i dont personally understand it either, but from turn 10's perspective its obvious. money. lets face it, # of cars is a HUGE feature list number to taunt and influences a lot of purchases. look at the popularity of car pack dlc. in a game with 500+ cars. crazy. wish people had the same fervor for # of tracks.
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Forza Motorsport 5: hundreds of cars (120 new), 24 players online
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i dont personally understand it either, but from turn 10's perspective its obvious. money. lets face it, # of cars is a HUGE feature list number to taunt and influences a lot of purchases. look at the popularity of car pack dlc. in a game with 500+ cars. crazy. wish people had the same fervor for # of tracks.
BruiserBear
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flyinpiranha
Member
Ha, I'm the same. Having 100's of cars is great because then people can pick "exactly" what they want but in the end I usually just choose 5-10 and then it comes down to memorizing tracks, which there needs to be A LOT.
24 is great. I'm really starting to warm up to the XB1 and Forza 5 honestly. I hope it's offline too.
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People like different cars for the most part. I remember when my house was obsessed with GT3, we all had varying cars we really liked for races. Same in Forza 4, my girl loved driving Subarus while I drove a Volvo. Limiting to just "supercars" and "classics" is redundant because few people notice the difference between 4 different supercars while a 2002 Volvo S80 and Subaru WRX are different beasts on the course. While people may not use all of them, it makes for great variety in the races you can have (Datsun B210 club!) and gives people a chance to maybe drive their own car around a track (why I used a Volvo).
Terbinator
Member
How many cars does #drivelcub have?
I keed, i keed.
Definitely will need to relook at no. of laps, it was already a problem in FM4. Please more sophistication and logic with 24 cars on one track!
- skill based matchmaking should help a little, but not completely... as we know some of the best drivers with egos that cause as many problems on track as the amateurs. Trying to get ahead at the first corner because of the need to win too badly and prove they are better than everyone else at video games.
- skill based matchmaking should help a little, but not completely... as we know some of the best drivers with egos that cause as many problems on track as the amateurs. Trying to get ahead at the first corner because of the need to win too badly and prove they are better than everyone else at video games.
The FM4 limit is more to do with the voice over than the models itself. Now they are using a generic voice for Forza Vista.
SatansReverence
Hipster Princess
More diversity = more people driving what they actually want to drive.
Sure, but I think they would still need to look at the models of cars not in FM4 Autovista if they are all going to be in the FM5 Forzavista.
There's plenty of people in the world all with varying tastes.
That's one thing I love about Forza. The variety is ridiculously good.
Sure, a 409 Impala doesn't really make for a great racing car, but that's not what everyone does. Some like to race, others like to cruise in cars that have some nostalgic value.
That's the great thing about GT and Forza. Plenty of options to enjoy..
Completely.
I prefer more variety than the same cars. To choose 150 cars would result in the most popular cars, for which I would want none of. I enjoy the oddball cars, and trying to push them to compete with everything else.
When it comes to cars and tracks, I am always for variety and choice, rather than elimination. Those have to be the staples, and everything else gets worked around that.
It's why Smash Bros. has so many characters. The same way it is awesome to see Mario fight Sonic, Snake and Megaman it is awesome to see everything from a tiny Peugeot 107 to a big Hummer race together. What turned out to be one of Gran Turismo's killer features (especially in Japan) was that people who got the game could drive and own the car they owned in real life.
These games also turn a bit into a car collection game as you try to buy, drive and tune dozens of cars. There's usually a car for every mood I'm in
Doug Heffernan
Member
Turn 10 doesn't resort to those shenanigans.
Seriously, cause fuck MS for all their shenanigans this year but T10 never let's me down.....
Agent Icebeezy
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If this is indeed true, holy shit indeed.
suddenlyissoon
Member
Glad I upgraded to the Limited Edition.
Tons of cars in FM4 are autovista models already. Probably all Forza Horizon cars are (200+).
non-autovista cars:
Computer
Member
Makes sense...now, we have open-wheel cars like
Dis gonna b good.
Damn I thought this was a real car until I saw the Forza logo.
drugstore_cowboy
Member
No official comment on the numbers yet?
Salvor.Hardin
Banned
24 cars on one track at the same time on Live? Holy shit.
Has anyone tried tweeting the Turn10 guys for confirmation? This is ridiculously amazing news.
Has anyone tried tweeting the Turn10 guys for confirmation? This is ridiculously amazing news.
AyaisMUsikWhore
Member
This sounds awesome.. Too bad I absolutely hate sim racers. Good for you Forza players though. 24 racers at once is a party.
In singleplayer?
Maybe, but I think single-player is just so different from multiplayer in Forza. A race in single-player tends to be won or lost within the first couple laps. Not many people actually try and pick a difficulty or car that makes them 'competitive' with the AI. They want to win races. So yea, the extra money might be an incentive for some, but it creates boring races and I don't want people equating somewhat longer races with boring races.
The problem is that Turn 10 thinks everybody just wants these quick 'bang bang' races online. I don't think it would really deter many people if you bumped up the average race time from 6-8 to 10-12 minutes, though. That's comparable to a match of team deathmatch in Call of Duty, so its not like people's attention spans are that short.
Because people love variety when it comes to cars.
Its also fantastic for online, when you have more than just a small handful of competitive cars to use.
10 minutes is fair, it could actually work as a filter to keep the certain 'impatient' racer types away. I hope they just offer sensible options for everyone.
I think attention span Forza vs. a FPS is a bit different dynamic. running around shooting at anything in an open field for 10 probably is a little more forgiving than getting stomped at the jump, then driving alone for 10.
flyinpiranha
Member
And you just described almost my entire online racing career in one sentence.
*tear*
TylerDurden4321
Member
Good point. But let's imagine for a second that 'Drivatars' actually work and make for an AI that knows how to make a race challenging 100% of the race without being unfair or overgenerous... THAT would make me lose the power-player(driver) attitude and try really long races.
Let's all hope that at least in the years to come Turn 10 can create AI or 'Drivatars' like that.
That's a good point.
Perhaps they should use the TruSkill ranking to better effect then. Use the matchmaking to keep beginner players together by keeping players ranked 15 or less together. Once you're consistently beating players ranked 13-15, you're bumped up into rooms with more experienced players.
I don't see that happening anytime soon, unfortunately. There's also such a range of skill levels that its hard to cater to everybody in terms of challenging AI.
And I don't mean really long races, either. I'd be quite content to see 5-6 laps rather than 3-4. It doesn't sound like much, but its a huge difference.
Well I'm still waiting for my weather and night time driving...
Well multi-class is an option.
CrunchinJelly
formerly cjelly
They've said a few hundred...no idea what that means but I'm hoping for around 300 cars at least. I like the variety and trying out different cars.
Oh hell yeah I didn't even think of that.
If T10 support the hoppers better, multi-class will be where the game is AT.
Honestly it all comes down to how T10 implement this stuff.
in my own opinion, my own view, they always drop the ball. The content is there, but they fuck up they way it's done. Every Forza I find myself wondering, why didn't they just do this if they already can do that? Please no excuses!
Dont fight it. You will feel better when you ultimately submit to the awesomeness that is xbox one and forza 5. I do.
An...intelligent person might assume it means 120 cars that were not featured in previous Forza Motorsport games. Or someone might not figure it out and somehow extrapolate a two-tier detail system which isn't suggested on any level from the words here.
LiquidMetal14
hide your water-based mammals
24p online is pleases me.
Not getting an Xbone for a bit but that won't stop me from enjoying the games or criticizing.
Not getting an Xbone for a bit but that won't stop me from enjoying the games or criticizing.
drugstore_cowboy
Member
An intelligent person won't assume and act condescending as hell either. It was a valid question.
twinturbo2
butthurt Heat fan
So I can run a simulated Indy 500 with 24 players? Yes, please.
So I can run a simulated Indy 500 with 24 players? Yes, please.
Damn, that would be amazing.
LukasTaves
Member
24 players online? Oh my... it's going to be so crazy XD