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Familienoberhauptvogel
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(09-12-2017, 06:48 PM)
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Originally Posted by Yaboosh

Is it really a card disadvantage of you're killing at least two minions?

You need to at least kill 2 minions and none of your own to be at card equity. That doesn't even account for when they have Battlecries or Deathrattles.

Originally Posted by G.ZZZ

It's deece in wild right now mostly because it trash most control decks with pyro equality as board clears + anyfin as 40 damage burst finishers.

isn't contrl dead because of giants?
G.ZZZ
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(09-12-2017, 06:50 PM)

Originally Posted by Familienoberhauptvogel

You need to at least kill 2 minions and none of your own to be at card equity. That doesn't even account for when they have Battlecries or Deathrattles.

isn't contrl dead because of giants?

I play against like 1 giants deck in 20 games. Also control pally and control priest are good vs giants.
TankUP
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(09-12-2017, 06:56 PM)
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Monstanto is bringing quest druid and quest rogue to this weekend's NA HCT tournament.

https://twitter.com/Monsanto_HS/stat...rc=twsrc%5Etfw
The Mango Sentinel
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(09-12-2017, 07:05 PM)
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I think I'm gonna stop playing Wild for a while until this Giants bullshit is addressed. It sucks because I like Wild so much more than Standard usually, but I can only take so much.
wiibomb
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(09-12-2017, 07:20 PM)
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okay! Now that I made it to rank 5, I can now focus on actually having fun.
Familienoberhauptvogel
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(09-12-2017, 07:29 PM)
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Originally Posted by wiibomb

okay! Now that I made it to rank 5, I can now focus on actually having fun.

same immediately lost 3 games with otk rogue.

Originally Posted by G.ZZZ

I play against like 1 giants deck in 20 games. Also control pally and control priest are good vs giants.

I switched to wild once I realized nzoth pally was crap in standard during old gods but it morphed into secret paladin with lategame more than nzoth pally and eventually just cut NZoth altogether.
TankUP
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(09-12-2017, 08:02 PM)
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http://www.hearthstonetopdecks.com/h...17-deck-lists/

All the deck lists for NA Summer Playoffs.
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sh1fty
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(09-12-2017, 08:40 PM)
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Originally Posted by The Mango Sentinel

I think I'm gonna stop playing Wild for a while until this Giants bullshit is addressed. It sucks because I like Wild so much more than Standard usually, but I can only take so much.

Wild was my escape from Jade Druids every other game... and now I'm running into this Naga Giants quite a bit... I almost exclusively play a Reno Jaina Mage deck.. this sucks :(
Forerunner
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(09-12-2017, 08:52 PM)
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I give up on Hunter. I'm just going to go back to Priest.
Peléo
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(09-12-2017, 08:55 PM)
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Originally Posted by Forerunner

I give up on Hunter. I'm just going to go back to Priest.

Tried to make Prince Hunter, Deathrattle Hunter, Secret Hunter and Menagerie Hunter to work with no success.

Don't think Deathrattle is too far off from being. If only Blizzard had given Roll the Bones to Hunter instead of Rogue... wouldn't make much of a difference
TankUP
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(09-12-2017, 09:07 PM)
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Originally Posted by Forerunner

I give up on Hunter. I'm just going to go back to Priest.

Originally Posted by Peléo

Tried to make Prince Hunter, Deathrattle Hunter, Secret Hunter and Menagerie Hunter to work with no success.

4 People think Hunter is good enough to bring to HCT NA Summer champs.

http://www.hearthstonetopdecks.com/h...17-deck-lists/
The Mango Sentinel
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(09-12-2017, 09:13 PM)
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Originally Posted by Peléo

Tried to make Prince Hunter, Deathrattle Hunter, Secret Hunter and Menagerie Hunter to work with no success.

Don't think Deathrattle is too far off from being. If only Blizzard had given Roll the Bones to Hunter instead of Rogue... wouldn't make much of a difference

I'm still playing hunter in standard and having success with it. Last month I climbed from 10-4 using it. I needed to switch because I was getting frustrated using Paladin and getting wrecked by priest.
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(09-12-2017, 09:16 PM)
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I'm sure the ability to ban a class would have awful effects that I'm not thinking of, but i think that would be awesome. Maybe have a separate ladder for it or allow it in casual.
The Mango Sentinel
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(09-12-2017, 09:24 PM)
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Another thing I keep seeing hunters do is playing their DK when I'm at less than 10 health.... like... why? You probably would've won had you not done that. Most of the time I think they're holding 2 kill commands and already have the game won, but nope.
Familienoberhauptvogel
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(09-12-2017, 09:28 PM)
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Originally Posted by Yaboosh

I'm sure the ability to ban a class would have awful effects that I'm not thinking of, but i think that would be awesome. Maybe have a separate ladder for it or allow it in casual.

you'd constantly be matched up against crazily teched decks is my guess.
Peléo
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(09-12-2017, 10:16 PM)
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Originally Posted by The Mango Sentinel

I'm still playing hunter in standard and having success with it. Last month I climbed from 10-4 using it. I needed to switch because I was getting frustrated using Paladin and getting wrecked by priest.

Originally Posted by TankUP

4 People think Hunter is good enough to bring to HCT NA Summer champs.

http://www.hearthstonetopdecks.com/h...17-deck-lists/

I'm not saying Hunter is unplayable and I quite like how the new DK works with the class.

I was just highlighting how my experimentations with the new archetypes didn't work out very well.
homeworkfilms
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(09-12-2017, 10:25 PM)
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Challenge a friend ASIA available. Anyone?
TankUP
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(09-12-2017, 10:50 PM)
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Originally Posted by homeworkfilms

Challenge a friend ASIA available. Anyone?

I can hop on in a few minutes.
Familienoberhauptvogel
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(09-12-2017, 10:51 PM)
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I'm at 496 wins with rogue need to be careful that I play Valeera on my 500th win.

Valeera is as good as people thought, if rogue wasn't so bad she'd probably be 3rd or 4th most powerful DK.
wiibomb
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(09-12-2017, 11:20 PM)
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Holy shit...

poor Monsanto majorly losing on his quest druid.
fertygo
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(09-12-2017, 11:43 PM)
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Rdu think the new midrange hunter list is the best tournament deck atm

He probably right its the best deck agaìnst pirate warr and priest right now.
Two most popular deck other than jadè druid right now

Originally Posted by wiibomb

Holy shit...

poor Monsanto majorly losing on his quest druid.

Quest Druid should farm Jade Druid tho

His exodia mage prolly the one that getting banned
thepotatoman
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(09-12-2017, 11:51 PM)
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Yeah, druid is the main thing holding Hunter back, and you can ban druid. Hunter on ladder is mediocre right now but I'd take hunter to a tournament.
Familienoberhauptvogel
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(09-12-2017, 11:56 PM)
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hunter does shit all over exodia mage.
Yaboosh
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(09-12-2017, 11:59 PM)
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Wait hunter is good against pirate warrior now? What the what.
fertygo
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(09-13-2017, 12:26 AM)
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Originally Posted by Yaboosh

Wait hunter is good against pirate warrior now? What the what.

Well they run double gollaka and bloodsail corsair plus patches

These list should run double deadly shot too fo show down hydra

If both side got same curve its should've hunter game
Yaboosh
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(09-13-2017, 12:58 AM)
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They should make an echo herbs card just for shits and giggles.
bunbun777
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(09-13-2017, 01:22 AM)
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Anyone else playing walaoumpa's rogue deck? Lots of fun and seems to surprise opponents.
SonicXtreme
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(09-13-2017, 02:19 AM)
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Originally Posted by The Mango Sentinel

I think I'm gonna stop playing Wild for a while until this Giants bullshit is addressed. It sucks because I like Wild so much more than Standard usually, but I can only take so much.

use it to your own advantage by making a wonky deck. i think the giants are pretty cool cause, i can make a wonky DK hunter deck for instance, and it's playable due to the giants package being all neutral. druid and warlock have big advantages but just the basic package gives you a solid shell to try out some classes u normally have weak library for, or just don't play.

i think it is better to have strong neutral package in the game like giants, which any class can utilize, versus something like pirate, where priest just can't use outside of meme

Originally Posted by The Mango Sentinel

Another thing I keep seeing hunters do is playing their DK when I'm at less than 10 health.... like... why? You probably would've won had you not done that. Most of the time I think they're holding 2 kill commands and already have the game won, but nope.

for teh funz, zombeasts are the reason i play the class so much.
Lone_Prodigy
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(09-13-2017, 02:23 AM)
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Pulled a UI after crafting two... darn.
Yaboosh
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(09-13-2017, 02:24 AM)
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Originally Posted by Lone_Prodigy

Pulled a UI after crafting two... darn.


Don't disenchant it.
Hycran
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(09-13-2017, 02:26 AM)
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Originally Posted by Familienoberhauptvogel

I'm at 496 wins with rogue need to be careful that I play Valeera on my 500th win.

Valeera is as good as people thought, if rogue wasn't so bad she'd probably be 3rd or 4th most powerful DK.

Valeera is one of the few death Knights that is actually fun to play with as her hero power still requires a lot of finesse. The only downside is that I sometimes mill myself due to her always spawning the 10th card before a draw.

Originally Posted by bunbun777

Anyone else playing walaoumpa's rogue deck? Lots of fun and seems to surprise opponents.

Post it

Originally Posted by Lone_Prodigy

Pulled a UI after crafting two... darn.

Hang onto it. That card will be nerfed one day, no doubt about it.
The Mango Sentinel
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(09-13-2017, 04:23 AM)
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Originally Posted by SonicXtreme




for teh funz, zombeasts are the reason i play the class so much.

Well I agree, I have a ton of fun using the DK. However, I'm not gonna use it if I know I'm about to win a match lol.
BananasWithGuns
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(09-13-2017, 07:30 AM)
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Man, I love shitting on Big Priest. This dude played like 5 Lich Kings and still lost.

Granted getting Shadow Visions (into Hex) and Tarim from my Un'Goro pack helped a bit.
Xanathus
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(09-13-2017, 07:35 AM)
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Originally Posted by fertygo

Rdu think the new midrange hunter list is the best tournament deck atm

He probably right its the best deck agaìnst pirate warr and priest right now.
Two most popular deck other than jadè druid right now
Quest Druid should farm Jade Druid tho

His exodia mage prolly the one that getting banned

How is midrange hunter the best deck against pirate warrior, the only way you win is if they either fail in their draws or you get a good golakka?
G.ZZZ
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(09-13-2017, 07:45 AM)

Originally Posted by Familienoberhauptvogel

same immediately lost 3 games with otk rogue.

I switched to wild once I realized nzoth pally was crap in standard during old gods but it morphed into secret paladin with lategame more than nzoth pally and eventually just cut NZoth altogether.

Nzoth isn't that good right now because classes have either burst (priest, anyfin) can end the game a bit faster (giants) or have just straight better lategame (fatigue).

Even if giants get nerfed, i suspect nzoth will still be a on a decline with razas, jades and fatigue decks around.
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(09-13-2017, 07:50 AM)
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Originally Posted by G.ZZZ

Nzoth isn't that good right now because classes have either burst (priest, anyfin) can end the game a bit faster (giants) or have just straight better lategame (fatigue).

Even if giants get nerfed, i suspect nzoth will still be a on a decline with razas, jades and fatigue decks around.

N'Zoth is part of two Fatigue lists, though, since Deathlord helps run through your opponent's deck.

There are two big DK Anduin decks running around right now, and one of them runs N'Zoth + value deathrattles to help fill your hand with hero power activators.

I also hit legend with Control Shaman last month, and that has N'Zoth as one of its win conditions.

Giants are fucking up Wild big time, though, and hopefully they reverse that change. But N'Zoth isn't going anywhere anytime soon.

If you want to talk about cards that are dying out, look at Jaraxxus, Piloted Shredder, and Dr. Boom. You will encounter Dr. Boom maybe 1 out of 10 matches, I haven't seen Jaraxxus in almost a month, and Piloted Shredder is extremely rare because it has zero synergy with anything outside of N'Zoth, and N'Zoth decks are usually more defensive.
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Zoggy
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(09-13-2017, 08:03 AM)
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Oh man this upcoming razakus priest meta will be absolutely the worst this game ever had.

Hold on to your butts.
G.ZZZ
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(09-13-2017, 08:11 AM)

Originally Posted by Karsticles

N'Zoth is part of two Fatigue lists, though, since Deathlord helps run through your opponent's deck.

There are two big DK Anduin decks running around right now, and one of them runs N'Zoth + value deathrattles to help fill your hand with hero power activators.

I also hit legend with Control Shaman last month, and that has N'Zoth as one of its win conditions.

Giants are fucking up Wild big time, though, and hopefully they reverse that change. But N'Zoth isn't going anywhere anytime soon.

If you want to talk about cards that are dying out, look at Jaraxxus, Piloted Shredder, and Dr. Boom. You will encounter Dr. Boom maybe 1 out of 10 matches, I haven't seen Jaraxxus in almost a month, and Piloted Shredder is extremely rare because it has zero synergy with anything outside of N'Zoth, and N'Zoth decks are usually more defensive.

Was talking about pally which has mostly switched to anyfin to counter the meta. Anyfin package is just better in the metagame right now.

Also yeah, Nzoth isn't leaving anything, i just think it will decline from being the premiere lategame wincon to being one of the lategame wincon with better fatigue lists, razakus and jades (UI) getting better.
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Originally Posted by Xanathus

How is midrange hunter the best deck against pirate warrior, the only way you win is if they either fail in their draws or you get a good golakka?

LOL just to emphasize how Pirate Warrior is extremely favored against Midrange Hunter, I just played Pirate Warrior to complete a Pirates quest and queued into a Midrange Hunter. Not only did I draw Patches in my mulligan, I also got Golakka'd on turn 2. And.... I still won.
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(09-13-2017, 10:07 AM)
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Originally Posted by Xanathus

LOL just to emphasize how Pirate Warrior is extremely favored against Midrange Hunter, I just played Pirate Warrior to complete a Pirates quest and queued into a Midrange Hunter. Not only did I draw Patches in my mulligan, I also got Golakka'd on turn 2. And.... I still won.

If the hunter had 1-2 they usually not lose

Also if the golakka dead to some war axe play.. yeah thing can be became bad

The golaka eat 2 turn worth of play is where pirate warrior cannot come back
Ladekabel
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(09-13-2017, 10:13 AM)
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Anyone got a good rogue list? Have a Dominance quest. I know that some lists run that 4 drop prince but I don't have that.
Familienoberhauptvogel
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(09-13-2017, 10:19 AM)
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Originally Posted by Ladekabel

Anyone got a good rogue list? Have a Dominance quest. I know that some lists run that 4 drop prince but I don't have that.



Valanar isn't required.
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ZeroX03
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(09-13-2017, 02:32 PM)
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Originally Posted by Zoggy

Oh man this upcoming razakus priest meta will be absolutely the worst this game ever had.

Hold on to your butts.

Game is gonna be fucking horrific for nearly three months

Might have to go Wild or Arena for a while
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(09-13-2017, 02:43 PM)
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Originally Posted by ZeroX03

Game is gonna be fucking horrific for nearly three months

Might have to go Wild or Arena for a while


Um wild is already nothing but priests and giant decks.
wiibomb
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(09-13-2017, 02:56 PM)
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Originally Posted by fertygo

Quest Druid should farm Jade Druid tho

His exodia mage prolly the one that getting banned

in paper it should, in practice I don't see it happening too much. one of those played against me yesterday against my jade druid, I still won.
manhack
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(09-13-2017, 03:27 PM)
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If anything farmed Jade Druid it would be 2nd most popular deck in the game.

oh wait...
SonicXtreme
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(09-13-2017, 03:28 PM)
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i swear, i don't see skulking geist anywhere on ladder when play other deck, but i switch to jade idol deck, everyone has one on curve. but, that's why i made hybrid naga giants crossed with jade deck, cause either way i bleed out a bunch of 8/8 cancer!

https://hsreplay.net/replay/9vANv5QBhNCVFtSxizVQdH

naga is super good with ultimate infestation, since if it draws any of the giants, they are almost guaranteed to be free. therefore u are getting half a hand full of cards, 2 5/5s guaranteed, plus free 8/8(s?). this will happen twice during the game if ur lucky and it forces tf out of removal which can let the jades start jammin. you can drop black knight or mulch for another giant for sure, but maybe the 4 mana ramp would be better since you just want to ramp , draw, and drop big things anyway.


### GIANT X JADE
# Class: Druid
# Format: Wild
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# 2x (0) Innervate
# 2x (1) Jade Idol
# 2x (2) Wild Growth
# 2x (2) Wrath
# 2x (3) Jade Blossom
# 1x (3) Mulch
# 1x (4) Fandral Staghelm
# 1x (4) Keeper of the Grove
# 2x (4) Swipe
# 2x (5) Naga Sea Witch
# 2x (5) Nourish
# 1x (5) Spreading Plague
# 1x (6) Aya Blackpaw
# 1x (6) Jade Behemoth
# 1x (6) The Black Knight
# 1x (7) Malfurion the Pestilent
# 2x (10) Ultimate Infestation
# 2x (12) Arcane Giant
# 2x (12) Mountain Giant
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AAEBAZICCNkE+AzpFa6rApS9At2+AqDNApnTAgtAX/4BxAbhB+QI3haCtAK0uwLLvAKHzgIA
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# To use this deck, copy it to your clipboard and create a new deck in Hearthstone

here's my last game, this is why naga needs to die lol BUT, if you drop it and a bunch of 8/8s, you really force your opponent and if they don't have removal, it's just win. ultimate infestation on mana 6, + free 8/8s = yes
https://hsreplay.net/replay/PN6jY3VFu2ra9pd6h7Lp2A
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Dahbomb
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Originally Posted by fertygo

If the hunter had 1-2 they usually not lose

Also if the golakka dead to some war axe play.. yeah thing can be became bad

The golaka eat 2 turn worth of play is where pirate warrior cannot come back

Nah man he is right, PW fan win even if Golakka is played. Who cares if a Pirate got killed and they played a 2 mana 3/4? If it's not a board clear or a taunt, PW is still going to keep pushing face and Hunter has no recovery mechanics.
Familienoberhauptvogel
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(09-13-2017, 04:35 PM)
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Nooooooooooooooooo my opponent conceded the turn before I could win with Valeera for my 500th win. Never Lucky.

Originally Posted by SonicXtreme

i swear, i don't see skulking geist anywhere on ladder when play other deck, but i switch to jade idol deck, everyone has one on curve. but, that's why i made hybrid naga giants crossed with jade deck, cause either way i bleed out a bunch of 8/8 cancer!

I've lost more games to Skulking Geist playing rogue than playing druid.
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Forerunner
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My opponent used Tortollan Primalist and picked Pyroblast. It hits him in the face and kills him.

This makes up for all my losses today.

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