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PoliGAF 2017 |OT1| From Russia with Love

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Plinko

Wildcard berths that can't beat teams without a winning record should have homefield advantage
So a person who commited cold blooded calculated murder is simply not a perfect candidate? Interesting, I never heard murder being described as just a minor and inconvenient character flaw which can be overlooked with ease.

Right, it's extremely inconsistent to think abortion is murder and go along with people who believe in it. It's one thing to think it's immoral, but to specifically use the word murder is not compatible with someone going along with it.

Eh, not exactly. It isn't black and white. There is a law in place that has been analyzed by the Supreme Court that legalizes abortion. Therefore, that puts the decision for a Christian to have an abortion between themselves and God. I don't think it is contradictory at all in that scenario.
 

Soroc

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3rd day in a row that Spicer completely disregards the civilian loss of life in the Yemen Raid. He only talks about the military life that was lost (RIP and def deserves respect) but I'd like the media to ask if future american life was worth the loss of 6 non american children
 

smokeymicpot

Beat EviLore at pool.
LOL, Spicer was way too ready for that prayer breakfast question.

He been practicing it all morning.

Not sure how trusted this site is.

Foreign policy insider: ‘No readout of Trump-Putin call because White House turned off recording'
http://www.rawstory.com/2017/02/for...all-because-white-house-turned-off-recording/


Ian Berman, vice president of the conservative American Foreign Policy Council think tank, reported that the White House turned off its recording equipment during President Donald Trump's call with Russian President Vladimir Putin.

Following the call with Putin on Saturday, the Kremlin published a readout of the hour-long conversation that suggested the Russian president was pleased with Trump's tone.

”During the conversation, both sides expressed their readiness to make active joint efforts to stabilise and develop Russia-US cooperation on a constructive, equitable and mutually beneficial basis," the Kremlin statement said.
 
3rd day in a row that Spicer completely disregards the civilian loss of life in the Yemen Raid. He only talks about the military life that was lost (RIP and def deserves respect) but I'd like the media to ask if future american life was worth the loss of 6 non american children
That was a fortified al Qaeda compound in a country undergoing civil war. If there are kids in there then honestly that is al Qaeda's fault.

That raid wasn't just about (or even isn't mostly about) American lives. Every time I hear about a market bombing in Yemen that kills 30+ innocent people or a funeral bombing my heart breaks wide open and my humanity comes spilling out in irrational empathy. The Middle East is in violent upheaval that may last decades (just like the West's Reformation did) if there is no external action. Stability is not just in the West's interest but also in humankind's interest. Just because Islamic terrorism has become the scapegoat for American xenophobia does not mean you should forget that there is violent wahabbist Sunni Islam sowing chaos and apocalyptic destruction all for the prospect of erecting an Islamofascist Arab nation. And in that struggle there is an obvious "right" side.
 
If I hear "America wasn't great when Obama was president" one more time...

It's kind of an unspoken rule to not discuss politics at dinner, and we try to get off the topic as fast as possible if it comes up, but those moments when it does...ugh

You definitely can't blame Obama for decades of bad policy before he was in charge and correspondingly poor outcomes. And now, we have Donald Trump...who has to deliver on the rhetoric of making the country great again otherwise America is in serious trouble.
 
Political Polls ‏@Politics_Polls 10m10 minutes ago
Trump Job Approval:
Approve 47%
Disapprove 49%
.
Trump Favorable Rating:
Favorable 45%
Unfavorable 52%

Trump's executive order on immigration:
Support 47%
Oppose 49%

Less than 2 weeks into Donald Trump's tenure as President, 40% of voters already want to impeach him. That's up from 35% of voters who wanted to impeach him a week ago. Only 48% of voters say that they would be opposed to Trump's impeachment.

Beyond a significant percentage of voters already thinking that Trump should be removed from office, it hasn't taken long for voters to miss the good old days of Barack Obama...52% say they'd rather Obama was President, to only 43% who are glad Trump is.

Why so much unhappiness with Trump? Voters think basically everything he's doing is wrong:

-Overall voters are pretty evenly split on Trump's executive order on immigration from last week, with 47% supporting it to 49% who are opposed. But when you get beyond the overall package, the pieces of the executive order become more clearly unpopular. 52% of voters think that the order was intended to be a Muslim ban, to only 41% who don't think that was the intent. And the idea of a Muslim ban is extremely unpopular with the American people- only 26% are in favor of it, to 65% who are against it. When it comes to barring people from certain countries from entering the United States, even when those people have already secured a Visa, just 39% of voters are supportive to 53% who are against it. And just 43% of voters support the United States indefinitely suspending accepting Syrian refugees, with 48% opposed to that. Finally voters see a basic competence issue with Trump's handling of the executive order- only 39% of voters think it was well executed, to 55% who believe it was poorly executed.

-It hasn't taken long for voters to develop a pretty dim view of Trump advisor Steve Bannon, and become wary of the extent to which he's being given power within the administration. Only 19% of voters see Bannon favorably, to 40% who have a negative opinion of him. Only 34% of voters approve of his being given a seat on the principals committee of the National Security Council, to 44% who are opposed to that. What's particularly telling is that only 19% of voters think Bannon belongs in that seat on the National Security Council more than the Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff and the Director of National Intelligence, to 59% who believe those folks are more deserving of that place at the table. Even Trump voters think he's gone too far on that front- by a 40/35 margin they think the more traditional members should have that position rather than Bannon.

http://www.publicpolicypolling.com/main/2017/02/after-2-weeks-voters-yearn-for-obama.html
 
Another 10% is going to need to be knocked off that Approval rating. There is 30% that will support him no matter what he does and are mindless drones, but the rest can turn against him.
 
Another 10% is going to need to be knocked off that Approval rating. There is 30% that will support him no matter what he does and are mindless drones, but the rest can turn against him.
I am confident that a crisis will happen between now and fall 2018, and that they will bungle it. Trump/Bannon are defining themselves as incompetent right out of the gate.
 
I am confident that a crisis will happen between now and fall 2018, and that they will bungle it. Trump/Bannon are defining themselves as incompetent right out of the gate.

It's going to be a war, probably in Iran, and a lot of people are probably going to die. Stuff is going to get worse before it gets better. If it gets better.
 

Soroc

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That was a fortified al Qaeda compound in a country undergoing civil war. If there are kids in there then honestly that is al Qaeda's fault.

That raid wasn't just about (or even isn't mostly about) American lives. Every time I hear about a market bombing in Yemen that kills 30+ innocent people or a funeral bombing my heart breaks wide open and my humanity comes spilling out in irrational empathy. The Middle East is in violent upheaval that may last decades (just like the West's Reformation did) if there is no external action. Stability is not just in the West's interest but also in humankind's interest. Just because Islamic terrorism has become the scapegoat for American xenophobia does not mean you should forget that there is violent wahabbist Sunni Islam sowing chaos and apocalyptic destruction all for the prospect of erecting an Islamofascist Arab nation. And in that struggle there is an obvious "right" side.

Was just looking for acknowledgment and empathy for the "other" loss of life, not sure why that should be hard to understand, he never once mentioned it, just America First casualties. That's all I'm getting at here, no bigger agenda, there was other life lost, childrens lives and not a single mention of that tragedy.
 
Was just looking for acknowledgment and empathy for the "other" loss of life, not sure why that should be hard to understand, he never once mentioned it, just America First casualties. That's all I'm getting at here, no bigger agenda, there was other life lost, childrens lives and not a single mention of that tragedy.
When has any president ever apologized for collateral damage?
 

Davide

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Excuse me but this a completely ridiculous attitude. Either you truly believe abortion is equivalent to murder and will not vote for Democrats (or any person who facilitates murder) or your abortion is murder belief is hyperbole. Would you vote for a politician with Democratic positions even if he went out on the street, shot multiple people and faced no legal consequences? If you still vote for that Democrat, you would be intellectually consistent, but a horrible person I am sorry to say.

The Democrats allow people to make their own decisions.

The Republicans, on the other hand, would wreck the environment which could eventually mean the death of all the unborn and nuclear war seems a lot more likely under Trump as well as a number of other things. If you take pro-life meaning as beyond abortion, the GOP are not pro-life.

I also look at the statistics and saw abortions were down under Clinton and Obama, we have to look at the root causes of abortion which are influenced by economy and health care. The Democrats are the better of the two. And, this.

Uh, no.

No candidate is perfect. As a Christian, I choose the candidate that I think best represents Christian beliefs. Far and away recently, that has been democrats. Taking care of the poor, working hard for lower- and middle-class, not letting rich take advantage of the lower classes, weloming refugees, helping those abroad, maintaining friendly relationships, etc., etc.
 

Soroc

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When has any president ever apologized for collateral damage?

Didn't ask for an apology, its more the acknowledgement and regret for the loss of innocent life.

I may have missed it if this administration did do it (outside of rattling off a death toll number), its hard to keep up with everything but something as simple as saying "regret the loss of death of the children" or something that makes us a bit more humane, there is no doubt that with any of these raids there is usually a benevolent reason we do them, but I would like us to do it without losing our humanity at the same time. Sure it might just be lip service but I still would rather have the lip service then ignoring the deaths overall.

http://thefreethoughtproject.com/watch-barack-obama-admitted-killing-innocent-civilians-hellish-drone-program/

This isn't really the same thing but it was an apology from a President

I don't want to make this a huge thing, was just stating an observation of something I had noticed over the last couple days.
 

smokeymicpot

Beat EviLore at pool.
Well here we go more Breitbart staff coming into the White House.

http://www.politico.com/story/2017/02/trump-aides-distrust-confusion-leaks-234550

In the White House itself, one top aide tried to take the office slated for another aide, Steve Bannon is looking to hire his own PR guru, and the details of Trump’s calls with foreign leaders, typically closely held, are suddenly out in the open.

Steve Bannon — who has a loyal cadre of aides and allies, like Stephen Miller, the White House top policy adviser — has been expanding his power base in the White House. Two sources said Bannon is looking to bring in his own PR adviser, Alexandra Preate, into the White House. Preate has previously served as both Bannon’s spokeswoman and a spokeswoman for Breitbart News. He’s also hired Breitbart immigration writer Julia Hahn and former Breitbart national security editor Seb Gorka, among others, bringing them into policy roles.

Other Trump staffers have been chafing at what they view as Miller and Bannon’s secretive behavior, including their tendency to keep information from others in the White House, like on their executive orders.
 

chadskin

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Ogodei

Member
Bannon already planning for 2018.

https://www.buzzfeed.com/tarinipart...looking-at-the?utm_term=.fuqA45r5j#.pfWvW7w7N

“The days of [Senate Majority Leader Mitch] McConnell picking Republican nominees in Senate races are over,” Bannon has told the donors, according to sources familiar with the meetings. He also mentioned the US Chamber of Commerce as declining in influence, according to one of those sources.

Good. If they run actual Nazis against some of the more vulnerable Dems, it'll be a field of Todd Akins out there.
 

JP_

Banned
Bannon/Trump care little about converting the Disapprove column -- their goal is to further radicalize the people in the Approve column.
 
For what it's worth, Trump has been polling way worse on Gallup than other firms.

Likewise, his executive orders have been polling better with other pollsters. You're always best of looking at aggregates rather than a single poll, though I think you'd be pretty justified in ignoring Rasmussen.
 
Bannon/Trump care little about converting the Disapprove column -- their goal is to further radicalize the people in the Approve column.

Yeah, it's a very Hastert-rule sort of thing, controlling the majority of the 'majority.'

Holding the republican party hostage.
 

Gruco

Banned
As I recall, PoliGaf has a good North Carolina contingent, right?

Supposedly (Twitter rumor) Thom Tillis is undecided on DeVos and taking calls.
 
Slow news day?

It's 11 PST and the USA hasn't antagonized a foreign country already.

What is Trump doing?

Well, it looks like another Twitter tantrum against the EU is imminent:

The European parliament’s main political parties are making an unprecedented attempt to block Donald Trump’s likely choice as ambassador to the European Union from EU buildings, describing him as hostile and malevolent.

In a startling move that threatens a major diplomatic row, the leaders of the conservative, socialist and liberal groups in Brussels have written to the European commission and the European council, whose members represent the 28 EU states, to reject the appointment of Ted Malloch.


Malloch, a businessman who stridently supported Brexit ahead of the vote in June, is said to have been interviewed for the post by Trump.

When recently asked by the BBC why he was interested in moving to Brussels, Malloch replied: “I had in a previous career a diplomatic post where I helped bring down the Soviet Union. So maybe there’s another union that needs a little taming.”

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2017/feb/02/european-union-trump-ambassador-ted-malloch-parliament

Good job, EU. Oh, and ban(non) me if old.
 
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