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Trump reverses Obama policy banning sale of bottled H2O in Nat Parks

DrForester

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https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...-lobby-that-fought-it/?utm_term=.f4ae93b719de

The Trump administration has ended a six-year-old ban on selling bottled water at some national parks that was aimed at easing plastic pollution and the huge amount of waste being recycled.

In a statement that closely tracked the arguments of a campaign by the International Bottled Water Association (IBWA) in opposition to the ban, the National Park Service said the 2011 action under the Obama administration “removed the healthiest beverage choice at a variety of parks while still allowing sales of bottled sweetened drinks.”

The move follows a review of the policy “in close consultation with Department of Interior leadership,” according to the statement Wednesday. The department declined to elaborate.

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The decision came three weeks after the Senate confirmation of David Bernhardt as deputy interior secretary. Bernhardt is a former lobbyist with the law firm Brownstein Hyatt Farber Schreck, which has represented one of the largest water bottlers in the United States, Nestlé Waters. Nestlé distributes the Deer Park brand.

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Grand Canyon National Park estimated several years ago that water bottles constituted 30 percent of the 900 tons of garbage it recycled. Zion National Park estimated that its sale of reusable bottles that visitors took home skyrocketed by 78 percent once it banned bottled-water sales.
 
If true, the rule was idiotic if it allowed bottled soda sales but not water.

Should have banned soda too!!!!!!!!!

Edited because good god
 

Aurongel

Member
The name calling is getting a bit puerile.

EDIT: So wait, the article makes it sound like bottled water was specifically banned but not soda? While it was a step in the right direction it seems weird that they didn't originally try and take a more comprehensive approach.
 

DrForester

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The name calling is getting a bit puerile.

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The name calling is getting a bit puerile.

EDIT: So wait, the article makes it sound like bottled water was specifically banned but not soda? While it was a step in the right direction it seems weird that they didn't originally try and take a more comprehensive approach.
Do heinous shit, get made fun of. /shrug
 

g11

Member
Why? Water is available at any tap or water fountain, Coke is not.

Because Coke comes in plastic bottles, i.e. if the purpose was to prevent pollution, all plastic bottles should be removed/banned. Just take a frigging Nalgene, people.
 
So wait, the article makes it sound like bottled water was specifically banned but not soda? While it was a step in the right direction it seems weird that they didn't originally try and take a more comprehensive approach.

While strange I can only imagine the pushback from two powerful food lobbies (Nestle and Coca Cola) instead of just one pressuring the lawmakers into compromising.

Single use plastic bottles are a goddamn scourge on the planet and I would have been happy to continue with a rule that only solves 30% of a problem rather than give up because we can't make perfect laws.
 

Loudninja

Member
While strange I can only imagine the pushback from two powerful food lobbies (Nestle and Coca Cola) instead of just one pressuring the lawmakers into compromising.

Single use plastic bottles are a goddamn scourge on the planet and I would have been happy to continue with a rule that only solves 30% of a problem rather than give up because we can't make perfect laws.
Right dont know why some people think this is all or nothing.
 
Right dont know why some people think this is all or nothing.

I used to think that way myself, but ultimately the compromise produced measurably positive effects, now being completely wiped out so hurray, now we have nothing but at least we don't have imperfect laws so that's that, hurray!
 

NervousXtian

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So the proper solution is to remove the ban for water, and not also add coke to the list?

The bottled water was the problem, not the soda.

Hence the ban on them.

If it was 30% of the waste being soda then I agree ban them both.. but it wasn't.
 

mjc

Member
The name calling is getting a bit puerile.

EDIT: So wait, the article makes it sound like bottled water was specifically banned but not soda? While it was a step in the right direction it seems weird that they didn't originally try and take a more comprehensive approach.

Calling a spade a spade, is what it is.

But this is silly. I don't see the upside on the reversal.
 

Lombax

Banned
If true, the rule was idiotic if it allowed bottled soda sales but not water.

No lies detected. Years ago the town of Concord, MA passed an idiotic law banning the sale of bottled water to I guess cut down on pollution? All this ended up doing is making it so you could only buy soda and other shit beverages....in plastic bottles!
 

DodgerSan

Member
From the title of this, and many similar threads, I can only presume that this clause from the GAF terms of service:

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is redundant these days? (I am NOT calling for OP ban by the way).

To be clear, I am far from pro-Trump - I'm not even American. But the level of infantile name calling is a far FAR cry from what GAF used to be. Surely we are intelligent enough to express ourselves sufficiently without this level of vulgarity?

Note although I am addressing the OP, it is very much the prevailing level of discussion here these days.
 

Regiruler

Member
Banning water bottles without banning other bottled beverages is fine because it's a lot easier to find an alternative water source.
 

Nerdkiller

Membeur
No policy, just undo whatever Obama did.
Ohhh, this is policy all right.

The decision came three weeks after the Senate confirmation of David Bernhardt as deputy interior secretary. Bernhardt is a former lobbyist with the law firm Brownstein Hyatt Farber Schreck, which has represented one of the largest water bottlers in the United States, Nestlé Waters. Nestlé distributes the Deer Park brand.
So yeah, this has less to do with Obama and more to do with crony conflicts of interest...though it was still an Obama order rescinded, so Oompa would have been happy to oblige either way.

Also, did ya really need to add in (Trump) to the title after the fact?
 

PopeReal

Member
From the title of this, and many similar threads, I can only presume that this clause from the GAF terms of service:



is redundant these days? (I am NOT calling for OP ban by the way).

To be clear, I am far from pro-Trump - I'm not even American. But the level of infantile name calling is a far FAR cry from what GAF used to be. Surely we are intelligent enough to express ourselves sufficiently without this level of vulgarity?

Note although I am addressing the OP, it is very much the prevailing level of discussion here these days.

Just message a mod.
 

watership

Member
Guys.. it's SALES at the park. You can still bring your own bottle water. The problem was that bottle waterbottles.. not coke or other drinks.. were causing a litter problem. The thing that makes this dirty, is that is was "we are the worst company ever" Nestlé behind it.
 

Cheerilee

Member
why was Coke allowed but not plastic water bottles?

The ranger station used to (still does) have a free drinking fountain. They also sell coca cola. Cheap people drink from the fountain, or fill a reusable bottle from the fountain.

The ranger station figured out that they can make more money by selling bottled water, and discouraging the use of the fountain.

Park is now littered with discarded water bottles.

Obama bans the sale of bottled water at parks. Ranger stations see a boost in the sales of reusable souvenir bottles, which are then filled with water from the free fountain. No more water bottles getting littered in the park. Everybody wins, except Nestle, who literally charges absurd money for tap water.

Trump hates Obama, so fuck that.
 
While Trump is certainly a cunt, I don't see how this particular issues warrants such vehemence. National parks are often in remote places and visitors should have multiple options for accessing potable drinking water. Perhaps they should raise the fines for littering?
 
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