my common sense.

Same. I grew up in the Northeast so inheritantly I was Liberal.

But I try to think on my own and to be very brutally honest in the creation of my opinions.

My favorite saying is "If everyone is thinking alike then someone isn't thinking." Which is why I find myself increasingly skeptical of the Left. Almost all the media seem to have demonstrable bias toward the Left which creeps me out.

SNL cold opened with their Hillary character singing hallelujah after she lost the election. The Daily Show, Colbert Report, Last Week Tonight, I used to be enormous fans of all three but then I realized they were all just cheerleading for one side and that's just not good enough for me anymore.
Dude Abides
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(11-13-2017, 03:08 PM)
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Base your politics on comedy TV shows brehs.
Bigby_Wolf
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(11-13-2017, 03:23 PM)

Originally Posted by Dude Abides

Base your politics on comedy TV shows brehs.

That seems an unfair thing to take away from what I said.

Though there is a certain irony in that because Alec Baldwin wanted SNL to openly endorse Hillary.
Ben_T
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(11-13-2017, 03:53 PM)
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Pragmatist with Leftist tendencies. Iím absolutely willing to change my opinion/stance on any subject (and Iíve done so on many subjects as Iíve grown older) when presented with new data, or better argument.

Iíd probably be labeled a conservative or, even worse, a Centrist on liberal leaning places like GAF.

In the real world, Iím definitely liberal.
StreetCarp
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(11-13-2017, 04:14 PM)
Faaaar right, excluding religous leanings tho.

But I find no problem living in a Christian type religous state. I'd rather it be the dominant religous leaning or sole one.
Mahadev
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(11-13-2017, 04:28 PM)
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Anti-capitalist left, social libertarian. Having said that I adjust depending on situation and common sense instead of blindly following my ideology.
Blood Borne
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(11-13-2017, 04:31 PM)
I simply believe that no one should impose/force/coerce someone to do something they don't want to because it violates basic human right. So I guess that makes me a libertarian.
Blood Borne
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(11-13-2017, 04:35 PM)

Originally Posted by Bigby_Wolf

Same. I grew up in the Northeast so inheritantly I was Liberal.

But I try to think on my own and to be very brutally honest in the creation of my opinions.

My favorite saying is "If everyone is thinking alike then someone isn't thinking." Which is why I find myself increasingly skeptical of the Left. Almost all the media seem to have demonstrable bias toward the Left which creeps me out.

SNL cold opened with their Hillary character singing hallelujah after she lost the election. The Daily Show, Colbert Report, Last Week Tonight, I used to be enormous fans of all three but then I realized they were all just cheerleading for one side and that's just not good enough for me anymore.

Nice quote. It also makes me really scared of the left. I find the left really radical. Very difficult to have a conversation with them not getting rabid.
Mahadev
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(11-13-2017, 04:42 PM)
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Originally Posted by Bigby_Wolf

Same. I grew up in the Northeast so inheritantly I was Liberal.

But I try to think on my own and to be very brutally honest in the creation of my opinions.

My favorite saying is "If everyone is thinking alike then someone isn't thinking." Which is why I find myself increasingly skeptical of the Left. Almost all the media seem to have demonstrable bias toward the Left which creeps me out.

SNL cold opened with their Hillary character singing hallelujah after she lost the election. The Daily Show, Colbert Report, Last Week Tonight, I used to be enormous fans of all three but then I realized they were all just cheerleading for one side and that's just not good enough for me anymore.

Please don't put all leftists in the same category, there are many of us that encourage discussion and debate.

And for the record the media don't support the Left, they support neoliberalism, a system that often camouflages as Left to create controversy and divide people. Economically the particular system is actually very far to the right and is responsible for the slow decimation of the middle class in the West.
FMbarbarian
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(11-13-2017, 04:43 PM)
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Originally Posted by Blood Borne

I simply believe that no one should impose/force/coerce someone to do something they don't want to because it violates basic human right. So I guess that makes me a libertarian.

Sounds like the Non-Aggression Principle.
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I am an anarcho-capitalist. A society should be ran voluntarily by individual citizens perusing their best interest and serving their customers/community. I believe that any non-consensual initiation force to be immoral whether it performed by an individual or voted on by a majority and carried out t by a third party.
Blood Borne
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(11-13-2017, 04:45 PM)

Originally Posted by Scopa

Lol, you beat me to it.

Almost all politicians are corrupt. Regardless of party. Regardless of country.

I side with common sense and look at every situation based on logic and evidence.

Trust no one.

Originally Posted by Mahadev

Please don't put all leftists in the same category, there are many of us that encourage discussion and debate.

And for the record the media don't support the Left, they support neoliberalism, a system that often camouflages as Left to create controversy and divide people. Economically the particular system is actually very far to the right and is responsible for the slow decimation of the middle class in the West.

Can you please elaborate on this, how is it economically to the right?
dolabla
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(11-13-2017, 04:48 PM)
I guess I'm centrist, but my views are kind of all over the place. Some things I agree with the left (Universal Healthcare) and some things I agree with the right (strong borders).

I voted for Trump because I liked his message on jobs (he killed TPP), strong borders, etc. I also wanted to see what an outsider could do instead of a career politician.
Sakura
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(11-13-2017, 04:50 PM)
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I'm not sure.
I think health care (including dental) should be free. I think education should be free or at least more affordable. I think people struggling financially should get support from the government. But I lean pretty far right on many other things like drugs, immigration, etc.
I typically vote centre right.
Mahadev
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(11-13-2017, 04:56 PM)
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Originally Posted by Blood Borne

Can you please elaborate on this, how is it economically to the right?


It is essentially corporatism disguised as a genuine ideology. It is the system that supports privatization of public wealth, of education, health care, a system that supports corrupt politicians like Hilary Clinton or Emmanuel Macron that give the appearance of decency or even leftism but in reality they're disgustingly corrupt and deeply ingrained with the ruling class, a system that supports anti-labour laws using the usual excuse of "fighting unemployment", a system that causes the slow and calculated deterioration of the social safety net while its politicians talk about the exact opposite.

It's basically rightwing libertarianism's evil child that smartened up and learned to manipulate the population while ignoring the few beliefs of its father that would harm corporate interests.
Blood Borne
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(11-13-2017, 05:14 PM)

Originally Posted by Mahadev

It is essentially corporatism disguised as a genuine ideology. It is the system that supports privatization of public wealth, of education, health care, a system that supports corrupt politicians like Hilary Clinton or Emmanuel Macron that give the appearance of decency or even leftism but in reality they're disgustingly corrupt and deeply ingrained with the ruling class, a system that supports anti-labour laws using the usual excuse of "fighting unemployment", a system that causes the slow and calculated deterioration of the social safety net while its politicians talk about the exact opposite.

It's basically rightwing libertarianism's evil child that smartened up and learned to manipulate the population while ignoring the few beliefs of its father that would harm corporate interests.

Right wing is small government. Corporatism is caused by big government. Left is big government and is why Clinton and Macron love big government.

Libertarian is free market with little to no government interference. Government is power and just as it is impossible to take drugs and not get high, it's impossible to have power and not be corrupt. It's why I'm a libertarian. I hate government.
Bryan Newman
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(11-13-2017, 05:15 PM)
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Conservative Republican

The old gaf would have murdered me for what I'm about to list but here goes. Hopefully the new GAF will understand that just because we disagree on things does not mean we cannot have civil dialogue.

I am for small government
Low taxes
Pro 2nd Amendment
Pro Life
Strong military
Pro Police
Secure borders
Equal opportunity not equal outcome
BANGS
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(11-13-2017, 05:24 PM)
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Whatever I won't get banned for...
Mahadev
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(11-13-2017, 05:25 PM)
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Originally Posted by Blood Borne

Right wing is small government. Corporatism is caused by big government. Left is big government and is why Clinton and Macron love big government.

Libertarian is free market with little to no government interference. Government is power and just as it is impossible to take drugs and not get high, it's impossible to have power and not be corrupt. It's why I'm a libertarian. I hate government.


Right wing is the rich controlling the means of production, "small government" is just another bullshit talking point rightwing politicians talk about but never implement because they're also deeply ingrained with the ruling class that wants a strong government they can control for their own interests.

Rightwing libertarianism in particular is a hilarious ideology that for example supports campaign donations which is basically legalized bribery and then expects politicians to keep their word on this imaginary small government or not to be corrupted by the rich. They're also against setting rules to enforce ethical behavior on corporations and banks and then expect "healthy competition" ignoring of course the price fixing schemes, the cartels, the monopolies and oligopolies corporations form, the pyramid schemes banks form and so on. Like I said, hilarious, it's like a system that was created in an imaginary utopia where humans are gentle, innocent beings that would never do anything uncouth to screw each other in some of the worst ways possible. At least unlike neoliberalism it has principles, these principles make no fucking sense whatsoever but yeah at least it's genuine.

And for the record a lot of socialist ideologies support a small government, small government isn't a left/right issue.
7echnicolor
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(11-13-2017, 05:51 PM)
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Libertarians are naive as hell lmaooo itís like babbyís first political leaning
PJV3
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(11-13-2017, 06:08 PM)
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Originally Posted by 7echnicolor

Libertarians are naive as hell lmaooo itís like babbyís first political leaning

The ones who support Trump are off their heads, he's filling up departments with unqualified and frankly barmy people, how can a libertarian support that kind of nonsense, because it will affect people just as much as a functional government would.
Johnny Cage In The Shower
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(11-13-2017, 06:17 PM)
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Truth
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(11-13-2017, 06:22 PM)
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Both sides have ideas that I endorse. Don't really affiliate with a party.
Blood Borne
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(11-13-2017, 06:23 PM)

Originally Posted by Mahadev

Right wing is the rich controlling the means of production, "small government" is just another bullshit talking point rightwing politicians talk about but never implement because they're also deeply ingrained with the ruling class that wants a strong government they can control for their own interests.

Rightwing libertarianism in particular is a hilarious ideology that for example supports campaign donations which is basically legalized bribery and then expects politicians to keep their word on this imaginary small government or not to be corrupted by the rich. They're also against setting rules to enforce ethical behavior on corporations and banks and then expect "healthy competition" ignoring of course the price fixing schemes, the cartels, the monopolies and oligopolies corporations form, the pyramid schemes banks form and so on. Like I said, hilarious, it's like a system that was created in an imaginary utopia where humans are gentle, innocent beings that would never do anything uncouth to screw each other in some of the worst ways possible. At least unlike neoliberalism it has principles, these principles make no fucking sense whatsoever but yeah at least it's genuine.

And for the record a lot of socialist ideologies support a small government, small government isn't a left/right issue.

You clearly have no idea what you're talking about. Even your initial premise (Leftists such as Clinton and Macron are secretly right wing libertarians) is ridiculous. And yes, small/big government IS a left/right issue.

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