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I have zero respect for those NFL players that kneeled for the first time yesterday
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Are you... part of the LGBT community? Because I am and I agree with the OP lmao. What is that quote about how "they attacked the Blacks and I didn't speak. Then they attacked the jews and I didn't speak etc." where he goes onto saying no one will speak for him once he's targeted. It's like that. Speaking out once it's comfortable to do so literally doesn't do anything.
The Last Wizard
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Well the message is also changing, now a new way to protest brutality and inequality against black people must be made.
Puck Beaverton
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Suburban Thug
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Um, do you realize Trump was calling Kaep and anyone else who started kneeling 'SOB's that should be fired'? Lets look at what was actually said.
You're spinning this to make it seem like Trump insulted the entire league by questioning their manhood therefore the vast majority of players decided to protest. Then you're getting worked up because these players didn't take a stance as soon as you wanted them to. Can you not see how this is a toxic viewpoint you are promoting? Think at this from another angle - do you think anyone who wasn't at the forefront of the LGBTQ in the 80's is a 'coward' or selfish? Progress happens over time, not all at once. You are taking this to the extreme in my opinion and many others in this thread. Maybe re-think your stance.
BlackClouds
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Ah, I'm not down with purity tests generally. The only one I have a problem with is Ray Lewis who is a complete mess (nicest way I can say it). When you're for an issue that has such a huge uphill climb, beggars can't be choosers, imo. If players need to hide behind unity that's better than doing nothing.
PeakPointMatrix
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Why can't minds change? So what if it took the president calling them a bitch to snap out of it and take action? If it's a personal insult that gets them to take a stand, so what? This may very well start them on the path of understanding why Kaep truly did it in the first place. Thoughts and stances take time to develop and change, and you should respect when they actually do. And here you are taking a shit on it. Fucking why? How will this help us in the long run?
OP did not lie.
Most charitable thing to say is that this population has a long record of political apathy or disengagement, so its worth taking the opportunity to help these dudes move from their baby steps yesterday into real engagement. So I wouldnt call any of these dudes cowards to their face but Im not exactly impressed with their Johnny-come-lately asses.
Do the bare minimum of work, get the bare minimum of credit. But if anyones really willing to start from that bare minimum and carry on, then you oughta encourage them and help them get that momentum going in themselves.
Most charitable thing to say is that this population has a long record of political apathy or disengagement, so its worth taking the opportunity to help these dudes move from their baby steps yesterday into real engagement. So I wouldnt call any of these dudes cowards to their face but Im not exactly impressed with their Johnny-come-lately asses.
Do the bare minimum of work, get the bare minimum of credit. But if anyones really willing to start from that bare minimum and carry on, then you oughta encourage them and help them get that momentum going in themselves.
Vicetrailia
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Not agreed. Better now than never. Better that the right is so racist that they can't let it go too.
CassidyIzABeast
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The players kneeling I don't mind. Ray Lewis and specifically the owners I don't fuck with at all. You can't be out here issuing statements or standing with the players when the guy who took the brunt of the SOB comment still aint in the league because you and your GMs didn't want to deal with the "controversy". Sticking up for the NFL fraternity when you already kicked out the frat brother you're standing up for is horseshit.
Conciliator
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you're totally biting my woke aesthetic man, get your own thing
Acerac
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Seriously. Credit to those men for doing something, at least they have people talking.
Bam Bam Baklava
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Seems like the wrong time to pull this holier than thou act in my opinion.
We should abandon the people who see the light because they weren't among the first on the train? Sometimes people need time to process what's going on, or to see enough to be pushed into action, or whatever other reason.
That those that knelt for the first time yesterday got there at all, they should be celebrated and progress should continue.
Get out of here with this narrow-minded thinking.
That those that knelt for the first time yesterday got there at all, they should be celebrated and progress should continue.
Get out of here with this narrow-minded thinking.
Morrigan Stark
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Yeah no this is counter-productive and useless. Better late than never and all that.
Damn
Skellig Gra
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They arent protesting the same thing ask Kaep. This was an F U to Trump which I can get behind 100%.
So true. I was so pissed off with him for not voting because he was anti establishment or some bullshit. You went from having a sympathetic ear in the Whitehouse in the form of Hilary to a fascist who appointed Klansman to be Attorney General. Jackass. I'll add Cornell West to that faux woke stupid list of people who decided not to vote for Hilary. Hilary ain't the best but she was on paper and would have in practice been better,
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JasonUresti
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It's not good enough that you agree with me; you must agree with me for what I think are the right reasons.
Vicetrailia
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I think the end of the message goes...then they came for me, and no one else was there to speak for me. Something like that. In the future it is something to think about.
Razgriz-Specter
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Kneeling has nothing to do with this besides a single player that used it to deliver his message.
Said player and the form his message took eventually got pushed out of the league.
That was it, his message came and went.
Yesterday was entirely because Trump decided to shit on a guy who was down and had a potential career lost because he exercised his rights and protested in literally the most peaceful and non-aggressive way people always talk about.
Not to mention when he did it Trump wasn't even elected yet and white supremacists weren't remotely as bold as they have been in the last few months.
Also literally ripping the country apart as he now is.
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